Why do people not married in the Church need annulments?

[1ke]

**No, that isn’t true. ** Only an Catholic Priest or Deacon can make a marriage sacramental.

Two married protestants have a valid marriage, but it not a sacramental marriage.

You are incorrect. The couple confer the Sacrament upon each other, not the priest. The priest or deacon is merely the witness. Two baptized non-Catholics who marry have a valid and sacramental marriage. From the Code of Canon Law:

Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

§2. For this reason, a** valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament**.

 

[Phemie]

**No, that isn’t true. ** Only an Catholic Priest or Deacon can make a marriage sacramental.

Two married protestants have a valid marriage, but it not a sacramental marriage.

In some circumstances, two Catholics will have their marriage witnessed by a lay person in the Catholic Church. Since this is a valid marriage, are you suggesting that it’s non-sacramental?

Any two baptized people in a valid marriage have a sacramental marriage.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Because two people can Marry validly as long as they do soaccording to the rules of their Faith. (and are free to do so according to God’s law) Any valid Marriage between two validly Baptized Christians is a Sacrament.

I guess in today’s world I should say it this way.

Any valid Marriage between two validly Baptized Christians, one male and one female, is a Sacrament.

 

[Prague]

What happens with a marriage when one is not baptized and the other doesn’t know if baptized. Not practicing any faith, but married in the local Protestant church since they wanted a church setting. Never attened any church. Children not baptized either.
They get divorced. One re-marrys a divorced Catholic. Catholics ex. gets annulment.
Does the married Catholic now have to have the unbaptized spouse get annulment too so they can have marriage convalidated?

Hope this makes sense.

 

[onetimeposter]

Any two baptized people in a valid marriage have a sacramental marriage.

Except a Catholic marrying a baptist in a baptist church without a Bishops dispensation.

The answer on the ask the priest thread, makes it clear that the catholic has an invalid marriage…do you guys agree with that?

Thats what the Church teaches, Catholics must get married in a catholic church or get a bishops dispensation to marry outside.

If not, their marriage will be invalid.

Do you guys agree? Or do you believe Catholics can marry in a protestant denomination with dispensation and have a valid marriage?

 

[Just_Lurking]

Phemie;3978418:

Any two baptized people in a valid marriage have a sacramental marriage.

Except a Catholic marrying a baptist in a baptist church without a Bishops dispensation.

A Catholic marrying a Baptist in a Baptist Church without a bishop’s dispensation is in an invalid, and therefore nonsacramental marriage.

Logically speaking, this is not an exception to Phemie’s statement, because that statement only applied to people in a valid marriage, but in your example, the marriage is invalid.

 

[onetimeposter]

A Catholic marrying a Baptist in a Baptist Church without a bishop’s dispensation is in an invalid, and therefore nonsacramental marriage.

Logically speaking, this is not an exception to Phemie’s statement, because that statement only applied to people in a valid marriage, but in your example, the marriage is invalid.

Ok, I learned something new ( two married protestants have a naturally sacramental marriage according to RCC ) and glad we are all on the same page of understanding in relation to the teaching.

 

[Phemie]

Ok, I learned something new ( two married protestants have a naturally sacramental marriage according to RCC ) and glad we are all on the same page of understanding in relation to the teaching.

You’re kind of mixing up terms.

Two married ‘baptized’ Protestants have a sacramental marriage.

Two married ‘non-baptized’ (i.e. Salvation Army, which gets lumped in under the Protestant banner) or one baptized, one non-baptized Protestants (or a Catholic & a non-baptized) have a natural marriage.

 

[onetimeposter]

You’re kind of mixing up terms.

Two married ‘baptized’ Protestants have a sacramental marriage.

Two married ‘non-baptized’ (i.e. Salvation Army, which gets lumped in under the Protestant banner) or one baptized, one non-baptized Protestants (or a Catholic & a non-baptized) have a natural marriage.

Why did someone just claim that all protestant marriages ( 2 protestants man wife) sacramental?

Sacramental means valid and licit…no?

 

[1ke]

Why did someone just claim that all protestant marriages ( 2 protestants man wife) sacramental?

No one claimed “all” protestant marriages were sacramental. All valid marriages between the baptized are also sacraments.

Not all protestants are baptized. So their marriages would not be a Sacrament.

Not all protestant marriages are valid. So, those marriages would not be Sacraments either.

Sacramental means valid and licit…no?

No, that is not what it means.

A marriage can be valid and licit without being a Sacrament.

When two baptized persons marry they confer the Sacrament of Matrimony upon each other. This Sacrament, like all others, is a sign instituted by Christ to confer grace. Those who enter into a Sacrament receive grace from Christ.

Additionally, a marriage that is a Sacrament is indissoluable. A natural marriage can-- in certain cases- be dissolved even if it is valid.

 

[1ke]

Does the married Catholic now have to have the unbaptized spouse get annulment too so they can have marriage convalidated?

Yes. The unbaptized person who was previously married to a person who does not know whether they were baptized or not would have to have their marriage investigated for nullity.

The unbaptized party might also have recourse to the Pauline or Petrine Privilege, in which case a valid marriage is dissolved in favor of the faith.

The couple in question should go see a priest, lay out all the facts, and start the process leading towards convalidation.

 

[brigid12]

Great, thanks, but why would non-Catholic weddings be presumed valid?

For the same reason that all trinitarian baptisms are recognized as valid.

 

[Prague]

1ke Thanks for the info. I will pass it on to my friend.