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Prodigal_Son1
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They do not contradict the Bible. They contradict YOUR interpretation of scriptures is all.
Any teaching of the Catholic Church comes from scriptures, whether you agree with the interpretation or not.
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veritas4Christ
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Mythbusters are indeed required. So much here, but one or two points. The poster says “lest not forget” when the poster forgets/ignores/is ignorant of the persecution of the Latin Catholics in Constantinople prior to. The poster ignores that the Greeks were selling Latin Catholics as slaves to the muslims. The poster ignores that the Greeks sold the Crusaders out to Saladin. The poster ignores that this is a complex historical period of which the poster has cherry picked what suits the poster’s personal bigotry.
The poster ignores that Luther was a depressive who had prophet delusions and who was explicitly responsible for the death of 130,000 Catholics over 1525/26 in the peasants revolt; the revolt spurred by Luther’s vile tracts being read to them; the revolt where Luther said “well, guys, it was just my opinion, didn’t think you’d do it, but hey good on you anyway”. And, then of course, we have the king with syphillus with had an overwhelming need to kill his wives…
There is so much here that this poster ignores and seems to rely on the Catholic’s desire to speak with charity to those in disagreement in order to insult and inflame.
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Dokimas
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Thank you for your opinion.
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Dokimas
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Did you miss my question?
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PRmerger
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Fair enough, Timothy. I’ll agree that this is an old argument.That is an old and dead argument except in a few circles, very few. I love the source of the information as well.
Not everyone is able to accept the plain writing of Scripture.
How do you put it to rest? What can you provide that refutes this “old argument”?
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No, I didn’t miss it. I cannot make anyone become Catholic. That’s up to the Holy Spirit. We are all where He wants us to be. That is, as long as we truly seek God and discern His will against other’s and our own will.
My purpose for joining in these discussions, is to show Catholic beliefs come from scriptures, whether one agrees with our interpretation or not. So far, I haven’t seen anyone say, “yes, I can see how it comes from scripture, even though I don’t agree with the interpretation”, which is suspect in my mind…
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Not all come from scriptures.
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MyRdmrLvs
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it has taken me several hours to get through this thread so I dont blame you for not wanting to look for it Im not keen on looking for it either, perhaps the one who made the post could repeat the explanation for the different degrees of worship. It seemed like an official statement of some kind.that book was written by an intelligent Franciscan Capuchin Priest and is of great value to this discussion.
i will admit i only read the first few pages of this thread. could you please show me what Catholic or Orthodox member claims it’s ok “to worship Mary, so long as you don’t worship Mary” as i think you misunderstood what was trying to be communicated. surely you know the CC and OC do not worship her. love and worship are not the same thing.
i see you just joined, (welcome btw) but i don’t know how much you have read already on CAF. hopefully you’ll get some time to read through some of the threads on sola scriptura and how our Holy Bible came to be.
peace and merry Christmas.
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Dokimas
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Have you admitted that any of our comments can be seen in Scripture but you can’t embrase if what you’re own reasons?
BTW, I’ve admitted that there are reasons to believe some of what you believe. Maybe you missed those posts. I understand because there are SOOOOOOOOOO many posts it’s easy to miss many posts.
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Dear Dokimas, posts like the above are why you’re my friend! :hug1:
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PRmerger
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Um…say what?I wish that was a difficult question to answer, but it is not. It is the one that teaches and guides the individual Christian pertaining to the things of God. The Holy Spirit is the only interpreter of Scripture; those who say it is of men, void what the Scripture teaches. "Not everyone talkin’ bout’ heaven is goin’; as the ole negro spiritual hymn said and use to be sung and maybe still is somewhere. By the way, Paul tells us it is a symbol
Please answer the questions without nonsequitors.
How can said Holy Spirit lead all these different Christians into contradictory doctrines?
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Dokimas
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You have a husband and I have a wife. A hug is a nice jesture but please keep your distance.
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Prodigal_Son1
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What do you want to discuss? And, by the way, this thread is derailed enough, start another thread and private message me…I’ll be there.
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PRmerger
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In MY church we hug our brothers in Christ.You have a husband and I have a wife. A hug is a nice jesture but please keep your distance.
I don’t think I’d like a church in which a polite handshake and a courtesy smile were greetings of love.
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The Holy Spirit led me to the Catholic Church. Would I like there to be only one Church? Yes, without a doubt. St. Paul tells us to be of the same mind and judgement. Am I concerned for you? Yes, you and the whole world.
The reality of it is, with thousands of denominations, I have my doubts if I’ll see it. Is it that important? I’m not too sure. There is a ‘piece’ of scriptures I’ve been reflecting on lately.
Mar 9:38 (9:37) John answered him, saying: Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, who followeth not us: and we forbade him.
Mar 9:39 (9:38) But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name and can soon speak ill of me.
Mar 9:40 (9:39) For he that is not against you is for you.
Now, let me explain it abit further, in light of our heated discussion on this thread. I feel we all share our belief and love of the Lord, but it’s hard to feel some are for us, when they come here and attack our beliefs, that no one admits has any impact on another’s salvation.
That piece of scripture gives me hope that people realize we are for each other.
I’ve told you in this thread, I converted to the Catholic Church. That would not have been possible without common beliefs, just as I believe a Catholic cannot leave the Catholic Church for a Protestant Church without the common beliefs. Are the common beliefs enough to make us be of the same mind and judgment? I believe it’s possible, but we have to respect each other’s beliefs that have no impact on one’s salvation.
What do I believe are common beliefs?
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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Dokimas
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But, but, but I have a nice handshake and smile.In MY church we hug our brothers in Christ.
I don’t think I’d like a church in which a polite handshake and a courtesy smile were greetings of love.
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