Why do protestants believe in Bible only?

[joe371]

JonNC;10932074]Hi Joe,
The correct books is an interesting concept. Correct for what purpose.

The purpose of God’s will. I only want to be reading those books inspired by God.

The CC, from why I gather, does not consider the additional books in Orthodox canons to be Church dividing. Why is that?

Perhaps to cling to things that can unite as opposed to divide? There is enough to contend with e.g. the papacy etc…That’s a good point though Jon.

A guess would be that some books have liturgical usage. I actually agree with this, and from a Lutheran perspective, taking into account the level of dispute, or acceptance of particular books seems prudent. So, Luther’s inclusion of the Prayer of Manasseh in his translation is a good thing.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

Only if I am understanding you correctly: If this is true then the CC is doing what Jesus never intended - right?

Too broad a statement, Joe. In terms of the supremacy of the western patriarch, the role ascribed by the Catholic Church is greater than that in scripture, but more importantly, that designated to him by the early Church.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

=joe371;10940746]The purpose of God’s will. I only want to be reading those books inspired by God.

Gee, Joe, now you sound sola scripturist. . What would be wrong with reading and studying the Didache, for example, or 3 Macc? From the Lutheran view, because within the historic Church there has been dispute about certain books, we treat those books more cautiously regarding doctrine than we do the universally attested books. It is a respect for the Church and its assessment over the centuries that we look at. That is what I am talking about.

Perhaps to cling to things that can unite as opposed to divide? There is enough to contend with e.g. the papacy etc…That’s a good point though Jon.

Thanks,

Jon

 

[KingJohn]

It’s funny, I say I don’t trust in man and everyone here pounces on me.

Let’s agree to disagree. I believe we should trust in Jesus 100%, he even said that Prophets are dictated by HIS will, not their own. They are driven by the HOLY spirit, not their own spirit. It’s God in them.

 

[dronald]

It’s funny, I say I don’t trust in man and everyone here pounces on me.

Let’s agree to disagree. I believe we should trust in Jesus 100%, he even said that Prophets are dictated by HIS will, not their own. They are driven by the HOLY spirit, not their own spirit. It’s God in them.

It’s all about Jesus, always. No one else.

1 corin 3:21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

It’s funny, I say I don’t trust in man and everyone here pounces on me.

Let’s agree to disagree. I believe we should trust in Jesus 100%, he even said that Prophets are dictated by HIS will, not their own. They are driven by the HOLY spirit, not their own spirit. It’s God in them.

Sigh… At times I wonder why do some people need to feel victimized - or believe to be…

And still here you are, trying to get acceptance from man…

You asked and we answered, you didn’t like the answer so “everyone” here is pouncing on you. Everyone? All the posters in Catholic Answers are pouncing on you because you said that you don’t trust in man? There’s not even 1,000 posts on this thread and everyone is pouncing on you…

[bibledrb]Luke 11:23[/bibledrb]

You are welcome to come gather with Jesus and us, lowly man of the earth. It is you however, who wants to do it on your own.

Whoever does not gather with Jesus, scatters… in other words - separates from His Church…

 

[KingJohn]

And still here you are, trying to get acceptance from man…

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

I don’t need your acception, or man’s acception.

You are welcome to come gather with Jesus and us, lowly man of the earth. It is you however, who wants to do it on your own.

Whoever does not gather with Jesus, scatters… in other words - separates from His Church…

Romans 10:9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

 

[KingJohn]

It’s all about Jesus, always. No one else.

1 corin 3:21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

God bless you.

 

[pablope]

It’s funny, I say I don’t trust in man and everyone here pounces on me.

You don’t trust in man…yet you trust in yourself…a man…so what does that make you?

God, in the OT and the NT, has always used men for His purposes…though flawed.

Have you wondered why He chose Peter, a man full of flaws, on which to build His Church?

Let’s agree to disagree. I believe we should trust in Jesus 100%, he even said that Prophets are dictated by HIS will, not their own. They are driven by the HOLY spirit, not their own spirit. It’s God in them.

 

[KingJohn]

You don’t trust in man…yet you trust in yourself…a man…so what does that make you?

 

[KingJohn]

Also, I don’t trust myself, I trust Christ. Big difference.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

I don’t need your acception, or man’s acception.

Romans 10:9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

It’s not about you or me. It is about Christ. Should others trust in the message you carry? Does Christ not call you to spread the Good News? Would you not want to be accepted to deliver the message of Christ? Does man not need to know about Christ? Would you carry the message to man?

Oh if you only truly see how your posts come across.

 

[pablope]

pablope;10941286:

I’m not rejecting him, in fact you are speculating off of scriptures where the Church IS NOT MENTIONED.

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Luke 10:
Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road…16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Those Jesus sent, the apostles…built the church of Christ as He commissioned them.

The passage say…if you reject those he sent…you are in effect rejecting Him also.

If you reject the work of those He sent…who built Christ’s Church…then you are rejecting Christ also.

That passage from Luke 10 is clear.

John 15:

26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

And those He sent will testify about Him, the truth…guided by the Holy Spirit.

I choose Jesus. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t damn me to hell. If that’s your view, stick with it.

I do me, I do what I believe in. You can do what you believe in

Where did I or anyone here say you are damned to hell? You asked for Scripture passages…we provided them, yet you still stick your one man view of yourself…

You don’t trust in man…yet you trust in yourself…a man…so what does that make you?

 

[pablope]

Also, I don’t trust myself, I trust Christ. Big difference.

You don’t trust yourself? Yet you say this…“I do me, I do what I believe in.”

You just contradicted yourself…you do what you believe in is trusting in yourself.

How do you manifest your trust in Christ? By trusting and believing in yourself?

 

[pablope]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

I don’t need your acception, or man’s acception.

Romans 10:9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

Perhaps…you forgot these other passages as well:

Matthew 7:21
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Or from Romans 11:

20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Or from Heb 10:

36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

 

[joe371]

Too broad a statement, Joe. In terms of the supremacy of the western patriarch, the role ascribed by the Catholic Church is greater than that in scripture, but more importantly, that designated to him by the early Church.

Jon

I can’t really agree on either. Scripture seems pretty clear and the ECF quotes I have (many) seem to defend the position. :shrug:However, if you are right then the western patriarch (past and present) has overstepped his bounds, as did the church to which he belonged, and now belongs. it is either what Jesus willed or it is not. if it is not then I suppose the the Orthodox churches would be the next logical consideration. However, I find many problems with the way they function. Hope you are well my friend.

 

[joe371]

JonNC;10940894]Gee, Joe, now you sound sola scripturist. . What would be wrong with reading and studying the Didache, for example, or 3 Macc?

LOL…Nothing. I have! However, i would rather focus on the inspired works.

From the Lutheran view, because within the historic Church there has been dispute about certain books, we treat those books more cautiously regarding doctrine than we do the universally attested books. It is a respect for the Church and its assessment over the centuries that we look at. That is what I am talking about.

 

[JonNC]

=joe371;10941524]I can’t really agree on either. Scripture seems pretty clear and the ECF quotes I have (many) seem to defend the position.

The position of universal jurisdiction and infallibility ex cathedra? Joe, if this were so obvious from the Early Church, it would never have been a Church-dividing issue.

However, if you are right then the western patriarch (past and present) has overstepped his bounds, as did the church to which he belonged, and now belongs. it is either what Jesus willed or it is not. if it is not then I suppose the the Orthodox churches would be the next logical consideration. However, I find many problems with the way they function.

Again, I think it is more grey, less black and white. But all of us try to do what the savior wills, and sometimes we fail. And of course, I am not the expert, and maybe the Orthodox are wrong about this. Maybe their ecclesiology is lacking as well. The only answer is for the Church, together, to solve the differences.

Hope you are well my friend.

Thanks, Joe. Recovery is finally starting to be positive.

Jon

 

[eggsbenedictine]

Ahh, sola scriptura. What’s interesting about that is that the fallible RCC originally compiled the bible in terms of what was canonical and what wasnt. But if the Church isn’t infallible regarding this matter also, then your bible might be wrong, or maybe this decision was the one and only time it’s ever been infallible…

 

[JonNC]

Ahh, sola scriptura. What’s interesting about that is that the fallible RCC originally compiled the bible in terms of what was canonical and what wasnt. But if the Church isn’t infallible regarding this matter also, then your bible might be wrong, or maybe this decision was the one and only time it’s ever been infallible…

This might be the case, since the Church that, as you say, compiled scripture even today has differing canons, since the compiling took place before the Great Schism

Jon