Why do other Christians "hate" Catholics?

[Protestor]

We hate you because sub-conscientiously we know you are correct. We are all just in the second stage of grief

But seriously, I don’t think they hate you. I think if you asked a protestant “why do you hate catholics?” The response would be “I do not hate catholics”, and if they do hate your kind they probably are not christians. I do not doubt that there are many people in the protestant community really do hate your beliefs or their view of “your” beliefs.

Normally rude people are trying to get a point across and maybe it is an unpolished version or a premise or they do not fully understand the point that they are trying to make or they do not understand how to counter your point and rudeness is either conscientiously or sub- conscientiously a mask of those things. Some people do not associate a belief as a personal belief. Some people just think that rudeness is a good way to get a point across, and sometimes it is.

I often devils advocate in small groups, and sometimes try to white knight for the RcC, because even though my knowledge of your beliefs is sophomoric at best it is way better than all but two of my friends and that includes my Catholic friends. There is a complete lack of understanding even to the point where on multiple occasions now I have heard people say that Catholics are not Christians. This was in separate groups with many different denominations being represented and no one corrected these people. The two times this happened I slack jawed and face palmed. You need to know that normal protestants know nothing about the catholic church.

 

[KathleenGee]

Protestor,

Thank you for your contribution. Yes, it is most painful for me to hear that I am not Catholic, or get the sense that some of my in law’s do not want to know absolutely anything coming from my faith. I just have to listen all the time when they are offering advice.

But I am turning to St. Paul and how he handled misunderstandings.

 

[Peter_J]

so some take offense to CC claims of superiority in a fashion no other church does, and calls all other brethren “separated” , and that only since Vatican 2 I think.

Not sure what you mean by this part; the Orthodox claim to being the one true church is just as strong as the Catholic claim. (Arguably stronger. Consider for example, that the Anglican Communion approves intercommunion with Catholics (and Orthodox), and the Roman Communion approves intercommunion with Orthodox, but the Orthodox Communion does not approves intercommunion with even Catholics.)

 

[Peter_J]

Protestor,

Thank you for your contribution. Yes, it is most painful for me to hear that I am not Catholic, or get the sense that some of my in law’s do not want to know absolutely anything coming from my faith. I just have to listen all the time when they are offering advice.

But I am turning to St. Paul and how he handled misunderstandings.

I’m curious what you’re referring to here. Do your in-laws say that you aren’t Catholic?

 

[boomerang]

the Orthodox claim to being the one true church is just as strong as the Catholic claim. (Arguably stronger). …

Peter was given the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Peter was given the name “Rock” by Our Lord Himself. Peter was told to “Feed My sheep”. No other apostle was given this authority and honor. Peter is the founder of the Church in Rome. Peter did not start the church in Constantinople.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Peter was given the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Peter was given the name “Rock” by Our Lord Himself. Peter was told to “Feed My sheep”. No other apostle was given this authority and honor. Peter is the founder of the Church in Rome. Peter did not start the church in Constantinople.

There is not much support for Peter founding the church in Rome. Peter being present in Rome and martyred there? Sure.

 

[JonNC]

I wish others taught like you Jon.

I rememebred that youi answered one of my questions from the thread an open letter to Lutherans. I was going to thank you but procrastination took over and I never did it til now. Thanks

shaw:
Thank you. You are very kind.

Jon

 

[Blain1]

I sympathize with you. I am a Christian but I am going to tell you what I have found Christians to be. Amongst any religion or faith Christians are hated amongst the public the most and with Good reason. Christians are supposed to be all about love. To love any and all ppl, to be kind understanding patient non judgmental to be like Christ hence the name Christian. However I have been to many Christian forums I have met many Christians and I will say this- at least 70 percent of ppl who call themselves Christians really are not Christians.

This is because most Christians are judgmental i mean very judgmental, they lack and grace they are prideful and many are self righteous. They are called hypocrites by many because they do not practice what they preach at all. And for you Catholics they dont hold a very high opinion, they dont see you as our brothers and sisters and dont believe you are saved and often times mock you and your traditions and ways.

For this I am deeply sorry, To me Catholic is a branch in Christianity, a part of the body of Christ. I dont care what ppl say about you I see you all as my brothers and sisters in Christ. The way I see it you can be a part of a denomination as there are many in Christianity and be saved. All that I think is required is to have accepted God into your heart, repented and then build a loving relationship with God. If you have done this and you have love in your heart I believe you are saved. The most important thing to me is to seek love for God is love, if there is nothing but love in your heart there is no room for anything else.

I came here because I wanted to chat and be friends with my brothers and sisters in Christ, I know that you are hated by Christians but thats part of the reason I am here. I dont want to be like other Christians, and while I may not agree with all your beliefs I respect them and will not judge you for it or think myself right and you wrong.

 

[boomerang]

There is not much support for Peter founding the church in Rome. Peter being present in Rome and martyred there? Sure.

Dionysius of Corinth, To Pope Soter (c. 170 AD) [in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 2, 25, 8 (303 AD)] “You have also, by your very admonition, brought together*** the planting that was made by Peter and Paul at Rome*** and at Corinth; for both of them alike planted in our Corinth and taught us; and both alike, teaching similarly in Italy, suffered martyrdom at the same time."

St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies 3, 3, 2 (c. 180 AD) “…by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all Churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world; and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition.”

Clement of Alexandria (ante 217 AD) [in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 6, 14 (c. 303 AD)] “When ***Peter preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel ***by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had been for a long time his follower and who remembered his sayings, should write down what had been proclaimed.”

Eusebius Pamphilus, The Chronicle Ad An. Dom 42 (c. 303 AD) “The second year of the two hundredth and fifth Olympiad (42 AD) the apostle Peter, after he has established the Church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty five years…”

Tertullian: "Let us see what milk the Corinthians drained from Paul; against what standard the Galatians were measured for correction; what the Philippians, Thessalonians, and Ephesians read; what even the nearby Romans sound forth, to whom both Peter and Paul bequeathed the Gospel and even sealed it with their blood (Against Marcion 4:5:1 [inter A.D. 207-212]).

Lactantius: “When Nero was already reigning Peter came to Rome, where, in virtue of the performance of certain miracles which he worked by that power of God which had been given to him,*** he converted many to righteousness and established a firm and steadfast temple to God***. When this fact was reported to Nero, he noticed that not only at Rome but everywhere great multitudes were daily abandoning the worship of idols, and, condemning their old ways, were going over to the new religion. Being that he was a detestable and pernicious tyrant, he sprang to the task of tearing down the heavenly temple and of destroying righteousness. It was he that first persecuted the servants of God. Peter, he fixed to a cross; and Paul, he slew” (The Deaths of the Persecutors 2:5 [inter A.D. 316-320]).

"Cyril of Jerusalem: “[Simon Magus] so deceived the City of Rome that Claudius erected a statue of him, and wrote beneath it in the language of the Romans Simoni Deo Sancto, which is translated To the Holy God Simon. While the error was extending itself Peter and Paul arrived, a noble pair and the rulers of the Church; and they set the error aright… for Peter was there, he that carries about the keys of heaven.” (Catechetical Lectures 6:14 [A.D. 350]).

Optatus: “You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas ‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).

 

[boomerang]

I sympathize with you. I am a Christian but I am going to tell you what I have found Christians to be. Amongst any religion or faith Christians are hated amongst the public the most and with Good reason. Christians are supposed to be all about love. To love any and all ppl, to be kind understanding patient non judgmental to be like Christ hence the name Christian. However I have been to many Christian forums I have met many Christians and I will say this- at least 70 percent of ppl who call themselves Christians really are not Christians.

This is because most Christians are judgmental i mean very judgmental, they lack and grace they are prideful and many are self righteous. They are called hypocrites by many because they do not practice what they preach at all. And for you Catholics they dont hold a very high opinion, they dont see you as our brothers and sisters and dont believe you are saved and often times mock you and your traditions and ways.

For this I am deeply sorry, To me Catholic is a branch in Christianity, a part of the body of Christ. I dont care what ppl say about you I see you all as my brothers and sisters in Christ. The way I see it you can be a part of a denomination as there are many in Christianity and be saved. All that I think is required is to have accepted God into your heart, repented and then build a loving relationship with God. If you have done this and you have love in your heart I believe you are saved. The most important thing to me is to seek love for God is love, if there is nothing but love in your heart there is no room for anything else.

I came here because I wanted to chat and be friends with my brothers and sisters in Christ, I know that you are hated by Christians but thats part of the reason I am here. I dont want to be like other Christians, and while I may not agree with all your beliefs I respect them and will not judge you for it or think myself right and you wrong.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Thank you for your kind words. I used to be very judgemental towards other denominations until I realized I was sinning by doing so. The turning point for me was Mark 3: 31-35: "Who are My mother and brothers?..whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."

I realized I wasn’t doing God’s will, which is this: “A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another as I have loved you” AMEN.

 

[Blain1]

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Thank you for your kind words. I used to be very judgemental towards other denominations until I realized I was sinning by doing so. The turning point for me was Mark 3: 31-35: "Who are My mother and brothers?..whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."

I realized I wasn’t doing God’s will, which is this: “A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another as I have loved you” AMEN.

If we arent of love then we dont stand for God,many Christians need to understand this.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Dionysius of Corinth, To Pope Soter (c. 170 AD) [in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 2, 25, 8 (303 AD)] “You have also, by your very admonition, brought together*** the planting that was made by Peter and Paul at Rome*** and at Corinth; for both of them alike planted in our Corinth and taught us; and both alike, teaching similarly in Italy, suffered martyrdom at the same time."

St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies 3, 3, 2 (c. 180 AD) “…by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all Churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world; and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition.”

Clement of Alexandria (ante 217 AD) [in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 6, 14 (c. 303 AD)] “When ***Peter preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel ***by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had been for a long time his follower and who remembered his sayings, should write down what had been proclaimed.”

Eusebius Pamphilus, The Chronicle Ad An. Dom 42 (c. 303 AD) “The second year of the two hundredth and fifth Olympiad (42 AD) the apostle Peter, after he has established the Church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains a bishop of that city, preaching the gospel for twenty five years…”

Tertullian: "Let us see what milk the Corinthians drained from Paul; against what standard the Galatians were measured for correction; what the Philippians, Thessalonians, and Ephesians read; what even the nearby Romans sound forth, to whom both Peter and Paul bequeathed the Gospel and even sealed it with their blood (Against Marcion 4:5:1 [inter A.D. 207-212]).

Lactantius: “When Nero was already reigning Peter came to Rome, where, in virtue of the performance of certain miracles which he worked by that power of God which had been given to him,*** he converted many to righteousness and established a firm and steadfast temple to God***. When this fact was reported to Nero, he noticed that not only at Rome but everywhere great multitudes were daily abandoning the worship of idols, and, condemning their old ways, were going over to the new religion. Being that he was a detestable and pernicious tyrant, he sprang to the task of tearing down the heavenly temple and of destroying righteousness. It was he that first persecuted the servants of God. Peter, he fixed to a cross; and Paul, he slew” (The Deaths of the Persecutors 2:5 [inter A.D. 316-320]).

"Cyril of Jerusalem: “[Simon Magus] so deceived the City of Rome that Claudius erected a statue of him, and wrote beneath it in the language of the Romans Simoni Deo Sancto, which is translated To the Holy God Simon. While the error was extending itself Peter and Paul arrived, a noble pair and the rulers of the Church; and they set the error aright… for Peter was there, he that carries about the keys of heaven.” (Catechetical Lectures 6:14 [A.D. 350]).

Optatus: “You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas ‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).

That’s all made up history written hundreds of years after the fact. In Romans it’s pretty clear that Paul had never been there and they were strangers to him, and he never mentions Peter having founded the community, nor does Peter mention any such thing. Most Catholic historians know that the community was probably founded by simple converts to Christianity from Jerusalem.

 

[benhur]

Not sure what you mean by this part; the Orthodox claim to being the one true church is just as strong as the Catholic claim. (Arguably stronger. Consider for example, that the Anglican Communion approves intercommunion with Catholics (and Orthodox), and the Roman Communion approves intercommunion with Orthodox, but the Orthodox Communion does not approves intercommunion with even Catholics.)

Perhaps you are right. Have spent most of my time here with Catholics and have not visited any Orthodox sites to chat. Not sure they would say over and over again that Christ founded Orthodoxy at Pentecost or that Orthodoxy gave us the bible or that all of God’s graces to the Body of Christ flow thru and because of the Orthodox Church or that she is infallible in matters of faith and morals and has a two thousand year history to prove it and last but not least, like the old Irish joke applied here that there are two kinds of folks, the Orthodox and those that wish they were, that all others are separated brethren…as far as their fashion of intercommunion being more narrow and “parochial”, that would be sad if you are correct.

 

[Peter_J]

Perhaps you are right. Have spent most of my time here with Catholics and have not visited any Orthodox sites to chat. Not sure they would say over and over again that Christ founded Orthodoxy at Pentecost or that Orthodoxy gave us the bible or that all of God’s graces to the Body of Christ flow thru and because of the Orthodox Church or that she is infallible in matters of faith and morals and has a two thousand year history to prove it and last but not least, like the old Irish joke applied here that there are two kinds of folks, the Orthodox and those that wish they were, that all others are separated brethren…as far as their fashion of intercommunion being more narrow and “parochial”, that would be sad if you are correct.

Thank you for posting that, benhur. You might like

m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sAAwMxnRkk

 

[benhur]

Thank you for posting that, benhur. You might like

m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sAAwMxnRkk

Yes took a look and the orthodox reasoning seems a bit arrogant. But half their reasoning is used by Catholic Church also for exclusion, that we must be true to unity which Eucharist symbolizes that is one loaf. Hence,while their is allowance for rare circumstances, even Catholics are “narrow” in their dispensing to separated brethren…now of course there is official and unofficial there is rule and there is practice. In practice Catholics seem to allow communion to P’s like at funerals etc with no strings attached or asked. As far as orthodox well yes Catholics allow it but only if approved by orthodox bishop, which Catholics know can not happen so it may be a tongue in cheek allowance, knowing it will never happen or rarely…but yes C’s seem more benevolent than O’s but not as much as P’s on the matter…thank you

 

[benhur]

That’s all made up history written hundreds of years after the fact. In Romans it’s pretty clear that Paul had never been there and they were strangers to him, and he never mentions Peter having founded the community, nor does Peter mention any such thing. Most Catholic historians know that the community was probably founded by simple converts to Christianity from Jerusalem.

We’ll put. Have read the same thing.

 

[Peter_J]

Yes took a look and the orthodox reasoning seems a bit arrogant. But half their reasoning is used by Catholic Church also for exclusion, that we must be true to unity which Eucharist symbolizes that is one loaf. Hence,while their is allowance for rare circumstances, even Catholics are “narrow” in their dispensing to separated brethren…now of course there is official and unofficial there is rule and there is practice. In practice Catholics seem to allow communion to P’s like at funerals etc with no strings attached or asked. As far as orthodox well yes Catholics allow it but only if approved by orthodox bishop, which Catholics know can not happen so it may be a tongue in cheek allowance, knowing it will never happen or rarely…but yes C’s seem more benevolent than O’s but not as much as P’s on the matter…thank you

It’s hard to respond to this post, because I can’t tell whether you understand the difference between the words “orthodox” and “Orthodox” (or whether you realize that link was from a Lutheran source).

 

[ajcstr]

We’ll put. Have read the same thing.

Sources ??

 

[PRmerger]

Rebellious children often ‘hate’ their parents. Until they grow up.

 

[Peter_J]

https://imgur.com/jFi4HM3

I’d like to second that facial expression. IMHO snide remarks like

Rebellious children often ‘hate’ their parents. Until they grow up.

although relatively mild, don’t help our relations with other Christians.