Why do protestant ministers where the collars of a priest?

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What is so embarrassing about asking the Reverand why he isn’t in the church founded by Christ? Why is it embarrassing? Because he has a title of Reverand?
He shouldn’t be embarrassed by this at all. He should just give a clear cut answer. He must have reasons he cannot post here and I will leave it as that. But that would only show me he has something against the Catholic church.
This thread is not about why one should follow the Catholic Church. Your off topic and should be embarrassed. He on the other hand has acted charitably and did not take your baiting. He should NOT answer a question that is off topic. He owed you no explanation and you owe him and apology.
 
This thread is not about why one should follow the Catholic Church. Your off topic and should be embarrassed. He on the other hand has acted charitably and did not take your baiting. He should NOT answer a question that is off topic. He owed you no explanation and you owe him and apology.
I must applaud you because it takes great love to rebuke a fellow family member as you have done. I can really see that you have a spirit of Justice and that totally aligns with that of our creator. I don’t really get to applaud and celebrate the goodness of Catholics outside my family because most people I work with are Godless.

Now for OTCA she is very zealous for her beliefs I think she needs to take that zealousness and inject love in charity into her delivery. I’m not saying she doesn’t have it but sometimes a little charm school goes along way. Believe me I had my day. Somebody once told me I was like John the Baptist probably without my head! lol

I also got the “Loose Cannon” award too so OTCA I am your brother in suffering 👍
 
I must applaud you because it takes great love to rebuke a fellow family member as you have done. I can really see that you have a spirit of Justice and that totally aligns with that of our creator. I don’t really get to applaud and celebrate the goodness of Catholics outside my family because most people I work with are Godless.

Now for OTCA she is very zealous for her beliefs I think she needs to take that zealousness and inject love in charity into her delivery. I’m not saying she doesn’t have it but sometimes a little charm school goes along way. Believe me I had my day. Somebody once told me I was like John the Baptist probably without my head! lol

I also got the “Loose Cannon” award too so OTCA I am your brother in suffering 👍
Rebuke? No Catholics here rebuke anybody. But some have a problem with my way I defend my church. I do not sugar coat anything. I say it like a spade is a spade.
Did Peter not defend Christ? Did he have a temper in cutting off the Roman soldiers ear? What I am trying to say is Peter didn’t try to talk to the soldiers, but he instead took action with his defense: Simply put:
**“Put on the armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and the powers, against the world leaders of this darkness, against the Spiritual forces of wickedness on high.
Therefore take up the armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and stand in all things perfect.
Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the Breastplate of justice, and having your feet shod with the readiness of the Gospel of peace, in all things taking up the shield of faith, with which you may be able to quench all the fiery darts of the most wicked one. And take unto you the helmet of salvation and the Sword of the Spirit, that is, the Word of God.”

Ephesians 6:11-17

Deo duce ferro comitante (with God as my leader and my sword as my companion). **
 
Rebuke? No Catholics here rebuke anybody. But some have a problem with my way I defend my church. I do not sugar coat anything. I say it like a spade is a spade.
Did Peter not defend Christ? Did he have a temper in cutting off the Roman soldiers ear? What I am trying to say is Peter didn’t try to talk to the soldiers, but he instead took action with his defense: Simply put:
**“Put on the armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and the powers, against the world leaders of this darkness, against the Spiritual forces of wickedness on high.
Therefore take up the armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and stand in all things perfect.
Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the Breastplate of justice, and having your feet shod with the readiness of the Gospel of peace, in all things taking up the shield of faith, with which you may be able to quench all the fiery darts of the most wicked one. And take unto you the helmet of salvation and the Sword of the Spirit, that is, the Word of God.”

Ephesians 6:11-17

Deo duce ferro comitante (with God as my leader and my sword as my companion). **
We are not the enemy, but your brothers and sisters in Christ!

God Bless!
 
He should have been HONEST and specifically said the he can not administer the sacraments of the Catholic Church, but he can pray for the man’s soul.

I do not know what happened to the man - that is not my place to know, only God knows that. But if the family in ANY way thinks this man received the sacrament then they have been horribly deceived.

Perhaps O.S. Luke can fill in the gaps for us.

~Liza
Liza:

I was honest. And I resent your CAPITALIZED and underlining tone.

I don’t know how I could have been clearer - I told them I was Methodist (as I said in my post). They knew I wasn’t Catholic - I told them so. They were desperate to do what they could for their dying father and I told them I would do what I could. So I offered the Service of Healing II with anointing, and without a Eucharist.

This has happened to me twice in 22 years.

I did a year of Clinical Pastoral Education with a Catholic priest as my CPE supervisor, so I think I am well versed and know my place: never pretend you are something you’re not, but never sit and pretend you are nobody… because you are not.

I could have said no to both families and walked on my merry way - after all, I’m not Catholic. Grace and charity seem to say otherwise.

I hope your gaps are filled, Liza.
 
Rebuke? No Catholics here rebuke anybody.
Are you saying I am not Catholic? You really amuse me. I am not being sarcastic I mean it you make me laugh. I admire much of what you write and then there are other times that I shake my head in sadness at least your not lukewarm. Peter did indeed draw a sword then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its sheath, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” I call that a rebuke. Now this post and previous ones have gotten away from the subject at hand to the OP I apologize. I will follow the good example of RevNeal and comment no further on off topic posts.
 
I’ve often wondered this as well. I think the Protestants here have done a great job of defending their dress and I completely agree with them! If the collar helps them spread the use of their religion then I can definitely see why they would wear it.

So much bitterness between Denominations though. In Buddhism, all members of the Sangha wear the simple robes. Some wear the orange robes, some wear yellow, some wear blue. Some who wear orange are Mahayana while others are Theravada. Some who wear blue robes are Zen while others are Pure Land. But none of it matters. They have all taken the monastic vows which gives them the regulations of the sangha and thus, they all recognize their right to wear the robes. Even if they are Theravada, Mahayana, Zen, or Pure Land, all have taken their vows and they respect that of each other.
 
Liza:

I was honest. And I resent your CAPITALIZED and underlining tone.

I don’t know how I could have been clearer - I told them I was Methodist (as I said in my post). They knew I wasn’t Catholic - I told them so. They were desperate to do what they could for their dying father and I told them I would do what I could. So I offered the Service of Healing II with anointing, and without a Eucharist.

This has happened to me twice in 22 years.

I did a year of Clinical Pastoral Education with a Catholic priest as my CPE supervisor, so I think I am well versed and know my place: never pretend you are something you’re not, but never sit and pretend you are nobody… because you are not.

I could have said no to both families and walked on my merry way - after all, I’m not Catholic. Grace and charity seem to say otherwise.

I hope your gaps are filled, Liza.
Bravo!!
 
Aye! Is this what one would call a severe case of “foot in mouth syndrome.” 😛

In Christ,
Andrew
 
You guys are seriously arguing about a collar!? A piece o’ plastic?

Protestent/Christians…just give it to em’…lol…they wore it first…who cares…lol
Agreed. Catholics want credit for every good thing they do. But when something bad happens, it was the “individual”. :rolleyes:
 
How can one be both Catholic and Protestant? :confused:

~Liza
Like our profile says.

There are two of us…one is Catholic, one is Methodist, and we just share the screen name.

Just for clarification, it has been the Catholic one making the posts on this thread.
 
I couldn’t agree with you more.
  1. It doesn’t foster any type of understanding between faiths.
  2. It isn’t productive in anyway.
 
Bolding mine, but looking at his post, he specifically states he told them he wasn’t Catholic. Assuming the person that came running up to him was Catholic, and ***knew ***their faith, they would know that he couldn’t give unction.

Now, there are those cases in hospitals where people are dying, and haven’t adhered to any faith at all, but will grab the first priest/minister they can find.

Based on his statement below, I don’t believe they were deceived.
Liza:

I was honest. And I resent your CAPITALIZED and underlining tone.

I don’t know how I could have been clearer - I told them I was Methodist (as I said in my post). They knew I wasn’t Catholic - I told them so. They were desperate to do what they could for their dying father and I told them I would do what I could. So I offered the Service of Healing II with anointing, and without a Eucharist.

This has happened to me twice in 22 years.

I did a year of Clinical Pastoral Education with a Catholic priest as my CPE supervisor, so I think I am well versed and know my place: never pretend you are something you’re not, but never sit and pretend you are nobody… because you are not.

I could have said no to both families and walked on my merry way - after all, I’m not Catholic. Grace and charity seem to say otherwise.

I hope your gaps are filled, Liza.
We have strayed OT, but when has that ever stopped:p me??

I have been at the opposite end of this story: after open-heart surgery a few years ago, I was in very poor shape, & :(wanted my pastor desperately. He was not able to be there, and I was only able to use (very primitive) sign language, but when one nurse ecxclaimed: “I think she wants a priest!”, I nodded so hard they restrained me for fear of my losing my oxygen(again)…and they brought me a priest. The Catholic priest from St Stanislaus Church in Rochester NY. That wonderful man!!! He treated this :blush:cranky old Methodist lady with the most amazing Christian charity, and, as my dear grandmother would have said: “He prayed Heaven & earth together”! (…and all this after, seeing that he was not my pastor after all, I :eek:swatted the poor man in a:o fit of temper).

Now can we** all** (:cool:cranky old Methodist lady included) get back to the subject of clericals??
 
We have strayed OT, but when has that ever stopped:p me??

I have been at the opposite end of this story: after open-heart surgery a few years ago, I was in very poor shape, & :(wanted my pastor desperately. He was not able to be there, and I was only able to use (very primitive) sign language, but when one nurse ecxclaimed: “I think she wants a priest!”, I nodded so hard they restrained me for fear of my losing my oxygen(again)…and they brought me a priest. The Catholic priest from St Stanislaus Church in Rochester NY. That wonderful man!!! He treated this :blush:cranky old Methodist lady with the most amazing Christian charity, and, as my dear grandmother would have said: “He prayed Heaven & earth together”! (…and all this after, seeing that he was not my pastor after all, I :eek:swatted the poor man in a:o fit of temper).

Now can we** all** (:cool:cranky old Methodist lady included) get back to the subject of clericals??
Amen Sister you are so right and God Bless:thumbsup:
 
Orthodox also wear collars etc. Many Christian traditions have them and have had
them for centuries. Liturgical non-Roman Catholics do not associate a collar with Rome.
Those are usually the branches of protestantism that came more from the radicals or non-conformist.

There are two types of collars.
  1. Tab or “Roman” collar worn by Roman, Orthodox and some Anglican priests.
  2. Slave or “Dog Collar” worn by some Anglicans, Presbyterians, Lutheran and Methodist.
    This one is a solid white collar around the neck on the outside of the collar.
I find #2 uncomfortable and prefer #1. I do not mind if someone mistakes me for
a Roman Catholic Priest or Orthodox Priest. I have been called worst names:D
(simple attempt at humor).

The collar, cassock etc are symbols of our office and makes us symbols of the Church and Christ. It reminds me of who I am and what my responsiblities are to the culture.
Also, wearing a suit and tie (as I did as a Baptist minister) allowed me to blend in when
blending was not needed. A collar, everyone knows who and what you are. As a Baptist, even though I carried a Bible I was still mistaken for a business man. I would have to explain who I was to nurses at the hospital. Walk in with a collar even the protestant nurses are more receptive. Never had patients call out to me as a Baptist. As an Anglican
I have had them call me out of the hallway for prayer or a blessing.

A great conversation starter. Had a great conversation with a Hindu a couple of weeks ago, he came up when he saw my collar and asked questions.

As to ordained females, not all collar protestants ordain women.

We also have the sacrament of Confession. Like the Roman Catholics, not too many Anglicans avail themselves of this blessing.

Hope this helps.

Blessings

Fr.Mark
REC-ACNA
God bless you for your great witness to your faith! 👍
 
“The Church of England’s Enquiry Centre reports (citing the Glasgow Herald of December 6, 1894) that the practice of Anglican clergy wearing a detachable clerical collar was invented by a Rev Dr Donald McLeod[1] and became more popular through the Oxford Movement.”

Citation:
saltforsermons.org.uk/sermon-illustrations/topics/clerical-collar/
This reminds me of Protestants saying that the Deuterocanon books were not included in the canon until Trent. :eek:

Just because the Anglicans adopted it at that time, that does not mean it was not in use by the Roman clerics prior to that.
 
I never have. I usually just wear jeans and a nice shirt, unless I’m preaching or teaching, in which case I wear slacks and a jacket and tie.

I don’t see anything in scripture to support collars or vestments.
It is another good example of the influence of tradition.

It is also a testimony that not everything that pertains to the practice of our faith is found in scripture.
 
The book of Hebrews tells us that Jesus did away with the priestly system and the New Covenant succeeded the Old.
No, kc, the book of Hebrews does not tell us that. It may tell you that, because you are reading it in separation from the Apostolic Succession. On the contrary, the book Hebrews affirms the eternal and Melkezetide priesthood of Christ, and those that are grafted into HIm.
 
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