Why do other non Catholic religions always bash Catholocism?

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Yes, bigotry is the biggest reason but you realize that the Church’s enforcement of religious conformity in prior centuries is a huge factor contributing to the dim view many take of the church. Examples of reformers burned at the stake are too numerous to mention. “Bloody” Mary, Queen of England before Elizabeth had several hundred burned a the stake to re-establish Roman Catholicism in her relatively short reign. She died too soon to stem the Protestant tide and her step sister, Elizabeth ruled nearly a half a century and firmly established the Anglican Church, with its cobbled together doctrines best described as a political compromise between factions of Calvinists and Sacramentalists.

Of course what part did the Italian pope play, when he ruled that a Roman Catholic in England couldn’t be loyal to the heretic, Elizabeth? So all Roman Catholics in good conscience become traitors to the English Crown. Of course the Spanish Armada come to re-establish Roman Catholicism didn’t help either.

Actually all very sad and its led to the shattering of Christendom with its absence of any real influence today.
 
pismopal:
I see from your post that you are quite arrogant, bigoted and closeminded too. I guess it’s your way or the highway. Oh well. No use trying to dialogue or reason with you, so in your words "adios muchacho. Yo prego che los Dios te tenga mas fuerte.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Personally my church does not “bash” other religions. What individual members do is another story.

For example, the relationship my church has had with the Diocese of Salt Lake City, particularly this year when the Cathedral of the Madeleine, the seat of the Bishop, turned 100 this year. The First Presidency was present during a key event celebrating the cathedral with the Bishop there. Further, I do not know why we would support the cathedral additionally with a outreach program to the poor if we “bash” Catholicism.

We differ doctrinally – the church does not “bash” other religions.
 
Well, personally I really don’t care what Rome or anybody else thinks about what I believe.
I think this demonstrates a major part of the answer to the OP. In looking at your location, one has to be cognizant that this country, and your area of it in particular was founded upon a rebellious attitude of this kind. It is somewhat of a cultural legacy for Americans to have this “don’t tread on me” mindset. I think we don’t always realize how it affects our world view. There exists in America, more than anywhere else in the world, perhaps, a fierce independence and resistance to authority. THey are characteristics upon which our country was founded.
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But the OP is painting a picture that the poor RCC is the innocent victim of constant bashing. When you have the disposition that you are always right
It is true about the “disposition”. The Church does receive the promises of Christ that He will send the Spirit to preserve them, and lead them into all Truth.
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and that everybody outside your church is in an impaired state of communion with God at best or hellbound heretics at worst,
Yes, I can see how this would be annoying.
it does make the RCC a magnet for resentment.
I see that, since you posted this, you were banned from this forum? Perhaps your resentments made it impossible for you to comply with the forum rules, and the magnetic pull to find fault was overwhelming? Whatever the case, I thank you for this post, because it is the most accurate I have read that formulates the answer to the OP.
I understand your statement and that of other Protestants and I tend to agree with you up to a point. Keep in mind, though, it is not the Church that does all this but individuals with in the Church that may take it upon themselves to “speak” for the Church.
I see your point, but I think he is talking about the fact the Catholic Church does, in fact, claim to be infallible. To the extent that the individual embraces the Teaching of the Church, we can all benefit and participate in the charism of infallibility.
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This,
sadly, happens on both sides. The ones that do the bashing really do not know the full
story and are usually grossly mis-informed.
I think that VARC does have some accurate perceptions on this point. 👍
… and follow Jesus’
command to love one another. Then the bashing should stop, useful dialogue should
occur, and we would all become one as Jesus prayed and asked of His Father.
I agree 100% about the loving and the prayer. I think, however, that the only way we can “become one” is by embracing the Truth. To the extent that any of us depart from the One Truth, we depart from unity. What happened during the Reformation is that people were trying to get rid of corruption in the clergy. They thought that it was doctrine that needed to be Reformed, rather than people (or perhaps both). Men are always in need
of reform, but the doctrine cannot be changed. It was delivered “once for all to the Church”, and we do not have the libery to come along centuries and millenia.
 
pismopal:
I see from your post that you are quite arrogant, bigoted and closeminded too. I guess it’s your way or the highway. Oh well. No use trying to dialogue or reason with you, so in your words "adios muchacho. Yo prego che los Dios te tenga mas fuerte.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
I really don’t care whether you think I am “bigoted arrogant and closeminded” . That is your opinion and I am a big boy. If someone who said that was someone I had respect for or even knew very well I might have gotten my feelings hurt. I find it interesting that you who are openminded and well centered would get such a thrill out of insulting me and then running for cover with a parting shot of “no use in trying to reason with you.” Reason with me about what ? If I am a bigot for defending what I believe…I plead guilty. What are you defending…what is your case…other than being insulting towards me? May I be so bold as to ask for your medical and psychiatric background or am I not the only arrogant poster here? 🤷
 
since Catholics were the first true church and all.
I wonder if you are saying this only in light of a “Protestant vs. Catholic” mentality and have not even considered the three Eastern Christian churches which predate the Church of Rome.
 
Interesting to see so many protestants saying that they feel bashed or that we Catholics have called them heretics or this or that. You separated from US not the other way around, of course we were not going to take it lightly. But all that is in the past. Today in The U.S. Catholics tend to be very accepting of other Christians and seldom try to convert them into our church. The same cannot be said about many Protestant groups. I have never heard a Priest say that Baptists or Pentecostals are not Christians. Yet Baptists and Pentecostals frequently attack Catholics and deny us a title which belonged to us long before the Plymouth Brethren or the Calvinists existed. Mainline Protestants on the other hand tend to be much more lenient in their judgments about Catholics and mostly consider us Christians. But they are quickly disintegrating and their churches are emptying in favor of fundamentalist and “non-denominational” evangelical churches. Fundamentalists are very mean-spirited towards Catholics and their influence on American society is huge. Even Catholics have been influenced by them, some will even say “I’m not Christian, I’m Catholic”. I have little esteem for those groups, I have seen how they believe us to be the Whore of Babylon and how they have ridiculed Mary whom they should at least respect as a biblical figure. So if some orthodox Catholics feel a little animosity it should be understood. At least we call Protestants Christians and don’t go breaking up their faith communities and families.
 
I think that the website I will post below, accurately displays the breakdowns of various denominations, where and when they were established, and whom they were established by.

www.scripturecatholic.com
 
The difference between the Catholic Church and other churches and denominations when it comes to discrimination is this: The Catholic Church has always taught charity in truth and truth in charity, though some Catholic Christians have discriminated against non-Catholics in violation of the Church’s teachings, while certain non-Catholic Christian churches and denominations teach anti-catholicism and anti-semitism and some of the members of these churches and denominations do not follow the teachings of said churches and denominations.

It is not simply a matter of everyone having faults - this is a generalization, by the way - nor is it simply a matter of history - and God can vindicate history, even if man dose not want it - but is a matter of teaching versus behavior, nature versus members, and truth versus untruth. The Church is Holy, yet bears sinners to her bosom, and so not every Catholic Christian perfectly adheres to her teachings; some call this hypocrisy, as if it is hypocritical for Christians to seek perfection and to call others to the same end, yet it would only be hypocritical if, like the Pharisees, the Christian was clean on the outside yet dirty on the inside.

And if the Church calls someone out on their actions, this is not discrimination but a reminder of the truth and a call for justice; for example, when the Church teaches that homosexual acts are sins, it is a discrimination against homosexuals but a reminder, in light of reason, the natural moral law, and Sacred Scriptures and Tradition, that homosexuality is a disordered condition and homosexual acts are evil and unnatural, and if any homosexual man or woman objects to this, just as the Romans objected to the Church’s claim of idoltry since they believed they adored a god in the Emperor, than they object in vain and in ignorance, vain because the truth is truth and ignorance because the truth isn’t self-contradicting, and the Church, far from scorning them, takes pity and teaches all the more - and if she is persecuted for the sake of righteousness, her persecution will cause her to grow and become strong.

Likewise, when a Christian calls a pagan a pagan, or an Evangelical a separated brother, or a Mormon a non-Christian, it is not discrimination but the truth, indeed God speaking through the person’s mouth, for every man is a liar and only God can speak the truth, even only God can do good, and for this same reason He speaks truth in charity and charity in truth, as even demons can speak the truth in harsh words and rash ways. Yet if a Christian hurls an insult, how is that a truth in charity? It may be true, in a cruelly worded way, but it is not charity, and where charity is lacking, so there is lacking God, who is Charity - Love - Itself.

The Catholic Church teaches that our separated brothers are still Christians, yet some of our separated brothers’ churches and denominations teach them that the Catholic Church is non-Christian and evil. The Church teaches that Jesus Christ is True God and True Man, yet some cults teach that He is only a prophet, not a prophet-priest-king nor the God-Man, and that the Church is wrong. It is a matter of teaching and how this teaching is presented. It is also a matter of how these teachings affect their members and how members react to them. For uncharitable teachings cause uncharitable behavior, as the son follows his father, yet some wise up and leave an uncharitable church or denomination, cult or group, because the son, by God’s grace, wishes to follow the Heavenly Father even more than his father dose. If a church teaches a lie or a twist of a truth about another convocation, and a member realizes this, more often than not said member will leave that uncharitable church for another, because he seeks charity in truth and truth in charity.
 
I really don’t care whether you think I am “bigoted arrogant and closeminded” . That is your opinion and I am a big boy. If someone who said that was someone I had respect for or even knew very well I might have gotten my feelings hurt. I find it interesting that you who are openminded and well centered would get such a thrill out of insulting me and then running for cover with a parting shot of “no use in trying to reason with you.” Reason with me about what ? If I am a bigot for defending what I believe…I plead guilty. What are you defending…what is your case…other than being insulting towards me? May I be so bold as to ask for your medical and psychiatric background or am I not the only arrogant poster here? 🤷
I had made a statement/comment and in your response you arrogantly, without charity, insinuated that I did not know what I was talking about, and in effect told me to hit the highway. That, my friend is what I am talking about. Are you a theologian? If you are
then you know more than I do and should have corrected me in charity. If you are not, then I rest my case.
Originally Posted by pismopal:
I am going to let the readers decide how much sense you are making. Speaking for myself…you make no sense and certainly no case. The Church allows for all kinds of opinions but if you want to be Catholic you should not hold them…that is also not rocket science. If it is “not rocket science” it should have been easy for you to cite some of the “Catholic dogma” to make your case. You won’t because you can’t…adios muchacho
 
My mother was from Cuba and her family where Presbyterian, which is what I am right now. Because they where not the traditional Roman Catholic Hispanics, they where discriminated, and looked down on. My grandmother thought that Catholics where communists. My brother broke through the Protestant paradigm when he heard that the local Presbyterian Church was going to take a vote on abortion or have some sort of debate. This deeply troubled him as it should. Religion is religion. It should never change, that’s one of the reasons I am considering becoming a Catholic.

One thing to consider about the bashing, well I guess it depends on where you are from and what the majority religion is. In the U.S. no religous group has been targeted more than Catholics. In Colonial American times, it was forbidden to be Catholic with Maryland, and Massachusetts being the only exception. Also, consider the Anti-Catholic literature in the 19th Century, as well as being targeted by the KKK and the Know Nothings. Catholics haven’t exactly been embraced in America. There’s a couple of books on this such as The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice and The Protestant Crusade, 1800-1860. If you skip towards today, you will see that Catholics are still the most hated religion in America. Most people in this country are ignorant to Catholic History, that the Dark Ages was caused by Catholic ignorance and suppresed knowledge, and hated the bible. All of which is false. Catholics are hated by the Secular media more than any other religious group because they are the ONLY Church that stands united in their beliefs even after 2000 years.
 
I think even the author of OP would readily acknowledge that not all non-Catholics bash Catholics, though it certainly seems that way at times. As a life-long conservative Presbyterian I’ll frankly admit that the tone of Reformation theology by definition is a matter of reforming the Church from whatever ills were perceived at the time of the Reformation back to the pure religion of Holy Scripture and the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. Both prior to the Protestant Reformation, and during and following it Rome has also sought to continually purify both it’s actions and teachings in keeping with Christ’s guidance. Whether from the Crusades, the Inquisition, the largely Calvinistic Protestant religious wars of France and Germany, the Presbyterian drowning of Baptists, the Puritan hangings of so-called witches, discriminatory policies and actions against Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, and, yes, even Protestants, we each have borne a responsibility for grievous sins against the other, both individually and as religious groups.

It’s doubtful that perhaps the most prized English translation of the Scriptures among Protestants, the KJV, would even have been undertaken had it not been for the extreme anti-Catholic sentiment expressed in a predecessor Calvinistic Geneva Bible. Growing up Presbyterian, as I still ardently am, I was subjected to a continuing stream of anti-Catholic sentiment, and to this day many of my Calvinist brothers consider an equalizing between Rome and the Whore of Babylon, just as most every Christian group has considered another whom they consider has “departed” from the ‘truth’.

It’s troubling that religious fervour often precludes religious tolerance, but there’s little disputing that either by degree of intensity or quantity of expression Christians of either a Catholic of Protestant persuasion bear the historical stigma of bashing one another to death, defying the very prayer of our mutual LORD, “may all be one” (Jn.17:21).

To my Catholic brethren I submit my apology. I have Catholic friends, and grew up with them. I have black friends, and grew up with them. My friendship does not erase lingering hostilities or enmity between others and myself, it only heightens that I am they and they are me despite our religious or racial differences, and indeed highlights our mutual need of and dependence upon the same Lord Jesus Christ. Religious fervour is a delight for those of us who cry, “Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts!”, but in the hands of us sinners it too often is wielded to terrible action and result. Never was there a time when I did not love Catholics or counter the railings against them by my own, but in holding Catholic-haters as my own I have torn the very fabric of love between all, and continue to do so in spite of myself. Praise God in Christ Jesus that He both purifies and heals individuals and His Church, in part and in whole.

The “Why?” of the thread title is a very complex question having both holy and unholy sources of intent, but where God hath said, “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God”, I am indebted to those Catholics who would forgive me, and am daily challenged to conform my theological fervour to the blessed heart of Christ. I am wrong to try and correct wrongs wrongly, and I am wrong to abide wrongs in need of correcting, but I am wrong to bash either brother or enemy, and rather am humbled to give place unto wrath, for God is Judge.
 
I think even the author of OP would readily acknowledge that not all non-Catholics bash Catholics, though it certainly seems that way at times. As a life-long conservative Presbyterian I’ll frankly admit that the tone of Reformation theology by definition is a matter of reforming the Church from whatever ills were perceived at the time of the Reformation back to the pure religion of Holy Scripture and the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. Both prior to the Protestant Reformation, and during and following it Rome has also sought to continually purify both it’s actions and teachings in keeping with Christ’s guidance. Whether from the Crusades, the Inquisition, the largely Calvinistic Protestant religious wars of France and Germany, the Presbyterian drowning of Baptists, the Puritan hangings of so-called witches, discriminatory policies and actions against Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, and, yes, even Protestants, we each have borne a responsibility for grievous sins against the other, both individually and as religious groups.

It’s doubtful that perhaps the most prized English translation of the Scriptures among Protestants, the KJV, would even have been undertaken had it not been for the extreme anti-Catholic sentiment expressed in a predecessor Calvinistic Geneva Bible. Growing up Presbyterian, as I still ardently am, I was subjected to a continuing stream of anti-Catholic sentiment, and to this day many of my Calvinist brothers consider an equalizing between Rome and the Whore of Babylon, just as most every Christian group has considered another whom they consider has “departed” from the ‘truth’.

It’s troubling that religious fervour often precludes religious tolerance, but there’s little disputing that either by degree of intensity or quantity of expression Christians of either a Catholic of Protestant persuasion bear the historical stigma of bashing one another to death, defying the very prayer of our mutual LORD, “may all be one” (Jn.17:21).

To my Catholic brethren I submit my apology. I have Catholic friends, and grew up with them. I have black friends, and grew up with them. My friendship does not erase lingering hostilities or enmity between others and myself, it only heightens that I am they and they are me despite our religious or racial differences, and indeed highlights our mutual need of and dependence upon the same Lord Jesus Christ. Religious fervour is a delight for those of us who cry, “Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts!”, but in the hands of us sinners it too often is wielded to terrible action and result. Never was there a time when I did not love Catholics or counter the railings against them by my own, but in holding Catholic-haters as my own I have torn the very fabric of love between all, and continue to do so in spite of myself. Praise God in Christ Jesus that He both purifies and heals individuals and His Church, in part and in whole.

The “Why?” of the thread title is a very complex question having both holy and unholy sources of intent, but where God hath said, “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God”, I am indebted to those Catholics who would forgive me, and am daily challenged to conform my theological fervour to the blessed heart of Christ. I am wrong to try and correct wrongs wrongly, and I am wrong to abide wrongs in need of correcting, but I am wrong to bash either brother or enemy, and rather am humbled to give place unto wrath, for God is Judge.
Thank you for your comment. It rings very true. I am also guilty of bashing Protestants.
But after examining my conscience and calling Jesus’ words to mind, I have asked, and
still ask, forgiveness for my wrongful and negative comments. I pray that all, Catholics,
non-Catholics and non-Christians, all put their predjudices aside and live and act as true
human beings the way our Heavenly Father wants us. Forgive us our sins as** we
forgive those** who sin against us. God Bless

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Thank you for your comment. It rings very true. I am also guilty of bashing Protestants.
But after examining my conscience and calling Jesus’ words to mind, I have asked, and
still ask, forgiveness for my wrongful and negative comments. I pray that all, Catholics,
non-Catholics and non-Christians, all put their predjudices aside and live and act as true
human beings the way our Heavenly Father wants us. Forgive us our sins as** we
forgive those** who sin against us. God Bless

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
Glory Be To The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Amen and amen. Great Javi.
 
I am indebted to those Catholics who would forgive me, and am daily challenged to conform my theological fervour to the blessed heart of Christ. I am wrong to try and correct wrongs wrongly, and I am wrong to abide wrongs in need of correcting, but I am wrong to bash either brother or enemy, and rather am humbled to give place unto wrath, for God is Judge.
And I am indebted to you for this fine post, and your eloquence and charity. 👍
 
I see that today is your first day here at CAF. Stick around and you’ll see plenty of bashing by Catholics. My church has been called all sorts of names, immoral, pagan, post-Christian, and that was just yesterday at here CAF!
Varc, did you know that your name has a *“banned” *label underneath it?
 
I wanted to share a short story with you all that I think ties into this thread nicely. it comes from a book called - 201 Inspirational Stories of the Eucharist. P.S. after I share this story with you all, I will share a link where you can find this book. This book has some very good, inspirational stories, and it is definitely worth the read.

My Fathers Friend

I come from a family of nine children. In an effort to give each of us special time alone with him, my father would invite only one of us at a time to accompany him when he went somewhere. My favorite place to go with my father was to church for adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. Some of my earliest memories are of being in the half-darkened church of my childhood watching my father pray the rosary using his fingers to keep his place. Since my father had a tendency to lose things, he had figured out that barring any major accident, he would never lose his fingers, so he always had a handy rosary with him. As we entered the church, my father would point to the monstrance on the altar and tell me that we had come to talk with our friend, Jesus. Then we would kneel in silence and pray the rosary. My mind wandered, and sometimes I fell asleep. When it was time to go, Dad would wake me and remind me to say good-bye to Jesus before we left the church. When we came into the church for Mass, my father would point to the altar light and whisper in my ear that the light told us Jesus was at home in the tabernacle. I don’t think there was ever a moment of doubt in my heart or mind that Jesus was truly present in the Eucharist because of the loving way my father worshiped the Blessed Sacrament. When I was about six or seven years old, I had my first encounter with someone who wasn’t Catholic. My friend Missy from school was Methodist. I realized then that there were many churches in our town that weren’t Catholic. I asked my dad what made all the churches different and he told me, “Jesus loves every church that believes in Him, and He visits them often. But Jesus lives in our church, body and soul, in the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle.” To this day, every time I enter a Catholic Church for the first time, I search for the altar light that tells me Jesus is home.

Maggie Scheck-Geene Bedford Indiana

www.calledbyjoy.com
 
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