Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

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Yes we have. If nothing else, you have to admit our view of Church comes from scriptures, whether you agree with the interpretation or not.
If you’ve been reading my comments, I agree with most of what you believe about the church Jesus established. I don’t agree that that church is the CC exclusively. So if you have concluded much (if not most) of what I believe is found in the Bible, then you may be correct that we’ve made progress.
 
This is an interesting take on the situation.

Is it wrong for us to remind you that you broke away from us after 1500 years? You make it seem as though it is.

Is it wrong to point to historical Christian orthodoxy that has originated from the Catholic Church? YOu make it seem as though it is.

Should we not remind you that Christ Himself established the Catholic Church as the pillar and foundation of truth? You make it seem as though we should not.

Should we not remind you that it is your beliefs that deviate from the beliefs that have been held for 2,000 years? You make it seem as though we should not.

Is it wrong to point out how your protestant denominations can not agree on the same issues? You seem to feel it is wrong to do so.

Please tell me, why is it that protestants are the ones that broke away and yet it is the Catholic Church that must defend itself? Why do you approach the issue as though it is us that are disagreeing with you when in fact it is you that are disagreeing with the historical teachings?
wow, we need myth busters! God established many churches all over the known world. 7
are named in revelation none of them were in Rome. At no time did God give authority of one church over all the others. When Rome insisted that other churches should yeild to her authority the eastern church resisted causing the great schism 1/2 of Christendom NEVER accepted roman leadership. thats 1000 years of the 2000 years you thought it was all one happy family NOT! lets not forget that in one of Romes crusades. the crusaders sacked Constantinople a Christian city. leaving it in such a weakened state that the muslims would later conquer it and it became Istanbul. It would be interesting to look for what side of that schism those seven original churches are on.
Now is it really surprising that with the invention of the Gutenberg press, the crusades and the spanish inquasition that some people might have had trouble rectifing the Jesus of the Bible with Roman Church leadership??? It should also be pointed out that many people tried to get the church to reform from within and were burned at the steak for their efforts.
So where does that leave us now? The Roman church is no longer run by evil people o they no longer burn people or Bibles so lets open those unburned Bibles and clean up some of the other Roman errors.
 
It really does no good to explain the Catholic position to people who just twist what you say for the sake of argument. That’s not an honest discussion.

Catholic teachings come from scriptures, even if you don’t agree with the interpretation.
 
wow, we need myth busters! God established many churches all over the known world. 7
are named in revelation none of them were in Rome. At no time did God give authority of one church over all the others. When Rome insisted that other churches should yeild to her authority the eastern church resisted causing the great schism 1/2 of Christendom NEVER accepted roman leadership. thats 1000 years of the 2000 years you thought it was all one happy family NOT! lets not forget that in one of Romes crusades. the crusaders sacked Constantinople a Christian city. leaving it in such a weakened state that the muslims would later conquer it and it became Istanbul. It would be interesting to look for what side of that schism those seven original churches are on.
Now is it really surprising that with the invention of the Gutenberg press, the crusades and the spanish inquasition that some people might have had trouble rectifing the Jesus of the Bible with Roman Church leadership??? It should also be pointed out that many people tried to get the church to reform from within and were burned at the steak for their efforts.
So where does that leave us now? The Roman church is no longer run by evil people o they no longer burn people or Bibles so lets open those unburned Bibles and clean up some of the other Roman errors.
See that’s not an honest tactic, I’m sorry to say. We’ve already explained, numerous times, there were seven Churches, in seven locations. We believe they were all the same Church. I’ve already produced scriptures where Paul wrote the Hebrews saluting them from the brethren in Italy, but no, no Churches in Rome. 🤷 What about all the different Churches Paul wrote too? Instructing each of them the same. Paul wrote we should be of the same mind and judgment and he warned about those who would create dissensions…

Now comes the ‘laundry list’ of objections against the Catholic Church. Always used to overpower an argument, because no one can respond to a ‘list’.

Of course Protestant Churches are totally free of sinful people. :rolleyes:
 
Hi Jon,

I will send you via PM and you can see for yourself. I will say that from a common sense perspective; it should not be surprising and here is why. I’m sure people will disagree, but the stats show otherwise and Barnum Research Group is a very well respected group in the are of religious trends and research across the world. One group believes the Holy Spirit works in each individual to reach the truth of Scripture, whereas the other believes the Holy Spirit works through a small group and is the authority to interpret Scripture; therefore which group is more likely to try to discover the truth for themselves?
I bought into the whole Catholics dont read the Bible line until I was on home school field trip withother home school families. We played a game of Bible trivia a Catholic dad and his two children against me and my two daughters.:blushing:: they creamed us. I would like a rematch!
 
I guess you’re not above ‘jabs’. I’m glad you have shown you have a sense of humor.
I can only take so much of the ‘self righteous’ finger pointing. When you have a 2000 year old Church, let’s take a look at it’s history and see how many sinful people there are in it’s history. Christ promised even the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church and sinful men are much less than the gates of hell.
 
Common huh? Have you ever read any of the books about how to witness to Catholics? Have you ever come across protestant Sunday School classes on witnessing and had Catholics included as a group to witness to? Have you ever seen the Jack Chick tracts? Have you ever read John MAcArthur on the Catholic Church? Did you click on the link in this thread?

It is clear that much of protestantism sees Catholics as being in need of conversion. It is clear that it is protestants that are hostile towards Catholic teachings. Please don’t attempt to minimize or deny this, it only makes you less trustworthy in my eyes.

I can assure you that I have never been to a Catholic Church that taught us how to witness to protestants. I have never seen anti protestant websites that were run by Catholics. I have yet to find outwardly hostile Catholic books that attempt to convert protestants.
thats because it takes a while to live down iron maidens and burning people at the steak!
 
thats because it takes a while to live down iron maidens and burning people at the steak!
hmmmm steak. I love steak. Stakes are another story though…

You see, we acknowledge the acts of sinful people.

Protestant Churches are no more than 500 years old, many much younger than that. They are still popping up with new denominations all the time. Even as young as the Protestant Churches are, we could produce a list of sinful people who’ve led Churches. There’s not going to be a perfect people in any Church…
 
The Barna Research Group is an evangelical leaning research organization. George Barna works closely with the large seeker oriented evangelical churches in the development of meaningful outreach programs. I have seen George Barna several times at conventions at Willow Creek and Saddleback. He is certainly not unbiased n his theological views.
Yeah Im the only one who is unbiased in my theological views:rolleyes:,
 
I can only take so much of the ‘self righteous’ finger pointing. When you have a 2000 year old Church, let’s take a look at it’s history and see how many sinful people there are in it’s history. Christ promised even the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church and sinful men are much less than the gates of hell.
Oh, so Jesus can’t protect His church so you have to give sarcasm to help protect it? I guess I get tired of curtain statements too.
 
Which Holy Spirit do you mean, Timothy?

Is it the one that tells the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?

Is it the one that tells the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tells the Baptists it is unbiblical?

Is it the one that tells the Seventh Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tells the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?

Is it the one that tells the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tells the Baptists she had other children?

How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, ‘once saved always saved’, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?

How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?

How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD??
Source: here
I wish that was a difficult question to answer, but it is not. It is the one that teaches and guides the individual Christian pertaining to the things of God. The Holy Spirit is the only interpreter of Scripture; those who say it is of men, void what the Scripture teaches. "Not everyone talkin’ bout’ heaven is goin’; as the ole negro spiritual hymn said and use to be sung and maybe still is somewhere. By the way, Paul tells us it is a symbol 🙂 1 Co 11 and Hebrews 7,8, & 9 tells the differences between the Old Covenants and the One Way New Covenant, which removes any notion of a “priesthood”; except that of all individual Christians. If anyone are unable to discern the things of God, those things that are of God, then perhaps these are the people with a from of Godliness, but their hearts are far from Him; as He put it.
 
See that’s not an honest tactic, I’m sorry to say. We’ve already explained, numerous times, there were seven Churches, in seven locations. We believe they were all the same Church. I’ve already produced scriptures where Paul wrote the Hebrews saluting them from the brethren in Italy, but no, no Churches in Rome. 🤷 What about all the different Churches Paul wrote too? Instructing each of them the same. Paul wrote we should be of the same mind and judgment and he warned about those who would create dissensions…

Now comes the ‘laundry list’ of objections against the Catholic Church. Always used to overpower an argument, because no one can respond to a ‘list’.

Of course Protestant Churches are totally free of sinful people. :rolleyes:
You do not know they were all CC. You believe cause someone told you. If that was the case why doesn’t the Scriptures say Catholic Church? And there is no church that there aren’t sinners. We are all sinnners saved by grace.
 
Oh, so Jesus can’t protect His church so you have to give sarcasm to help protect it? I guess I get tired of curtain statements too.
Read through the thread and tell me if it’s been an honest discussion in your opinion? There are many threads on these forums and many issues being discussed. It gets disgusting to see some Protestants come here and make arguments simply to ‘bash’ Catholicism. We are Christians. Why do other Christians feel the necessity to come here to evangelize? There are atheists forums, Muslim forums, etc. etc.
 
Did Jesus have brothers?
  1. Jesus had a “brother” named James.
"Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?”(Matthew 13:55)
  1. James, the Lord’s “brother”, is an apostle.
“Then, after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. (Galatians 1:18-19)
  1. There are two apostles named James.
“When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot, Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.”(Luke 6:13-16)
  1. One James (the brother of John) is not the uterine brother of Jesus; his father is Zebedee.
“James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder)” (Mark 3:17)
  1. The other apostle named James is not the uterine brother of Jesus; his father is Alpheus.
“And when it was day, he called his disciples, and chose from them twelve, whom he called apostles: Simon, whom he named Peter and Andrew his brother, and James and John and Philip and Bartholomew, and Matthew and James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot, and Judas the son of James and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.” (Luke 6:13-16)
  1. Therefore, neither apostle named James was a uterine brother of Jesus.
  2. The man named Joseph (or Joses) is not the uterine brother of Jesus; his mother is Mary and his brother is James. Therefore, this Mary is the wife of Alphaeus.
“Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons.” (Matthew 27:55-56)
  1. Judas is not a uterine brother of Jesus because he is the son of James.
“When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James.” (Acts 1:13)
  1. While Matthew 15:35 declares James, Joseph and Judas to be the “brothers” of Jesus, it has been demonstrated from scripture that they are NOT uterine brothers of the Lord. From this, it is apparent that scripture must be using the term “brothers” to mean relatives other than sons of Mary.
    Source: Randy Carson, CAF
    Original Post.
That is an old and dead argument except in a few circles, very few. I love the source of the information as well. 👍

Not everyone is able to accept the plain writing of Scripture.
 
You do not know they were all CC. You believe cause someone told you. If that was the case why doesn’t the Scriptures say Catholic Church? And there is no church that there aren’t sinners. We are all sinnners saved by grace.
I believe Paul wrote all those Churches. I believe the Apostles started all those Churches. I believe, because the Bible tells us that.

You realize the term Catholic Church was used prior to the New Testament coming together? St. Ignatius, disciple to St. John, and believed to have been appointed by St. Peter wrote…

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution(55) of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(56) Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.

That was written around 110 AD, about the same time as St. John wrote ‘Revelations’.

Where does the word come from? Scriptures…

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Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning “universal”.**
 
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