Why do Protestants accept the NT canon?

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So you don’t consider that which is contained in the Bible to be the Word of God?
No I dont. The Bible is Sacred Scripture and it is part of creation. The Word of God is the second Person of the Trinity, our Lord Jesus Christ, who is not part of creation. The Bible came to be through Christ, whereas Christ is eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God…one in being with the Father. The Bible is none of those things.

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I consider the author to be the Holy Spirit. The human writers were merely the means as to which they were recorded in written form.
You subscribe to the “dictation” theory of biblical inspiration, in which God is the complete and only author of Scripture and Moses, the prophets, the Evangelists and the Apostles basically contributed only the use of their hands.

Under the dictation theory, God is the one choosing all of the words. This creates all kinds of problems. Here’s one:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 1:16[/BIBLEDRB]

Are you prepared to tell us that God is not omniscient because He does not know who Paul baptized or even if Paul baptized anyone?
 
Lastly, sola scriptura …means that the Word of God is the final authority when there is a question or discrepancy.
Authority is something only a person can possess. Inanimate objects cannot exercise authority. It requires understanding, wisdom and the power to act. Scripture simply cannot do these things. A person, or persons must do them. What you mean to say is that whoever has the authority to act must use Scripture alone as the basis for acting in their authoritative capacity.

Who has that authority today?

I predict silence.
 
If one believes that the scriptures are the very words (lowercased) of God spoken through the prophets, Jesus, and apostles; and one also believes that Jesus is God (member of the Godhead), how can one conclude that the scriptures would ever contradict the Word (capital) of God (Jesus), or the Father or the Holy Spirit for that matter?
Interpretations conflict, not words.
If you don’t believe that the scriptures are the very words of God spoken through the prophets, Jesus, and apostles, I guess that is the core difference between us.
I thought you were an ex-Catholic? Of course we believe that.
I’d also be interested to read where Christ condemned sola scriptura.
Sola Scripture is an invention that appeared 1500 years after the last Scripture was penned, so it cannot appear in Scripture. Still, the concept of it can be seen to be rejected in verses like these…

Matt 23: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you–but not what they do.

**2Thess 2: ** Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. 8
 
If you are Protestant, why do you accept the 27 books of the New Testament as being canonical?

Specifically, how did you personally conclude that each of the NT books contained in your Bible are the inspired Word of God and that there are no others that should be included?

Thanks.

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as a former Protestant I believed that the canon comprises apostolic tradition that is unique and normative in relation to later ecclesiastical tradition because the apostolic office is not capable of succession and because I believed that the Church by forming the canon purposefully submitted itself to the witness of the apostles. I also accepted the NT books because i believed that they included the original, earliest tradition of Christianity and that its close spatiotemporal relation to the events of Christianity puts it in a very unique position. I was not willing to concede that tradition provided a source of authoritative teaching independent of scripture but did acknowledge the the role the church played in subsequent interpretation of scripture, i just did not recognize the historical importance of tradition in contributing to the formation and substance of the canon as supporting the Catholic position on tradition.
 
You subscribe to the “dictation” theory of biblical inspiration, in which God is the complete and only author of Scripture and Moses, the prophets, the Evangelists and the Apostles basically contributed only the use of their hands.
I believe that Muslims believe that this is the method in which the Koran was written. Allah dictated the words directly to Mohammed, who simply wrote them down.
 
You subscribe to the “dictation” theory of biblical inspiration, in which God is the complete and only author of Scripture and Moses, the prophets, the Evangelists and the Apostles basically contributed only the use of their hands.

Under the dictation theory, God is the one choosing all of the words. This creates all kinds of problems. Here’s one:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 1:16[/BIBLEDRB]

Are you prepared to tell us that God is not omniscient because He does not know who Paul baptized or even if Paul baptized anyone?
Actually, I do not subscribe to Dictation. Wayne Grudem sums up pretty well what I believe in his book on Systematic Theology…

“God’s providential oversight and direction of the life of each author was such that their personalities, their backgrounds and training, their abilities to evaluate events in the world around them, their access to historical data, their judgment with regard to the accuracy of information, and their individual circumstances when they wrote, were all exactly what God wanted them to be, so that when they actually came to the point of putting pen to paper, the words were fully their own words but also fully the words that God wanted them to write, words that God would also claim as His own.”

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Authority is something only a person can possess. Inanimate objects cannot exercise authority. It requires understanding, wisdom and the power to act. Scripture simply cannot do these things. A person, or persons must do them. What you mean to say is that whoever has the authority to act must use Scripture alone as the basis for acting in their authoritative capacity.

Who has that authority today?

I predict silence.
If all scripture is God breathed (2 Tim 3:16), wouldn’t that make God the authority?

The physical writing of words may be inanimate but the meaning those words hold and convey is not because it is the author that is speaking and not the book itself.

The book, the paper, the carved rock or tablet, an email, this post, those are all “inanimate” but the author is not.
 
“God’s providential oversight and direction of the life of each author was such that their personalities, their backgrounds and training, their abilities to evaluate events in the world around them, their access to historical data, their judgment with regard to the accuracy of information, and their individual circumstances when they wrote, were all exactly what God wanted them to be, so that when they actually came to the point of putting pen to paper, the words were fully their own words but also fully the words that God wanted them to write, words that God would also claim as His own.”
So God chose the words, and God is not a liar, so God doesn’t know who Paul baptized, so God is not omniscient and therefore is not God? That’s impossible. Take your “systematic theology” book back for a refund.
 
Interpretations conflict, not words.

I thought you were an ex-Catholic? Of course we believe that.

Sola Scripture is an invention that appeared 1500 years after the last Scripture was penned, so it cannot appear in Scripture. Still, the concept of it can be seen to be rejected in verses like these…

Matt 23: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you–but not what they do.

**2Thess 2: ** Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, **either by an oral statement **or by a letter of ours. 8
I’m not really sure what these verses prove? People can still learn from other people (rabbi, pastor, brother, etc). It’s when that rabbi, pastor, brother, etc goes against scripture that you should stand firm.
 
If all scripture is God breathed (2 Tim 3:16), wouldn’t that make God the authority?
God would need to have some way to speak with you directly (uhm, like maybe through the Mass and the Sacraments?) to explain to you what He meant in His word the Bible.
The physical writing of words may be inanimate but the meaning those words hold and convey is not because it is the author that is speaking and not the book itself.
Yes, but with “sola Scriptura” all you’ve got is the book - you have no direct access to the Author of the book, to ask Him what it means, when you come to the tricky parts.
The book, the paper, the carved rock or tablet, an email, this post, those are all “inanimate” but the author is not.
Right - but God isn’t writing e-mail here - we can’t write back in response to the Bible, and have Him write back, "No, no - that’s not what I meant. Here, let me show you … "
 
So God chose the words, and God is not a liar, so God doesn’t know who Paul baptized, so God is not omniscient and therefore is not God? That’s impossible. Take your “systematic theology” book back for a refund.
If you don’t think the words in the Bible are God’s words, maybe I should let you borrow my book instead of returning it. 😃
 
Absolutely. I understand and can appreciate that perspective completely. However, reality is a delicate balancing act no matter which side of the fence you’re on because the opposite statement could easily be made: If it isn’t in the Bible, declaring it as part of the Truth opens the door to all kinds of heresy.

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Prior to the advent of Sola Scriptura in the early 1500s AD, there were a total of fifteen heresies, over a period of 1500 years.

Afterwards, we can’t even count the number of heresies that have sprung up from the seed of "Hey, I think the Bible says … " Some people believe that there are as many as 40,000 distinct Christian heresies based on the principle of Sola Scriptura. There are at least five varieties of Mormonism, alone.
 
I believe that Muslims believe that this is the method in which the Koran was written. Allah dictated the words directly to Mohammed, who simply wrote them down.
I thought Mohammed was illiterate
 
God would need to have some way to speak with you directly (uhm, like maybe through the Mass and the Sacraments?) to explain to you what He meant in His word the Bible.
Certainly there are other ways to speak to/with God. If not, how did people speak to/with God before the Mass and Sacraments existed?
 
Prior to the advent of Sola Scriptura in the early 1500s AD, there were a total of fifteen heresies, over a period of 1500 years.

Afterwards, we can’t even count the number of heresies that have sprung up from the seed of "Hey, I think the Bible says … " Some people believe that there are as many as 40,000 distinct Christian heresies based on the principle of Sola Scriptura. There are at least five varieties of Mormonism, alone.
Consider what the punishment for heresy (perceived or actual) was during those 1500 years and that is your answer.
 
Certainly there are other ways to speak to/with God. If not, how did people speak to/with God before the Mass and Sacraments existed?
They didn’t - God communicated with Israel through the Prophets, and with the Gentiles by means of their mythology and philosophy.
 
Consider what the punishment for heresy (perceived or actual) was during those 1500 years and that is your answer.
That isn’t what suddenly changed in the early 1500s.

Although there were more Protestants burning each other at the stake, than Catholics burning anyone at all at the stake, until it was outlawed, after the French Revolution.
 
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