The Bible is their scripture too. I don’t understand. They believe that the inspired men who transcribed the bible weren’t Catholic but Christian. Catholics believe they were Catholics. Both denominations use the Bible as a basis for their religion. It is both their Bible. I find it interesting that both sides can use scripture to prove both points.
You know as well as I that Catholic is not a denomination. Catholics do not use the Bible as a basis for their religion. Catholics wrote the Bible and are the only ones who can rightly divide the word of truth. Non-Catholics may use our Bible but they are foolish indeed to try to use our Bible to attack the Church. It cannot work. It is the height of folly to even try. “The Gates of Hell cannot withstand the onslaught of the Church.” Hence the enemy of the Church will be defeated.
Before Luther, there was no distinction between “Christian” and “Catholic” and there were no “denominations”. It was only when Protestants decided that they were not “Catholic” that they suddenly relabelled everything as anything but Catholic.
You have to remember that God gave us all free will. I get upset to at the people who call themselves Catholic and don’t follow the faith. Be a good example to these so called “Hypocrites” and show them what a good Christian looks and acts like. They are all human and humans are sinners. Lead by example, don’t follow them.
Believe me, everyone who belongs to another Christian denomination considers the Roman Catholic Church to be a denomination. The Catholic position on this issue is like citizens of the United States considering that they are the only “Americans” and ignoring the fact that the citizens of the Latin American countries also consider themselves to be Americans. In their eyes, United States’ citizens are only one, among many, varieties of Americans. Likewise the Catholic Church.
Are you not familiar with the Orthodox Churches? They, and you, were schismatic with each other 500 years before the birth of Martin Luther.
Your analogy is wrong. To base a judgement upon opinion is dangerous. It really doesn’t matter.
But at least they have valid orders and offer the Eucharist. Protestants denied valid orders and openly so and for the most part admit that they don’t offer the Eucharist only a symbol of the Eucharist.
Nah, a better analogy is an accused defendant (or a foreigner) on trial in the United States who correctly cites our own Constitutional guarantees of due process when his right to a fair trial is being violated. Now, when that happens, we have two possible responses: (1) to admit that we are wrong and enforce the rights set forth in the Constitution…in other words to live by the standards we have set for ourselves or (2) to say “you’re a criminal (or a foreigner) and, because what you say is unpopular, we don’t have to listen to you”. Likewise the Catholic Church and Scripture.
First,“You” aren’t “we” apparently because of a choice “you” made. You may be a criminal in our land. That may well be an appropriate analogy. You are actively using what belongs to us to try to inflict damage upon the Church. It has nothing to do with popularity. Again, opinions don’t mean anything. Protestants did not write the Scriptures. The Church did. Stop protesting and you will be welcomed home with open arms. Keep attacking and we will resist and rightly cry foul when you use our scriptures to try to hurt us.
Well, it’s a free country, thank God. We’ll continue to rely on Scripture and you can continue to cry foul when you don’t like what we are saying.
Other than the fact that you don’t rely much on the Scriptures I agree with you.
I did not comment on such schisms because there is a now an intense dialogue between Vatican and Orthodox leaderships. . Besides, Orthodox did not dabble with Catholic things and never imposed their own version of the Bible on others.
Why do you think that Protestants have “imposed” “their” bible on Catholics? Don’t Catholics and Protestants use the same bible except for the Apocrypha/DC books which the Catholic Church declares to be canon? Also, did you not know that the Orthodox canon differs from the Catholic canon?
There is no dispute with Orthodox like Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide. Besides I have no inclination to start a dispute on something we don’t disagree about.
No offense, but you seem full of the anti-Protestant hate that Catholics accuse them of! We get angry when we see “anti-Catholic” sites, but I’m seeing so much “anti-Protestant” stuff here…full of anger. I don’t understand how we can’t just love all our brothers and sisters. It truly makes me sad.
The point people are missing, though, is that just as Catholics BELIEVE the Bible was written by Catholics, the Protestants BELIEVE it was not. Most don’t believe that the Christian Church of the Apostles was the Catholic Church of today. Whether right or wrong, that is the Protestant belief. That said, they are just as justified in using scripture as Catholics are.
That is a GREAT analogy. And very true.
That is good of you, for if you are trying to explain to people that you are an atheist because of what you see in science then science should be your basis for your argument.