Why do protestants believe in Bible only?

[Cak7711]

You make a point that Popes were corrupt in the middle ages. SO your telling me that all members in your church, better yet the pastors at your Church never commit a sin? IF they don’t man, you guys are sure blessed to not have any sinners at your church.

The Chirch is composed of sinners and saints, unfortunately we have more sinners than Saints, but bc of that reason you are not going to stop going to Church. If your neighbor goes to the same church as you, and he commits all types of sins, that should not demoralize you, bc your not going to heaven or hell for what your neighbor does.

We treat the Blessed Virgin with the love that she deserves. She is the Ark of the New Convenant, if you don’t think so look at the parralels between 2Samuel 6:1-17 to Luke 1:39-56. You can then see in 1 Chronicles in Chapters 15 and 16 how the people of jerusalem celebrated and venerated the Ark.

On infant baptism, you can see how infants had to be circumcised, as early as Genesis.

1. That is not what I meant, I was making a point that the pope cannot speak ex cathidra. The pope is like all of us and doesn’t have the authority to speak ex cathidra.
2. I think calling her the new ark is going a little far. We needed the ark to make sacrifices to the lord so we could be saved. God said Mary is blessed among women and she would be blessed for generations; and I agree with that. though, I think the church goes to far. they treat her the same as they treat Jesus. They bow to Mary and they bow to Jesus, they prey to Mary and they prey to Jesus. The pope that was almost killed (I forget his name) thanked Mary for his survival. I think this is wrong, marry didn’t to anything, it is by gods grace he survived not Mary’s.
3. Circumcision was not done to accept God like baptism. It was done to set the Israelite people apart from the rest of the world. To get baptized you must accept and believe in Christ, an infant cannot do this.

 

[Razanir]

1. Some teaching of the church contradict what the Jesus teaches. This is not my opinion this is a factual observation. For instance, the church teaches that if you sin after being baptized you have to confess your sins to a priest in order to be forgiven. Jesus doesn’t teach this, he gives the apostles the ability to forgive sins of his behalf, but you don’t have to do this in order to be saved. You only have to confess to God and repent.

James 5:14-16: "14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 Timothy 6:12: “12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.”

John 20:22-23: "22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." ← Especially notable because “the only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord “breathes” divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.” (scripturecatholic.com)

As a side note, all those quotes are from the King James Version, which, along with Deuterocanon, is exceedingly fun to use when debating theology with Protestants.

1. I don’t think the church should have died. I just don’t think the original authority given to Peter and the apostles should be passed down; Jesus nor Peter proclaimed this. I do think that the church need a leader, and that lead can be the pope, but that pope doesn’t have the authority of Peter. The pope cannot add traditions to what peter already created.

What about all the other apostles? Surely they added traditions as well… Most of the Epistles were actually written by Paul, NOT by Peter

 

[CyndiTo411]

1. That is not what I meant, I was making a point that the pope cannot speak ex cathidra. The pope is like all of us and doesn’t have the authority to speak ex cathidra.
2. I think calling her the new ark is going a little far. We needed the ark to make sacrifices to the lord so we could be saved. God said Mary is blessed among women and she would be blessed for generations; and I agree with that. though, I think the church goes to far. they treat her the same as they treat Jesus. They bow to Mary and they bow to Jesus, they prey to Mary and they prey to Jesus. The pope that was almost killed (I forget his name) thanked Mary for his survival. I think this is wrong, marry didn’t to anything, it is by gods grace he survived not Mary’s.
3. Circumcision was not done to accept God like baptism. It was done to set the Israelite people apart from the rest of the world. To get baptized you must accept and believe in Christ, an infant cannot do this.

We bow to Mary in reverence not worship. Our prayers are intercessory not for worship I understand why protestants think we worship Mary I really do but it is not true you can scream and shout all day we do but the fact of the matter is WE DONT WORSHIP HER. Also circumcision was done for the chold to enter the covenant which was later sealed by the mitzvah, same applies to baptism the child is baptized to enter into the new covenant with Christ it is the duty of the parent and Godparent to grow the child in faith and through Confirmation we are sealed in our covenant when we accept the gift of Holy Spirit.

 

[dronald]

You say that no protestant denominations say that you can go sin and you’ll be saved. I believe that Evangelicals have the once saved always saved dogma. No were does it say in the Bible that humans decide whose saved and whose condemned. But somehow Evangelicals (who are Protestants btw) preach that once you say the Sinner’s Prayer your saved no matte what state you are in, in regards to sin.

We cannot drop this bc theirs several verses in the bible besides that of James, which speak that we are not only judged by faith but for our actions.

Jesus Christ alone saves us. Works do not save us, although we are commanded to do works, so we do them. You hardly addressed anything I typed.

 

[Razanir]

1. That is not what I meant, I was making a point that the pope cannot speak ex cathidra. The pope is like all of us and doesn’t have the authority to speak ex cathidra.
2. I think calling her the new ark is going a little far. We needed the ark to make sacrifices to the lord so we could be saved. God said Mary is blessed among women and she would be blessed for generations; and I agree with that. though, I think the church goes to far. they treat her the same as they treat Jesus. They bow to Mary and they bow to Jesus, they prey to Mary and they prey to Jesus. The pope that was almost killed (I forget his name) thanked Mary for his survival. I think this is wrong, marry didn’t to anything, it is by gods grace he survived not Mary’s.
3. Circumcision was not done to accept God like baptism. It was done to set the Israelite people apart from the rest of the world. To get baptized you must accept and believe in Christ, an infant cannot do this.

1. Please start using spell check. Pray not prey, for one example
2. I’m assuming you’ve asked people to pray for you. If you have, you’ve prayed to them. In fact, it doesn’t have to be asking them to pray for you. “To pray” originally just meant “to ask.” Only recently has it gained connotations of deific worship.

 

[chero23]

1. That is not what I meant, I was making a point that the pope cannot speak ex cathidra. The pope is like all of us and doesn’t have the authority to speak ex cathidra.
2. I think calling her the new ark is going a little far. We needed the ark to make sacrifices to the lord so we could be saved. God said Mary is blessed among women and she would be blessed for generations; and I agree with that. though, I think the church goes to far. they treat her the same as they treat Jesus. They bow to Mary and they bow to Jesus, they prey to Mary and they prey to Jesus. The pope that was almost killed (I forget his name) thanked Mary for his survival. I think this is wrong, marry didn’t to anything, it is by gods grace he survived not Mary’s.
3. Circumcision was not done to accept God like baptism. It was done to set the Israelite people apart from the rest of the world. To get baptized you must accept and believe in Christ, an infant cannot do this.

Yes your right, the pope is human just like you and me. He was born from a woman, just like you and me. He has committed sins just like you and me, but here’s the interesting part, so was Peter. Peter even denied our lord on 3 different occasions and was still head of the apostles. Look, in the bible it states that god will have a kingdom in earth. Peter was the first leader of that church. As we see in the Old Testament, when Moses died Joshua succeeded him. When David dies his son Solomon takes over. Remember Jesus says I will be with my church til the end of the world. If Peter was set up as that king, or leader don’t you think from the bible that when Peter died somebody succeeded him? If that’s not the case then Jesus lied.

The pope that you refer to is pope John Paul II. Yes, he said that thanks to the blessed mothers intercession he was saved. Just like she interceded and helped Jesus with his first glorious act.

So if circumcision was not to accept god, why does the New Testament say that baptism is the new circumcision? If their not related why was that parallel given?

 

[rfournier103]

Jesus Christ alone saves us. Works do not save us, although we are commanded to do works, so we do them. QUOTE]

We are saved by God’s grace alone. No matter what we do or what we believe, ultimately God must decide if we make the cut. We can only do our best to live and believe as Christ taught us. After that, it’s out of our hands.

PS: This is my 900th post!!! YAY FOR ME!!!

 

[Cak7711]

We don’t HAVE to confess our sins to a priest we have the privilege of going to a priest confessing our sins to GOD and hear the words of forgiveness through the priest. Could you please explain to me what teachings cotradict Christ I seriously dont know

The Catholic church does in fact say that if you commit a mortal sin you must confess it to a priest in order to be forgiven. This contradicts what Jesus taught in john 3:16 and mark 16:16. After you are baptized are forgiven of all your sins, now and in the future. He said that only God and himself could forgive sin, look at mark chapter two. later he gave his apostles the ability to forgive sin on earth, not all future priests.

 

[chero23]

The Catholic church does in fact say that if you commit a mortal sin you must confess it to a priest in order to be forgiven. This contradicts what Jesus taught in john 3:16 and mark 16:16. After you are baptized are forgiven of all your sins, now and in the future. He said that only God and himself could forgive sin, look at mark chapter two. later he gave his apostles the ability to forgive sin on earth, not all future priests.

So if he only gave authority to the apostles, why were they teaching to other men, and anointing them to become priests? Remember Jesus said my church will be forever. In order for their to be a church a priest must lead it.

 

[Cak7711]

dronald;10911402:

Jesus Christ alone saves us. Works do not save us, although we are commanded to do works, so we do them. QUOTE]

We are saved by God’s grace alone. No matter what we do or what we believe, ultimately God must decide if we make the cut. We can only do our best to live and believe as Christ taught us. After that, it’s out of our hands.

PS: This is my 900th post!!! YAY FOR ME!!!

That is false, Jesus said we must believe in him and get baptized to be saved. He also said we must repent for our sins before God. If you do not believe Jesus in Christ you will not be saved. It is entirely in your hands. God did his part, he gave his only begotten son. It is up to you whether your not you go to him.

 

[Cak7711]

So if he only gave authority to the apostles, why were they teaching to other men, and anointing them to become priests? Remember Jesus said my church will be forever. In order for their to be a church a priest must lead it.

Of course, they taught other people to be priests and carry on Jesus’ church. But they didn’t give those priest the ability to forgive sins. Nor did Jesus or Peter say that we must repent to the apostles to be forgiven; it was just one way you could do it.

 

[CyndiTo411]

Jesus Christ alone saves us. Works do not save us, although we are commanded to do works, so we do them. You hardly addressed anything I typed.

Matthew 7:21-23 yes Jesus alone saves us with his blood but our faith in Christ is what moves us to do good works not because its commanded. Works must be done with a true loving heart what good is it to have faith if you do works eye-rolling every minute because you feel forced to do them?

 

[dronald]

We are saved by God’s grace alone. No matter what we do or what we believe, ultimately God must decide if we make the cut. We can only do our best to live and believe as Christ taught us. After that, it’s out of our hands.

PS: This is my 900th post!!! YAY FOR ME!!!

We are saved through Jesus Christ. We are saved by God’s grace and not by works, so that none of us can boast. Do you actually disagree with this?

 

[dronald]

Matthew 7:21-23 yes Jesus alone saves us with his blood but our faith in Christ is what moves us to do good works not because its commanded. Works must be done with a true loving heart what good is it to have faith if you do works eye-rolling every minute because you feel forced to do them?

This is exactly what I believe.

 

[Cak7711]

James 5:14-16: "14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 Timothy 6:12: “12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.”

John 20:22-23: "22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." ← Especially notable because “the only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord “breathes” divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.” (scripturecatholic.com)

As a side note, all those quotes are from the King James Version, which, along with Deuterocanon, is exceedingly fun to use when debating theology with Protestants.

What about all the other apostles? Surely they added traditions as well… Most of the Epistles were actually written by Paul, NOT by Peter

All of those quotes are things you should do, but not necessary to be saved. Also the king James version is exactly like the catholic bible except it doesn’t have Maccabees. The other apostles did add things. Only the traditions of the apostles should be practiced not others.

 

[CyndiTo411]

The Catholic church does in fact say that if you commit a mortal sin you must confess it to a priest in order to be forgiven. This contradicts what Jesus taught in john 3:16 and mark 16:16. After you are baptized are forgiven of all your sins, now and in the future. He said that only God and himself could forgive sin, look at mark chapter two. later he gave his apostles the ability to forgive sin on earth, not all future priests.

so by your standards I can get baptized and then go out on a killing spree and its okay because I have been baptized so I will still be saved. Wow the irrationality OSAS you gotta love it

So the forgiveness of sins was only a temporary deal ok got it that makes total sense

 

[CyndiTo411]

This is exactly what I believe.

Really? because you make it sound like its extra baggage and bothersome. And if you agree with my post then faith without works is in fact dead and they are in fact necessary for salvation. I mean faith +works= salvation not works alone ok just to be clear.

 

[rfournier103]

We are saved through Jesus Christ. We are saved by God’s grace and not by works, so that none of us can boast. Do you actually disagree with this?

Didn’t Jesus die so we may all be redeemed? Do you believe there is a difference between Redemption and Salvation?

Of course I do not believe in “salvation by works”. There are many Atheists who to many good things and I think that their souls are in great peril because they deny God, and deny Jesus.

Faith in Jesus is more than just believeing that He exists, and died for us. We are called to be Christ-like. To worship Him. To worship PUBLICLY. To keep the Commandments. To be baptized. And as I said before, to love one another… the GREATEST Commandment.

Because of my FAITH in Jesus Christ, I DO all of these things because HE commands me to do them. I pray that one day God the Father and His Son may find me worthy of their GRACE, and allow me to join them in Heaven. Not because I earned it of my own accord, but because THEY decided it should be so.

 

[CyndiTo411]

Didn’t Jesus die so we may all be redeemed? Do you believe there is a difference between Redemption and Salvation?

Of course I do not believe in “salvation by works”. There are many Atheists who to many good things and I think that their souls are in great peril because they deny God, and deny Jesus.

Faith in Jesus is more than just believeing that He exists, and died for us. We are called to be Christ-like. To worship Him. To worship PUBLICLY. To keep the Commandments. To be baptized. And as I said before, to love one another… the GREATEST Commandment.

Because of my FAITH in Jesus Christ, I DO all of these things because HE commands me to do them. I pray that one day God the Father and His Son may find me worthy of their GRACE, and allow me to join them in Heaven. Not because I earned it of my own accord, but because THEY decided it should be so.

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You could not have said it better THANK YOU!!!

 

[rfournier103]

I am curious as to what denomination the Protestant posters here belong to. Presbyterian? Baptist? Methodist? Anything?

Do you belong to a church, or are you TRULY Bible-only (you yourself and your Bible)?