Why do people vote against their own interests? (American Healthcare reform)

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Hi Lemon,

Are pharmecutical companies allowed to advertise on TV and in print ads in the UK?

Just curious.

Peace,
Trinity
 
I think it is funny that people think the “poor” are harmed without universal health care/insurance. But then forget that the US has federally funded medicaid and ERISA mandates that hospitals treat those who show up for care, and cannot find out whether or not they have insurance or the funds to pay for the care.

Not only is there medicaid, but there are state subsidized plans for those who don’t qualify for medicaid. The way these programs work, is that usually a household has to have a specific income, but the limit for children and pregnant women is lower. So when you really need insurance (like pregnancy and for well child checks) you can get it. So normally my husband and I qualify for the state subsidized insurance, but when I am pregnant I qualify for medicaid, and my child always qualifies for medicaid. And when I say cheap health insurance, I mean cheap. Medicaid is “free” when you visit the doctor and you can pay up to $5 for prescriptions. The state subsidized plan, you pay a $5 co-pay when visiting the doctor and about the same for prescriptions.

The only thing is that you have to actually go and sign up for these programs, If you don’t get around to it, then you are not covered. 🤷 (Of course, if you get sick go and to the hospital, they might try and get you to sign up then, so they can get their bills paid). My husband is not covered by insurance right now. He got sick, and went to a community health clinic where he paid on a sliding scale (ie charity), and where they prescribe generic drugs. I think he paid $87 for an exam, a tetanus shot, and 2 prescriptions. I thought that was pretty good, especially since he was seen the same day he went in. 🤷
 
Our healthcare system is excellent thank you very much, what makes you think we’re complacent and used to substandard care? I’m being accused of talking about what I don’t know but here are all these Americans telling me the NHS is substandard to their system and aren’t proving it. I did a little research about US vs UK healthcare. I think you’ll find its the USA’s healthcare which is substandard and the American people who are complacent.
Just curious, do you know anyone being treated for difficult to diagnose/treat epilepsy?
 
Hi Lemon,

Are pharmecutical companies allowed to advertise on TV and in print ads in the UK?

Just curious.

Peace,
Trinity
I’m not sure what you mean, but we don’t really have adverts for companies exactly. We have adverts for medicines under brandnames though - like Neurofen for example which is basically glorified ibuprofen. The name of the company behind it though is beyond me, I don’t think I could name a single one so I guess we don’t have adverts for companies. Here in the UK a company who provides prescription medicine has to have a contract with the NHS so theres no need I guess for advertisement. Branded over-the-counter medicine that you’d buy in a shop is different though, but theres still no sign of the company behind it.

As to the question about epilepsy - I have met patients with severe epilepsy, but as a student nurse I’ve not been on an epilepsy ward yet so I can’t really say with certainty that I’ve met someone with hard to diagnose epilepsy.
 
The only thing is that you have to actually go and sign up for these programs, If you don’t get around to it, then you are not covered.
And what about the working poor and lower middle class who make too much money to qualify for these programs but not enough to afford insurance? I was among them a few years ago and was hospitalized for three days with a serious illness. I only qualified for partial reduction and the remainder I had to pay was more than half of my annual income. More serious illness and events, like cancer, can easily drive a family into bankruptcy even with insurance. In fact, 62% of all bankrupcty filings are the result of medical bills and 3/4ths of them have insurance. Medical insurance in this country is great until you have a serious illness then you might as well not have insurance at all.
 
Under Obamacare, if the “death panel” judges you not to be worth the treatment, you get nothing but maybe a pain medication and die anyway.

I do not believe that the majority of personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills.
I believe that most of them are due to too much debt and often coupled with a loss of employment.
 
Under Obamacare, if the “death panel” judges you not to be worth the treatment, you get nothing but maybe a pain medication and die anyway…
The so-called government “death panel” is a myth. The true death panels exist within insurance companies. …
I do not believe that the majority of personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills. I believe that most of them are due to too much debt and often coupled with a loss of employment.
You may not wish to believe it but it is true. Harvard conducted an exhaustive study of bankruptcy and their findings and data showed that 62% of bankruptcy filings are medically-related.
 
Why so many issues tackled at once. When you solve a problem at home one prioritizes and moves on to the next step. To completely overhaul our ABOVE standard of healthcare in this country is a huge undertaking due to COST. Nothing is free…including ones faith. You have to work for it…work at it.

Also, I know of family members who have overused their insurance with frivolous procedures covered at 100%. That is greed to me.

COLOR=“Blue”]http://ewross.com/Common-Sense_Healthcare_Reform.htm
Allow people to purchase healthcare insurance across state lines. Currently, employers and employees must choose from a limited number of healthcare insurance plans offered on a state-by-state basis that include coverage for benefits most Americans will never need that drive up policy prices. If people could choose coverage that satisfies their families specific needs from the approximately 1400 plans available nation wide, interstate competition would drive the cost of all healthcare insurance down.

Tort reform. Frivolous malpractice law suits and excessive damage awards by juries force doctors to order unnecessary and duplicative tests and drive up the cost of malpractice insurance. Comprehensive tort reform legislation would contribute greatly to reducing healthcare costs. Trial lawyers are major contributors to the Democratic Party and are the principal obstacle to tort reform.

**Low-cost catastrophic coverage. **There was a time in the United States when healthcare insurance was called “major medical.” It covered hospitalization and prolonged illness. Millions of young, healthy Americans choose not to purchase health insurance because they can’t afford it and don’t believe they need it. Offering them low-cost catastrophic coverage and incentives to purchase it, either through their employer or on the open market, would greatly decrease the number of uninsured in this category.

Pre-existing conditions. Forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions without waiting periods in a non-universal-healthcare environment has its challenges; but they’re not insurmountable. As with auto insurance, government can require healthcare insurance companies to share the risk for people in this category.

Subsidies for the truly needy. A principle of American democracy that the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans agree on is that there must be a safety net for those people not capable taking care of themselves. Federal and state governments should provide subsidies and tax credits for those people to purchase private health insurance. There has always been a tug of war over where government should draw the line in defining the truly needy, but this also isn’t difficult.
 
You may not wish to believe it but it is true. Harvard conducted an exhaustive study of bankruptcy and their findings and data showed that 62% of bankruptcy filings are medically-related.
As this may be a problem, I hardly think throwing money at it in the form of a public option is the solution. It sounds great, free stuff for people…whatever. But if we relieve people of every problem they incur in life, whether it be mortgage or food or health care we are doing ourselves more harm than good. In a sense, if people do not learn to live within their means a bankruptcy is what they deserve in some cases.
 
As this may be a problem, I hardly think throwing money at it in the form of a public option is the solution. It sounds great, free stuff for people…whatever. But if we relieve people of every problem they incur in life, whether it be mortgage or food or health care we are doing ourselves more harm than good. In a sense, if people do not learn to live within their means a bankruptcy is what they deserve in some cases.
You said it better than I. If all is for free then when and where does it stop???It will stop at those that are the least productive in society…
 
You said it better than I. If all is for free then when and where does it stop???It will stop at those that are the least productive in society…
Politically it never will, it’s the corner block of power for the progressive platform and the Democrat party. It’s the biggest problem I see in our political system, more than corruption or anything else.

It’s one thing to run on legislation to help the blue collar worker, it’s another to offer the blue collar worker the money of his fellow citizens. If the democrat party said, they will put laws in place to protect you from price gouging, that might be ok. But they say if the prices get too high we will force someone else to buy it for you.
 
First of all, I am responsible for myself and my family. The government is not doing anything for my own interest, they want power and control over what I feel is right for myself and my family. They believe they know what’s best for me.

By letting government take over the health care system means that they will determine what they can afford to do for me and my healthcare and if it I am eligible to receive a procedure and when I can receive a procedure depending on my lifestyle and age. THAT IS WRONG!

They will end up taxing the people at least 40% of what we make to cover healthcare supposedly for everyone. I should be able to keep my money and do what I need to do for myself an my family.

Does there need to be reform in the healthcare industry? Yes, but not the way Obama wants to do it .
 
And what about the working poor and lower middle class who make too much money to qualify for these programs but not enough to afford insurance? I was among them a few years ago and was hospitalized for three days with a serious illness. I only qualified for partial reduction and the remainder I had to pay was more than half of my annual income. More serious illness and events, like cancer, can easily drive a family into bankruptcy even with insurance. In fact, 62% of all bankrupcty filings are the result of medical bills and 3/4ths of them have insurance. Medical insurance in this country is great until you have a serious illness then you might as well not have insurance at all.
What is the “lower middle class” and “working poor?” My husband has a full time job, but cannot afford to buy health insurance through the company, but he does qualify for a state subsidized company. 🤷 He has a family, so I suppose that helps him qualify. But children can get health insurance when their parents make up to $80,000 (in my state). I don’t consider that lower middle class or working poor. If there is a gap, there are always private charities. I am sure people would help a fellow neighbor pay for cancer treatments if he/she couldn’t (there was a news story in my neck of the woods recently about a woman who was faking cancer (even shaving her head) in order to get people to give her money for the “cancer treatments” she couldn’t afford, because people are generous). But I understand it is hard for people to ask for help.
 
I ask the OP question everytime I see a Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or Barry Obama
 
As this may be a problem, I hardly think throwing money at it in the form of a public option is the solution. It sounds great, free stuff for people…whatever. But if we relieve people of every problem they incur in life, whether it be mortgage or food or health care we are doing ourselves more harm than good. In a sense, if people do not learn to live within their means a bankruptcy is what they deserve in some cases.
It is a prime tenet of liberalism that compassion can only be shown using other people’s money.
 
Good for you. I will extend charity without being forced and I will take care of my own.
If it is a prime tenet of liberalism that compassion can only be shown using other people’s money, I believe that liberalism is wrong.
 
LemonandLime,

Have you even heard what’s happening to people’s premiums sense this bill was enacted? Everyone’s premiums are going up. So not only are you having to pay more in taxes but you are also having to pay more in premiums. How does charging us more for the same level of service (or worse service in some cases) help us? The more money we have to pay out for this the less money we will have to pay for bills, food, clothes and anything else we might need.

This is not what the American people wanted. We wanted REAL health care reform. We wanted the problems in the system to be fixed. This plan will not do that, this is not what the American people signed up for.

Tom is right something like this needs to be done on a state/local level, not on a national level. Health care should be tailor-made to the individual and not just lump everyone into one system.
You are correct, premiums are “a risin”…fact of the matter is I just saw this morning on the news that AARP (which if you remember, backed this health care reform 100%) has hicked their premiums almost double on their employees, part of the rise being attributed to the new bill. I apologize if this has been already noted in this thread, I have to admit, I haven’t read each post entirely. I find it interesting, that AARP is still promoting the new law with all kinds of commercials telling seniors how wonderful it will be, but on the other hand, they have to raise premiums big time.:confused:
They’re now backed into a corner. They thought they’d pay for at least part of the cost of the new law with the new tax hike that they will now have to compromise on with the Republican House. They took a gamble, and …lost.
 
You are correct, premiums are “a risin”…fact of the matter is I just saw this morning on the news that AARP (which if you remember, backed this health care reform 100%) has hicked their premiums almost double on their employees, part of the rise being attributed to the new bill. I apologize if this has been already noted in this thread, I have to admit, I haven’t read each post entirely. I find it interesting, that AARP is still promoting the new law with all kinds of commercials telling seniors how wonderful it will be, but on the other hand, they have to raise premiums big time.:confused:
They’re now backed into a corner. They thought they’d pay for at least part of the cost of the new law with the new tax hike that they will now have to compromise on with the Republican House. They took a gamble, and …lost.
The AARP has pretty much turned into an insurance company. They were just exceited at the prospect of having more clients.
 
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