Why do Protestants desire to marry Catholics?

[guanophore]

I was once engaged to a Catholic. Even though I disagree on many things Catholic,

What might those be?

 

[awantz]

When you said that you disagreed, you were disagreeing with this post;

So this is why I thought that you think there is more than one church. This poster, francesco920, says that there is just one church, and then you say you disagree. So if that is not the case, then could you please specify as to what exactly in that post are you in disagreement?

I do disagree with that post, but not that part of the post. I disagree with pretty much everything else. I do not believe that only Catholics are part of the one church and I know Catholics who agree. I was told by a Catholic that this is Vaticcan one. I agree that Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, not many churches.
I disagree that there is no salvation outside of the Holy Catholic and Apistolic Church. I agree that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body.
I disagree that it is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

 

[Syele]

What might those be?

I think it’s a bit off topic, really. Plus I’ve answered it in many other threads. if you want to discuss it ore we could start another thread I suppose.

 

[jediliz]

My brother in law was raised Lutheran, but has been Catholic for just over 7 years now.

Its possible some admire the faith of Catholics? Or they might desire Catholicism?

 

[AlegreFe]

I do not believe that only Catholics are part of the one church and I know Catholics who agree.

Well then you should’ve said this is part of the post with which you disagree.

Catholics who are in the “one church” are the only ones part of the Catholic Church. I think the part which could be misunderstood is the part that says that only we are the ones who are saved. That is not true. God knows which believers are part of the Body of Christ.

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”

You already know about the Gospel, which means that you know of Jesus Christ. Do you know the Holy Spirit? We are trying to tell you about the Church that Jesus Christ built. The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church through the successor of Peter. You just choose to be “closed off” to the fact that the Catholic Church is the one that Jesus built on Peter the Rock.

CCC - Who belongs to the Catholic Church?
836 “All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of
God… and to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the
Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all
mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.”

837 “Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are
those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the
means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire
organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the
profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical
government, and communion - are joined in the visible
structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the
Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated
into the Church, one who does not however persevere in
charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the
Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’”

838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to
the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do
not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not
preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.”
Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized
are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the
Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this
communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the
fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s
Eucharist.”

I truly believe that we should all be part of the Catholic Church since we have Jesus in the Eucharist here. Jesus commanded that we all partake of His Body and Blood. The only place you can do that is right here in the Catholic Church.

 

[awantz]

You already know about the Gospel, which means that you know of Jesus Christ. Do you know the Holy Spirit? We are trying to tell you about the Church that Jesus Christ built. The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church through the successor of Peter. You just choose to be “closed off” to the fact that the Catholic Church is the one that Jesus built on Peter the Rock.

Yes, I know the Holy Spirit and I know about the church that Jesus built. It is His body. I am a part of His body.The Holy Spirit guides me and my church as well. I wouldn’t attend it if the Holy Spirit wasn’t present. As a matter of fact the reason why I choose not to join the Catholic church is because I feel the presence of the Holy Spirit more at my church than I do at the Catholic church I attend every week with my husband. I know Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic church.

CCC - Who belongs to the Catholic Church?
836 “All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of
God… and to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the
Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all
mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.”

837 “Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are
those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the
means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire
organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the
profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical
government, and communion - are joined in the visible
structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the
Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated
into the Church, one who does not however persevere in
charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the
Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’”

838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to
the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do
not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not
preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.”
Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized
are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the
Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this
communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the
fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s
Eucharist.”
That sounds like I am either Catholic or in unity with the Catholic church. That is the impression I get from what is written above. I have not gone through conformation and first communion. So, I know I am not Catholic, but that doesn’t rule out the fact that I as well as others like me should be united with the Catholic church. When, we are rejected by the Catholic church.

I truly believe that we should all be part of the Catholic Church since we have Jesus in the Eucharist here. Jesus commanded that we all partake of His Body and Blood.
Agreed

The only place you can do that is right here in the Catholic Church.
Disagree

 

[KarenNC]

Mary is not the spouse of God the Father, but she is the spouse of God the Holy Spirit (the Holy Spirit is God).

So, to summarize, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary is the spouse of both Joseph and the Holy Spirit (not clear on whether this is at the same time or sequentially), but mother (and non-divine sister) of God the Son whose Father is God the Father who is not either of the spouses of Mary, though God the Father/God the Son/God the Holy Spirit are all really one God? And people think that polytheism is too complicated to be true?

 

[AlegreFe]

As a matter of fact the reason why I choose not to join the Catholic church is because I feel the presence of the Holy Spirit more at my church than I do at the Catholic church I attend every week with my husband. I know Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic church.

(emphasis added)

This is part of a huge problem. Faith is not about “feelings” that we get while at Mass. And your faith should not be about your feelings that you get while you attend Sunday Service. If you really believe that you have FAITH, then you would not have to rely on feelings to “bring the faith to you.” That is not how Faith works. Faith is a Gift from God. It is an act of the WILL. You yourself are deciding NOT to have any kind of Faith when you attend a Catholic Mass. I am asking you, please, if you ever attend a Catholic Mass again, please do not rely on your feelings, just let God take over. Pray and give yourself over to God. Pray to the Holy Spirit and don’t have any preconceived notions when it comes to the Catholic faith. You seem to already decide not to “have faith” when you attend a Catholic Mass. Faith is NOT about our “feelings.”

Now if it be God’s will that you remain in your church, well then I have nothing to say about that. But that doesn’t mean that I should not and cannot tell you about the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ built on Peter the Rock. That doesn’t mean that I cannot tell you that you can have the Fullness of Truth right here in the Catholic Church and the FULL Means of Salvation!
:yup: I really think God wants you here because Jesus Christ established all 7 Sacraments to be the means of obtaining Sanctifying Grace throughout your lifetime. That is the FULL means of Salvation. We would love to have you Home with us.

CCC - Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 “All men are called to this catholic unity of the
People of God… and to it, in different ways, belong or are
ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ,
and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.”

Do you hear the Holy Spirit calling you Home to the Catholic Church? You have to hear Him in your soul. And with that, you don’t “feel” for the Holy Spirit. We walk by Faith, not by sight, hearing or feelings.

Yes of course God gives the Grace of Jesus Christ to those of us who are poor sinners. He came for the sick, the sinners, not for the righteous right? :yup: God can do so through the Holy Spirit because He is a spiritual being and so are our souls.

As far as “feelings” or “sight” you just might get something from God that you can see (not necessarily by sight) in order to have faith. Jesus did that for Thomas. Thomas had faith, but he was just doubtful. But Jesus still let him see His wounds and even feel His wounds. So you never know when God will present you with something. You just have to have your eyes, ears, mind and heart open so that you won’t miss it. Does this make sense to you? I sure hope so.

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are
those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all

the means of salvation given to the Church
together with her entire organization,
and who - by the bonds constituted by the
profession of faith, the sacraments,
ecclesiastical government, and communion -
are joined in the visible structure of the
Church of Christ, who rules her through
the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops.
Even though incorporated into the Church, one who
does not however persevere in charity is not saved.
He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but
‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’"

Looks to me like they’re talking about the Catholic Church.

838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to
the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do
not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not
preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.”
Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized
are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the
Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this
communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the
fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s
Eucharist.”

That sounds like I am either Catholic or in unity with the Catholic church. That is the impression I get from what is written above.

Since you believe in Jesus Christ and you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (you are right?) then you are part of the Body of Christ. But you are not part of the Catholic Church.

More in next post…

 

[AlegreFe]

…cont.

I have not gone through -]conformation/-] Confirmation and first communion. So, I know I am not Catholic, but that doesn’t rule out the fact that I as well as others like me should be united with the Catholic church. When, we are rejected by the Catholic church.

Huh? Don’t say that. No one here in the Catholic Church should reject you. And if you have been rejected outright by a Catholic then they are really not Catholic.

Now if you are talking about not being able to receive Jesus in Holy Communion I’m sure you know why. You do know why right?

AlegreFe:

I truly believe that we should all be part of the Catholic Church since we have Jesus in the Eucharist here. Jesus commanded that we all partake of His Body and Blood.

Agreed

If you agree then why aren’t you part of Catholic Church?
We would love to have you here.

awantz:

AlegreFe:

The only place you can do that is right here in the Catholic Church.

Disagree

How so? How do you have the real presence of Christ in your “bread” when you gather for the “Lord’s Supper” or at the “Lord’s Table?” (I don’t know what you call it in your church). Do you have validly ordained Priests in your church? Do you have any “Priests” at all in your church for that matter? Or are there only “ministers” or “pastors” in your church? Are there any Bishops in your church that have succession through Peter, the First Bishop of Rome, our First Pope? If you have “none of the above” then you cannot have the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Only a Catholic Priest that is validly ordained by a Bishop that succeeds the Apostles can consecrate the Host and the Wine so that we can have the real presence of Jesus Christ.

 

[AlegreFe]

lak611;1975371:

Mary is not the spouse of God the Father, but she is the spouse of God the Holy Spirit (the Holy Spirit is God).

So, to summarize, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary is the spouse of both Joseph and the Holy Spirit (not clear on whether this is at the same time or sequentially), but mother (and non-divine sister) of God the Son whose Father is God the Father who is not either of the spouses of Mary, though God the Father/God the Son/God the Holy Spirit are all really one God? And people think that polytheism is too complicated to be true?

There is something you can read. You can read from the start but in particular there is a section called Her betrothal to Joseph. You have to scroll down about ¼ of the way to get to that section. If you have time, why don’t you read the whole article on Mary.

Here is something you can read about The Annunciation as far as the Holy Spirit.

 

[KarenNC]

There is something you can read. You can read from the start but in particular there is a section called Her betrothal to Joseph. You have to scroll down about ¼ of the way to get to that section. If you have time, why don’t you read the whole article on Mary.

Here is something you can read about The Annunciation as far as the Holy Spirit.

Thanks. Very, very different than any other treatment of Mary I have seen, but then I have not known many Catholics.

 

[awantz]

This is part of a huge problem. Faith is not about “feelings” that we get while at Mass. And your faith should not be about your feelings that you get while you attend Sunday Service. If you really believe that you have FAITH, then you would not have to rely on feelings to “bring the faith to you.” That is not how Faith works. Faith is a Gift from God. It is an act of the WILL. You yourself are deciding NOT to have any kind of Faith when you attend a Catholic Mass. I am asking you, please, if you ever attend a Catholic Mass again, please do not rely on your feelings, just let God take over. Pray and give yourself over to God. Pray to the Holy Spirit and don’t have any preconceived notions when it comes to the Catholic faith. You seem to already decide not to “have faith” when you attend a Catholic Mass. Faith is NOT about our “feelings.”

Now if it be God’s will that you remain in your church, well then I have nothing to say about that. But that doesn’t mean that I should not and cannot tell you about the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ built on Peter the Rock. That doesn’t mean that I cannot tell you that you can have the Fullness of Truth right here in the Catholic Church and the FULL Means of Salvation!
:yup: I really think God wants you here because Jesus Christ established all 7 Sacraments to be the means of obtaining Sanctifying Grace throughout your lifetime. That is the FULL means of Salvation. We would love to have you Home with us.

I do not base my faith on my feelings. I definitly do not rely on my feelings to bring my faith to me. I attend the Catholic mass with just as much faith as I do at the nondenominational service. I attend mass every Sunday and on all special days of obligation. I do let God take over. Again, I do not rely on my feelings. I pray and give myself over to God every day. I pray to the Holy Spirit and I don’t have any preconceived notions when it comes to the Catholic faith. as I said earlier I have not decided not to “have faith” when I attend a Catholic Mass. I know faith is not about our feelings and I don’t base mine on feelings.
I do not need you to tell me about the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ built on Peter the Rock. I know all about it and if their is anything I want to know my husband will tell me. If I want your opinion I will ask. I know all about the Fullness of Truth and I don’t always see it in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is not the only place you can get the FULL Means of Salvation! I am saying this straight from the mouth of many Catholics.
My church has all seven sacraments as well and I attend the sacraments at both churches. The only sacraments I have not taken part in are the ones that the church obviously won’t let me take part in like the Eucharist/Communion.

Do you hear the Holy Spirit calling you Home to the Catholic Church? You have to hear Him in your soul. And with that, you don’t “feel” for the Holy Spirit. We walk by Faith, not by sight, hearing or feelings.

As far as “feelings” or “sight” you just might get something from God that you can see (not necessarily by sight) in order to have faith. Jesus did that for Thomas. Thomas had faith, but he was just doubtful. But Jesus still let him see His wounds and even feel His wounds. So you never know when God will present you with something. You just have to have your eyes, ears, mind and heart open so that you won’t miss it. Does this make sense to you? I sure hope so.

I do not hear the Holy Spirit calling me to the Catholic Church. I hear Him in my soul, but He is not telling me to join the Catholic Church. When I mentioned earlier about feeling the Holy Spirit, this is what I was refering to, hearing God in my soul. I walk by Faith and not by sight, hearing, or feelings. I do have my eyes, ears, mind, and heart open.

Since you believe in Jesus Christ and you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (you are right?) then you are part of the Body of Christ. But you are not part of the Catholic Church.

More in next post…

Yes, I am baptised in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I know that I am part of the body of Christ and that I am not a part of the Catholic Church. I’ve stated that before.

 

[awantz]

…cont.

Huh? Don’t say that. No one here in the Catholic Church should reject you. And if you have been rejected outright by a Catholic then they are really not Catholic.

Now if you are talking about not being able to receive Jesus in Holy Communion I’m sure you know why. You do know why right?

I only say it, because it is true. They seem to be some of the most involved/devoted Catholics. One of them was a Priest, sadly enough.Yes, because I haven’t gone through confirmation.

If you agree then why aren’t you part of Catholic Church?
We would love to have you here.

When I agreed, I was saying that unity between all churches would be nice, We need that. I was also agreeing that Jesus commanded that we all partake of His Body and Blood. How can I not in is scriptural. You can agure with God’s Word. The reason I am not a part of the Catholic Church is, because the Holy Spirit hasn’t lead me that way yet. Maybe someday and maybe not.

How so? How do you have the real presence of Christ in your “bread” when you gather for the “Lord’s Supper” or at the “Lord’s Table?” (I don’t know what you call it in your church). Do you have validly ordained Priests in your church? Do you have any “Priests” at all in your church for that matter? Or are there only “ministers” or “pastors” in your church? Are there any Bishops in your church that have succession through Peter, the First Bishop of Rome, our First Pope? If you have “none of the above” then you cannot have the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Only a Catholic Priest that is validly ordained by a Bishop that succeeds the Apostles can consecrate the Host and the Wine so that we can have the real presence of Jesus Christ.

We have called it Eucharist, communion, and the Lord’s Supper. They are called Pastors. I have heard Priests called Pastors as well. We have Bishops, but we use a different name. They are ordained through the Holy Spirit. Says who? You are going on what you have heard and not on faith. Oh, we are back to the topic of faith again, what a coincedence.

 

[dessert]

Mary is not the spouse of God the Father, but she is the spouse of God the Holy Spirit (the Holy Spirit is God).

So, to summarize, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary is the spouse of both Joseph and the Holy Spirit (not clear on whether this is at the same time or sequentially), but mother (and non-divine sister) of God the Son whose Father is God the Father who is not either of the spouses of Mary, though God the Father/God the Son/God the Holy Spirit are all really one God? And people think that polytheism is too complicated to be true?

This is an interesting word (spouse)so I have done some looking up in the dictionary and the compendium(cactechism), the bible.
It means to pledge oneself.
The catechism teaches that Christ is the bridegroom and the church is the bride.
Joseph was an earthly spouse, just as you and I have one, but our soul is connected BY the Holy spirit THROUGH Jesus UNTO God our Father. I’m learning these pronouns are very important.
Hope this isn’t making it more complicated ? Dessert

 

[dessert]

Sorry, I left out Mary and should explain a bit more.
Christ came for its church (members ) as a bridegroom, second Adam, to be in the flesh to refute the devil which Adam and Eve did not do.
Sooo Christ came for the salvation of the church, of which there is only one.
Mary the second Eve but completely sinless came to be the mother of the church(members).
Mary the mother of Jesus the flesh gave him humaness
Mary the spouse of the Spirit because he (we believe angels are male) united with her to bring Christ into the world and total grace and forgiveness
Therefore all members of the Church are one with Christ so
Mary is mother of the Church.
There is only one Holy Catholic Church of which we that believe are members and God did not make many churches as there is only one God, one Church, one faith, one baptism.
Mary is not a sister of the divine because there are three, not four, in the divine one godhead.
I’m not sure about thinking of Mary as a daughter will have to ask someone else to explain that?
We often just say Mary and that is what I grew up learning but some expressions change, and she is considered Mother Mary as the head of the many convents are entitled the term mother especilally the supeior in charge but that has changed some too. A lot of terms have changed but the basics are still there.
I do so like the term Queen and that puts a whole new lite on it Many say Mary queen of mercy etc.
Now on another thread they are saying Saint Mary wow never dreamed I would hear that expression but it is honorable.
There are some changes as I was a prodigal daughter, gone for 40 years. Alas, our priest (father ) was talking about prodigal son or daughter today and he talked long and hard about that story read the whole story to us.
I NEED TO make a blog with my story but it stinks of sin but…if others can I guess I can get over my pride and tell the truth. I am rambling and way off topic but I hope this ansers some of the confusion and I am just reading my catechism again and it is large like a dictionary aso will refer mostly to the comp. book and the scripture . Dessert

 

[dessert]

I only say it, because it is true. They seem to be some of the most involved/devoted Catholics. One of them was a Priest, sadly enough.Yes, because I haven’t gone through confirmation.

When I agreed, I was saying that unity between all churches would be nice, We need that. I was also agreeing that Jesus commanded that we all partake of His Body and Blood. How can I not in is scriptural. You can agure with God’s Word. The reason I am not a part of the Catholic Church is, because the Holy Spirit hasn’t lead me that way yet. Maybe someday and maybe not.

We have called it Eucharist, communion, and the Lord’s Supper. They are called Pastors. I have heard Priests called Pastors as well. We have Bishops, but we use a different name. They are ordained through the Holy Spirit. Says who? You are going on what you have heard and not on faith. Oh, we are back to the topic of faith again, what a coincedence.

If you want to know more about Full Communion go to the Wikipedia free encyclopedia
Http;//enwikipedia.org/wiki/full_communion
it has a lot of info and I think I have another site about the angelicals but have to look that up and it sounds like we are getting closer together in this respect so who knows maybe one day you will be able to receive, I like to say receive because I believe we are truly receiving the body and blood but look uup communion also and you will maybe see and understand more of where we are coming from God Bless You:thumbsup:
There is a good book called The Bread of Life
Opening Our Hearts to Jesus in the Eucharist by David E. Rosage
I got it free for subs. to the Word Among us another good daily prayer and scripture story mag.
You are rally at the door so I too hope you will open the door of your heart and join in the Catholic Faith God Bless again
Dessert

 

[Kotton]

Why marry a Catholic. Lets see, I was looking for a man who put God first in his life. A kind man. A gentle man. A single man. Allmost all the good ones were already taken. Then I found a very rare batchelor who met all my criteria who happened to think I was a “good catch”. He happened to be a Catholic.

As for further confusion about the BVM. She is of course the Grandmother of Jesus. As you know she is the Mother of God. God is the father of Jesus, thus she is Jesus’ grandmother.

She is of course the sister of Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God, Mary is the Daughter of God, thus Jesus sister.

She is the spouse of Jesus as she is the spouse of the Holy Spirit, who is of course the Spirit of Jesus, and if your are married to someone’s spirit you are married to them.

Mary must be the spouse of the Pope. Mary is of course the Mother of the Church and the Holy Father is the Holy Father of the Church thus they must be married as they would not have a mutural child unless they were married, one being a good Catholic, the other being a perfect Jew.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus’s second cousin. Mary is of couse the Mother of us all. Thus Mary is the Mother of Elizabeth the mother of John the baptist, and Jesus’s second cousin.

As the Mother of all she is, of course, the mother of Jesus’s stepfather, Joseph and therfore is the step-grandmother of Jesus as well as his Grandmother on his real Father’s side.

My brain hurts! I think, perhaps, Mary is her own grandmother. She is the Mother of all, so would be the Mother of both Her Mom and Dad so would be her own grandmother on both sides of the family. (This is intended to be taken with tongue in cheek not seriously.)

Mrs. Kotton

 

[guanophore]

As for further confusion about the BVM. She is of course the Grandmother of Jesus. As you know she is the Mother of God. God is the father of Jesus, thus she is Jesus’ grandmother.

She is of course the sister of Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God, Mary is the Daughter of God, thus Jesus sister.

She is the spouse of Jesus as she is the spouse of the Holy Spirit, who is of course the Spirit of Jesus, and if your are married to someone’s spirit you are married to them.

Mary must be the spouse of the Pope. Mary is of course the Mother of the Church and the Holy Father is the Holy Father of the Church thus they must be married as they would not have a mutural child unless they were married, one being a good Catholic, the other being a perfect Jew.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus’s second cousin. Mary is of couse the Mother of us all. Thus Mary is the Mother of Elizabeth the mother of John the baptist, and Jesus’s second cousin.

As the Mother of all she is, of course, the mother of Jesus’s stepfather, Joseph and therfore is the step-grandmother of Jesus as well as his Grandmother on his real Father’s side.

My brain hurts! I think, perhaps, Mary is her own grandmother. She is the Mother of all, so would be the Mother of both Her Mom and Dad so would be her own grandmother on both sides of the family. (This is intended to be taken with tongue in cheek not seriously.)

Mrs. Kotton

LOL!!! That one reallly cracked me up! thanks.

I guess what Paul said about himself can also be said about Mary. “I become all things to all men, so that by any means, I may save some”

 

[dessert]

That was too comical but I think Karen is really trying to understand our beliefs and you just put a damper on it.
Be silly if you like. To each their own. Dessert

If you can’t feed a hundred people, then just feed one. —
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good to all men…
Gal 6; 10

God has a history of using the insignificant to accomplish the impossible. -------

And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible. Mark 10; 27

 

[guanophore]

That was too comical but I think Karen is really trying to understand our beliefs and you just put a damper on it.
Be silly if you like. To each their own. Dessert

If you can’t feed a hundred people, then just feed one. —
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good to all men…
Gal 6; 10

God has a history of using the insignificant to accomplish the impossible. -------

And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible. Mark 10; 27

Well, I didn’t mean to, and if I did, I apologize. Reading that post just make sit so clear that it is much too complex for my puny little mind. I think the best way to understand Mary’s relationship to the Godhead is to participate in it experientially, rather than trying to parse it by reason.