Why do non-Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us?

[6YRSHOME]

Daro is not here to learn. He is here to troll.

His posts are typical of a Seventh Day Adventist.

7 hills…whore of babylon…the hat the pope wears…etc…etc…etc

Joey,
I fear you are right. I just read another thread where Daro spouted the same swill. You know what they say, garbage in, gargage out. What saddens me is the way that they swallow this stuff so blindly, without a second thought. During my conversion process I read and listened to Catholic sources, but I also sought out secular sources, for verification. I did not find anything that made me question that the Catholic claims were false.

I guess some people are willing to have others do their thinking for them. That’s up to them I guess. But when they come to us and try and shove that stuff at us and then claim pity for us for not buying it, that’s when it gets irritating.

 

[daro2096]

CATHOLIC BELIEFS AND THE SCRIPTURES

By Adam Bartlett

The catholic church has many traditions and doctrines that are contrary to the Bible. The teachings are listed along with the Biblical response, decide for yourself.

I have received many emails regarding this page and its (supposed) errors regarding the catholic church and Beliefs. I have yet to receive ONE email that contained Scriptures to the contrary of the issues stated below. I have yet to have anyone show me that; 1 - The beliefs listed below by the catholic church are not still accurate and 2 - that the Scriptures indicated to show the complete heresy of those beliefs by being contradictory to the Holy Scriptures is wrong. For those that want to write me and inform me of how wrong this page is, I ask that you show me how the Scriptures I have indicated in regard to each heretical belief of the catholic church is incorrect! Click on this link to see an example of some emails I have received - Emails from catholics

I have not even included the heretical belief by the pope that evolution is compatible with Creation. Nor the fact that the pope openly indicated that “Hell” was not a real physical place.

bibleheadquarters.org/TheCatholicDebate.html

 

[6YRSHOME]

And to prove my point…

CATHOLIC BELIEFS AND THE SCRIPTURES

By Adam Bartlett

The catholic church has many traditions and doctrines that are contrary to the Bible. The teachings are listed along with the Biblical response, decide for yourself.

I have received many emails regarding this page and its (supposed) errors regarding the catholic church and Beliefs. I have yet to receive ONE email that contained Scriptures to the contrary of the issues stated below. I have yet to have anyone show me that; 1 - The beliefs listed below by the catholic church are not still accurate and 2 - that the Scriptures indicated to show the complete heresy of those beliefs by being contradictory to the Holy Scriptures is wrong. For those that want to write me and inform me of how wrong this page is, I ask that you show me how the Scriptures I have indicated in regard to each heretical belief of the catholic church is incorrect! Click on this link to see an example of some emails I have received - Emails from catholics

I have not even included the heretical belief by the pope that evolution is compatible with Creation. Nor the fact that the pope openly indicated that “Hell” was not a real physical place.

bibleheadquarters.org/TheCatholicDebate.html

 

[daro2096]

The Roman Catholic Church is built on the assumption that in Matthew 16:13-19 Jesus appointed Peter the first pope and so founded His Church and established the papacy. If this is true, then all true Christians must become catholic. If it is false, the whole catholic religion is false and cultic and no true Christians could be identified with such a system. We must, then, search the Scriptures in order to know what is true. The Scriptures are not merely the writings of men, “But holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (II Peter 1:21). "All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work: (II Timothy 3:16-17). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words (the Bible) shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35). Both Scripture and history testify to the authenticity, reliability, efficiency, and sufficiency of the Bible. Though some catholic translations are better than others, all are reliable enough for general study with catholics.
When Jesus, in Matthew 16:18, said, “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” He used the demonstrative “this” (taute), pointing to Peter’s confession, “Thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God” as the rock. Jesus said, “Thou are Peter (petros, a stone - all believers are stones, see I Peter 2:5 and Ephesians 2:21), and upon this rock (petra, a huge rock foundation - the confession that Jesus is the Christ), I will build my church”. He did not promise to build His Church upon Peter. Jesus would not have trusted such a precious possession as His Church to the leadership of even one fallible man much less a whole succession of them. The pope of Rome is called the Vicar of the Son of God (Vicarius Filii Dei). In the Bible we find that the Holy Spirit, not a pope, was sent to take the place of Jesus on earth. That is what Vicar means. The Holy Spirit was given to guide us into all truth (John 16:7-15) and the Scriptures were given for teaching, for reproving, for correction, and for instruction (II Timothy 3:16). Christ did not leave His Church to human leadership. Jesus Himself is still the Head of His Church. He speaks to us through His infallible Word, the Holy Scriptures, by His ever present and infallible Holy Spirit.

 

[daro2096]

THE BIBLE SAYS:

Peter denies that the church was built on him, 1Pet. 2:4-8.
The church was built on Christ, Matt. 16:18; In this verse the Greek word for Peter is " petros " which means, a piece of rock; and the Greek word for Rock ( referring to the church) in this verse is " petra " which means, a massive rock.
Peter never claimed to be the head of the church, in fact it is very clear in the scriptures that there is only one head. 1Pet. 2:4-8, Eph. 5:23, Col. 1:18.
Peter did not claim superiority. 1Pet. 5:1, neither did Paul, 2Cor. 11:5.
James not Peter, presided at the first church council at Jerusalem. Acts 15:13,19. In fact Christ taught them NOT to exercise dominion over anyone, Matt. 20: 25-28. NOTE: Isn’t it odd that the first “Papa” or “Pope” mentioned is the sixth century!
They also claim that the Popes are successors to Peter, yet scriptures never indicate that; (man made tradition), in fact scriptures only indicate one such succession and that was only to complete the twelve. Acts 1:15-26. Notice the rule which applied to the successor also: Must have companied with Christ from the baptism of John to the ascension, Acts 1:21-22. Obviously the popes of our time are either extremely old, or they are above the requirements of God on this issue.
When James (who was scripturally the first leader of the church) was killed they did not meet and select a successor for him as with Judas, Acts 12:1-5.
If the Pope is infallible, then Peter was not a good one, for he was fallible many times, in fact Paul had to confront him publicly, Gal. 2:11-14. NOTE: If the claim is that Peter was only infallible in spiritual matters; well this was a spiritual matter.
That the Popes and priests should live in an unmarried state; obviously Peter was not a catholic Pope, he was married, Matt. 8:14, Mark 1:30, Lk. 4:38, and even Paul said Peter had a wife, 1Cor. 9:5.
The Popes in many ways are worshipped, priests and cardinals bowing down and kissing his ring(sound familiar; pagan kings), Peter would not allow it, Acts 10:25-26, neither would Paul, Acts 14: 11-15, Christ forbade worshipping of men, Matt. 4:10, not even angels accept it, Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9. I guess the Popes feel superior to all these.

 

[colliric]

When the reformation started to say that the Antichrist was the Pope they held the Council of Trent and they asked a couple of Jesuit priests to study the prophecys and find an alternative interpreation. They came up with the idea that Antichrist came in the past in the tiime of a Greek king and that Antichrist comes in the distant future. Thats when the idea of a secret rapture came about.

Amazing how Jesuits keep pointing up when you search these things out.

No they didn’t, it was church tradition which dictated that all the events of Revelations had already occured with exception of the Second Coming.

That has always been tradition.

The Catholic church has always taught there is no such thing as a “rapture” at all, and such passages which protestants think support such a thing, are in fact refering to the “Second Coming” and not some “secretive Rapture”. I don’t know how you got the idea that is Catholic teaching, when most catholics believe that the events in john’s prophercy occured in first century Jerusalem(and the was no thing as a Rapture at all, no, the rapturist’s passages are talking about Rome’s immanent pillage of Jerusalem, after all “Till this generation passes”).

catholic.com/library/false_profit.asp

You are being lied too about Catholic teaching on a scale which is unimaginable.

 

[6YRSHOME]

The Roman Catholic Church is built on the assumption that in Matthew 16:13-19 Jesus appointed Peter the first pope and so founded His Church and established the papacy. If this is true, then all true Christians must become catholic. If it is false, the whole catholic religion is false and cultic and no true Christians could be identified with such a system. We must, then, search the Scriptures in order to know what is true. The Scriptures are not merely the writings of men, “But holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (II Peter 1:21). "All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work: (II Timothy 3:16-17). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words (the Bible) shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35). Both Scripture and history testify to the authenticity, reliability, efficiency, and sufficiency of the Bible. Though some catholic translations are better than others, all are reliable enough for general study with catholics.
When Jesus, in Matthew 16:18, said, “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” He used the demonstrative “this” (taute), pointing to Peter’s confession, “Thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God” as the rock. Jesus said, “Thou are Peter (petros, a stone - all believers are stones, see I Peter 2:5 and Ephesians 2:21), and upon this rock (petra, a huge rock foundation - the confession that Jesus is the Christ), I will build my church”. He did not promise to build His Church upon Peter. Jesus would not have trusted such a precious possession as His Church to the leadership of even one fallible man much less a whole succession of them. The pope of Rome is called the Vicar of the Son of God (Vicarius Filii Dei). In the Bible we find that the Holy Spirit, not a pope, was sent to take the place of Jesus on earth. That is what Vicar means. The Holy Spirit was given to guide us into all truth (John 16:7-15) and the Scriptures were given for teaching, for reproving, for correction, and for instruction (II Timothy 3:16). Christ did not leave His Church to human leadership. Jesus Himself is still the Head of His Church. He speaks to us through His infallible Word, the Holy Scriptures, by His ever present and infallible Holy Spirit.

Petros and Petra are Greek. Did Jesus and his disciples speak in Greek?

 

[colliric]

THE BIBLE SAYS:
**
Peter denies that the church was built on him, 1Pet. 2:4-8. **
The church was built on Christ, Matt. 16:18; In this verse the Greek word for Peter is " petros " which means, a piece of rock; and the Greek word for Rock ( referring to the church) in this verse is " petra " which means, a massive rock.
Peter never claimed to be the head of the church, in fact it is very clear in the scriptures that there is only one head. 1Pet. 2:4-8, Eph. 5:23, Col. 1:18.
Peter did not claim superiority. 1Pet. 5:1, neither did Paul, 2Cor. 11:5.
James not Peter, presided at the first church council at Jerusalem. Acts 15:13,19. In fact Christ taught them NOT to exercise dominion over anyone, Matt. 20: 25-28. NOTE: Isn’t it odd that the first “Papa” or “Pope” mentioned is the sixth century!
They also claim that the Popes are successors to Peter, yet scriptures never indicate that; (man made tradition), in fact scriptures only indicate one such succession and that was only to complete the twelve. Acts 1:15-26. Notice the rule which applied to the successor also: Must have companied with Christ from the baptism of John to the ascension, Acts 1:21-22. Obviously the popes of our time are either extremely old, or they are above the requirements of God on this issue.
When James (who was scripturally the first leader of the church) was killed they did not meet and select a successor for him as with Judas, Acts 12:1-5.
If the Pope is infallible, then Peter was not a good one, for he was fallible many times, in fact Paul had to confront him publicly, Gal. 2:11-14. NOTE: If the claim is that Peter was only infallible in spiritual matters; well this was a spiritual matter.
That the Popes and priests should live in an unmarried state; obviously Peter was not a catholic Pope, he was married, Matt. 8:14, Mark 1:30, Lk. 4:38, and even Paul said Peter had a wife, 1Cor. 9:5.
The Popes in many ways are worshipped, priests and cardinals bowing down and kissing his ring(sound familiar; pagan kings), Peter would not allow it, Acts 10:25-26, neither would Paul, Acts 14: 11-15, Christ forbade worshipping of men, Matt. 4:10, not even angels accept it, Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9. I guess the Popes feel superior to all these.

Since you have suddenly indulged in that protestan practise of “chuck out unrelated bible verses to confuse everyone about the bible’s actual interpretation” I’'ll pick on this first one and let someone else jump in and do the standard Kepha response to the second and so on.

Where does peter “deny” anything at all? all he says is that we’re all stones and Christ is the living stone we should follow…

He doesn’t deny anything at all…In fact he confirms he was given the Priesthood and then says the preisthood is for all to aspire to… we’re all priests of somesort.

If anything he confirms that Christ called him the stone on which Christ built the Church, and turns the metaphor around and uses it on Christ himself by relating that Christ was in fact the First stone and he gave Peter the power to also be like a Stone. To summarize what he says: “I’m a stone for Christ, who was the original living stone, and you should all be Stones like him too. To be one, you must believe in his power.”.

He does nothing to deny that Christ called him the stone on which the new church would be built. But rather he confirms it, then relates to us who the original stone, who had the power to ordain him the new Stone, actually is.

 

[kellie]

daro,

Stop Stop Stop

You have got to read up on Catholicism before you post any more rubbish.

We do not believe the popes are infallible all the time, but only when they are declaring doctrine, as we believe the Holy Spirit guides them when they are doing this.

Sure they make mistakes other times, they aren’t perfect, nobody is.

Celibacy is a discipline not a doctrine.
It was introduced after Catholicism was established.
As it is only a discipline, it can be changed at any time by the Pope, but most feel it will never be.

Stop spouting such untruths about us.

If you wish to debate about beliefs, go for it, but make sure you know us before you do.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

daro proves the point that my objection implied by my question in my first post is based upon reality. Non-Catholics come to a gun fight not only without ammunition they don’t even have a weapon. They must rob one, or try to, from our arsenal. It is rather pitiful. We who know a bit more about the situation must act as shepherds to protect these sheep from wolves like this fellow.

Always remember that Satan is a liar. He has no power unless we give it to him. Remain in the sheepfold our Lord Himself established upon Peter the Rock amost 2,000 years ago. Arm yourself through study and prayer.

In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce this Satanic figure who calls himself daro and cast out any influence he may have had with those who might read this thread.

CDL

 

[Chancellare]

The Roman Catholic Church is based on Pagan religion and it dates back to Babylon. Why do your priests wear the hat of Dagon the fish god?

The Catholic Church hijacked the Scriptures and denied them to the common man. For centuries man had to relie on the priest to tell him what God said. The common man wasn’t allowed to have Scriptures. If someone was caught giving out tracts of Bible they were burned at the stake.

The great reformers tried to change the Catholic Church. Luther didn’t want to leave the church but wanted to reform it, bring it back to the Bible but Babylon will not be healed and so he came out and said the Bible and the Bible alone is our standard.

Jesus said in vain do they worship me teaching the commandments of men.

This “Pagan religion” fallacy has been disproven already by many articles way back. But the strange thing is, these same people still celebrate Hallooween, which is also identified with pagan origin. Why? because they have selective ignorance?
Daro and his ilk must have run out of better things to do than revive an old and debunked fallacy and rantings.

 

[daro2096]

daro proves the point that my objection implied by my question in my first post is based upon reality. Non-Catholics come to a gun fight not only without ammunition they don’t even have a weapon. They must rob one, or try to, from our arsenal. It is rather pitiful. We who know a bit more about the situation must act as shepherds to protect these sheep from wolves like this fellow.

Always remember that Satan is a liar. He has no power unless we give it to him. Remain in the sheepfold our Lord Himself established upon Peter the Rock amost 2,000 years ago. Arm yourself through study and prayer.

In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce this Satanic figure who calls himself daro and cast out any influence he may have had with those who might read this thread.

CDL

I don’t feel any different after you cussing me.

Satan’s church is the Catholic Church.

Want me to leave? Fine but don’t say on Judgment Day that you didn’t know you were in the false church.

 

[Chancellare]

I don’t feel any different after you cussing me.

Satan’s church is the Catholic Church.

Want me to leave? Fine but don’t say on Judgment Day that you didn’t know you were in the false church.

Who are you to judge and assign anything as “Satan’s church”? That kind of sentence construction was common among Pharisees who also judged Jesus’ works as that of Satan’s.

 

[daro2096]

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. Daniel 7:8

I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld [even] till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Daniel 7:11

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Daniel 7:21

And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:24

And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Daniel 7:25

 

[daro2096]

Who are you to judge and assign anything as “Satan’s church”? That kind of sentence construction was common among Pharisees who also judged Jesus’ works as that of Satan’s.

Who are you to call me a satanic demon?

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Want me to leave?

I’d rather you would convert but if you are going to continue to be an obstinate enemy of Christ and His Church then in the name of Jesus Christ, do leave.

CDL

 

[daro2096]

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:1-7

 

[daro2096]

I’d rather you would convert but if you are going to continue to be an obstinate enemy of Christ and His Church then in the name of Jesus Christ, do leave.

CDL

I am in the true church. Jesus lead me to the SDA.

I feel sorry for you all that have been duped in the Catholic Church. You are so blind.

 

[Chancellare]

Who are you to call me a satanic demon?

I did not say THAT. But you did.

 

[daro2096]

I did not say THAT. But you did.

I wasn’t referring to you.