Why do Protestants object to Purgatory?

[lak611]

No you are not wrong. To use more specific Catholic terminology, Mortal sin will not be forgiven in the age to come because this is the sin that leads to death and to hell. No second chances at confessing mortal sin.

Venial sins however are the sins that do not lead to death. These sins are the sins that we are told that we can pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ. These sins can be forgiven in the age to come. Refined out of our soul as if through fire.

You know it’s kind of funny. In a Nazarene Church, the pastor used to talk of how Christ will sanctify us and make us Holy. Refine our souls as if through fire just like we refine gold. But would have vemenently rejected any kind of idea of this refinement being fully completed after one died (or the instant one died) if one put the name purgatory on it.

I just don’t see the difference except the objection to the word purgatory.

God Bless,
Maria

Maria, you are right! What you have stated agrees 100% with the teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

[MariaG]

phew

I was starting to worry.

By the way, I found some more interesting information on the history of purgatory…

No worries

And it was interesting:thumbsup: .

It always bothers me when people say things like, “you interpret the scripture wrong” yet when presented with information like the above, put on blinders and refuse to see the truth in scripture as well as history.

God Bless,
Maria

 

[flameburns623]

Y’all are going to make me haul out my Catholic New American Bible, I see. Before I do that, take a little time to check some of the notes in your own copies of the NAB. (You DO have a personal copy of the Catholic Bible, I trust???) Take note that the footnotes and commentary caution the reader repeatedly that information in the Deuterocanonicals is deemed unreliable and to be treated with considerable reserve. Stories about dragons, for example, might best be taken as allegorical.

jmcrae:

What version of the NAB are you using?

None, apparently. As an update, I have dug out my oldest version of the NAB, the one widely dissed even by Roman Catholics for the liberal and vaguely heterodox “ecumenical” footnotes it contained. I am NOT finding what I thought I recollected to be part of those footnotes. I am able to recall the quotes rather clearly. I am certain the source was a Catholic one. Because it is something I read in the late 1970’s, when touchey-feeley ecumenism was more the order of the day, and Catholic apologetics were on the decline (or on the cusp of a renaissance if you will), I rather expected my citation to be rejected on those grounds. Since I cannot even provide the source, even this is superfluous.
MariaG.:

Can you admit you were wrong?

I am forced to concede that I cannot provide substantiation for my assertion. I have already conceded in the preceding paragraph that I cited a source I expected most Catholics would not accept as authoritative. I did expect that I could show it to be scholarly and respected, but without the citation I can not do even this.

My apologies.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

I’d say the objection is not that we are glorified, but that glorification = punishmnet or suffering.

But our glorying of Christ often does involve suffering for the faith…
Romans 8:17:

Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

And again…
Hebrews 2:10:

In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

And again…
1 Peter 5:10:

And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.

Syele:

How: God does it. Who can know the ways of God?

Then why are you arguing with us if you don’t actually know?

You apparently are indirectly claming to know the ways of God whenever you say that God cannot redeem people in purgatory, aren’t you?

We are all claiming to know the mind of God to the extent that we beleive God has revealed it. Some do. Some don’t. The ones who really do know the mind of God (God’s will) know his will because God has revealed his will to them.

Syele:

When: Immeadiately when we become a follower of Christ and turn our lives over to Him.

This is but the beginning though. There is no doubt that the process of salvation has been started at this time (actually, I would argue that the process began a long time before the Spirit broke through, but that’s another argument).

Nonetheless, this salvation is a process that God has begun in you, just like the rest of us. It is not completed at this time. It is not completed until we are in heaven with God participating in his beautific vision.

 

[MariaG]

My apologies.

Thank you for taking the time for the update.

Your words are much appreciated .

And I keep subscriptions forever and if you ever find the reference I would encourage you to post the reference you thought you read, and say I told you so anytime in the future

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

 

[flameburns623]

Thank you for taking the time for the update.

Your words are much appreciated .

And I keep subscriptions forever and if you ever find the reference I would encourage you to post the reference you thought you read, and say I told you so anytime in the future

Your sister in Christ,
Maria

Maria:

I seldom discard books and even have a great many magazine articles from long years ago. I expect I will find the citation eventually. I also expect that the source will be reasonably scholarly but NOT necessarily ‘authoritative’. It will probably derive from a source with a reputation for being very liberal and ecumenically-oriented.

Dunno just how old you are. There has been a sea-change in the way Roman Catholics interact with Protestants since about five years after Pope JPII first ascended to the Papacy. MY most direct experience of Roman Catholicism sort of straddled that period–from about 1975 to about 1987. Frankly, the rank liberalism of the RCC as I experienced it was very off-putting, especially since I realised quickly that the Catholicism of the preConciliar era had been much different. I personally met Roman Catholic priests who absolutely sneered at Catholic apologetics and deemed it almost anti-Christian to have definite views about anything. They were much more comfortable with liberal Protestants. I knew one who was sharply critical of Joseph Ratzinger’s appointment to whatever y’all call the Holy Office these days. Catholic theology seemed insipid or incomprehensible in those days–I never could figure out what Hans King was trying to say about anything he wrote about, for example.

I was rather pleased to see a more-robust Catholicism re-emerge, though by that time my own theological views had matured and taken me on a path away from the RCC entirely. My point is that if you have come of age in the late 1980’s or so, you have experienced a Roman Catholicism that is rather more likely to cross swords with Protestants than to hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’. The pendulum has swung in the other direction.

I don’t know just what value the citation will have for you but if I happen across it I will post it or IM it to you.

 

[Syele]

But our glorying of Christ often does involve suffering for the faith…

And again…

And again…

I already said that I don’t believe suffering ends but that it’s not required. Did you read my other post?

Then why are you arguing with us if you don’t actually know?

You apparently are indirectly claming to know the ways of God whenever you say that God cannot redeem people in purgatory, aren’t you?

We are all claiming to know the mind of God to the extent that we beleive God has revealed it. Some do. Some don’t. The ones who really do know the mind of God (God’s will) know his will because God has revealed his will to them.

Sometimes, Mr. Ex Nihilo, I get the impression you misread my writing on purpose.

This is but the beginning though. There is no doubt that the process of salvation has been started at this time (actually, I would argue that the process began a long time before the Spirit broke through, but that’s another argument).

Nonetheless, this salvation is a process that God has begun in you, just like the rest of us. It is not completed at this time. It is not completed until we are in heaven with God participating in his beautific vision.

What you are describing is sancitification. I do believe in sanctification. I believe sanctification is *completed instantly *after our death, Like a room is instantly light when you turn on a light. Everything I have read about the Catholic definition of Purgatory involves pain and suffering after death in extremes. These are drastically different.

 

[Syele]

Hi Syele:wave:

Respectfully, I believe (and so does the Catholic Church ), that scripture disagrees with you.

We interpret the following scripture as refering to purgatory. And although we will be saved, it will be as through fire. Most would not consider being saved as through fire as an entirely pleasant experience and in fact would completely believe that it would cause much suffering if one were saved but “as through fire”.

1Cor 3:11 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12]Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – 13 each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

You may disagree with this interpretation, but this is but just one of the many scriptures that we interpret as refering to what we name purgatory.

One clearly can choose to place a different interpretation on these scriptures, but Catholics completely stand firm on our claim that purgatory is scriptural.

Maybe I missed it but what do you/your church think is happening in the above scripture (1Cor3:15)?

God Bless,
Maria

The passage is an analogy, comparing God’s judgement of our lives and works to a building that is burning. Some building materials will withstand fire, others will not. In the same way some of our works will be recognized and rewarded in Heaven and others will not. Works we do that are not for the glory of God will not be rewarded in heaven. It dosn’t say WE are the building and will be burned up.

 

[DRIVING_BEAR]

Because Pergatory Is A Ot Concept
I Can Best Explain In A Real World Parible

You Commit A Crime ( Sin ) Do You Go Straight To
Prison. Answer No. First You Go To The Local Jail Until Your Case Goes Throught The Court Process And You Are Convicted . Then You Go To
Prison.

Protestants See Pergatory As The Local Jail Of
God’s Justice System And Hell As The Prison

Protesant’s Will Not Go To Jail (peratory) Or Prison( Hell) Because Our “case” Was Setteled
At Cross And Jesus Bore All Our Penlity . Therefore All Our “time Has Be Served”

So Protestants Beleive That Only The Lost Are In Hades Aka Pergatory Aka The Place Of The Dead Where They Will Stay Until The Great White Throne Judgement Where They Have Their
Last Day In Court Before They Are Convicted And Sent To Prison ( Hell)

Hope This Helps

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

I already said that I don’t believe suffering ends but that it’s not required. Did you read my other post?

Yes. I have read your other posts. I also responded to them too. I’m not sure why you believe this is not required though.

Syele:

Sometimes, Mr. Ex Nihilo, I get the impression you misread my writing on purpose.

Please. Don’t you start too.

I’m asking simple questions. If you believe that this is not required, that’s fine. But at least explain why you believe this is not required in light of what many have offered.

Syele:

What you are describing is sancitification. I do believe in sanctification. I believe sanctification is *completed instantly *after our death, Like a room is instantly light when you turn on a light. Everything I have read about the Catholic definition of Purgatory involves pain and suffering after death in extremes. These are drastically different.

Yes. But why do you believe that that we are entering directly into heaven without further purification?

What is it about death that allows the Lord to completely sanctify us without additional suffering, just like Christ allows to happen to us when we are still alive?

 

[Syele]

Yes. But why do you believe that that we are entering directly into heaven without further purification?

Romans 8:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 5:

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Romans 3:
21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,*(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans 3;&version=31;#fen-NIV-28002i”)] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

Isaiah 38:
17 Surely it was for my benefit that I suffered such anguish.
In your love you kept me from the pit of destruction;
you have put all my sins behind your back.

1 Corinthians 6:
10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 2
4But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Colossians 1:21-23

Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation–if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”

Hebrews 10:8-18
First he [Jesus] said, ‘Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them’ (although the law required them to be made). Then he said, ‘Here I am, I have come to do your will.’ He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’ Then he adds:
‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’ And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This last one sums it up well, The wages of sin is not suffering and torture, it is DEATH. The Gift of God is eternal Life. It is a gift. Once you are dead it’s too late to accept that gift. You get one or the other death or life.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

This last one sums it up well, The wages of sin is not suffering and torture, it is DEATH. The Gift of God is eternal Life. It is a gift. Once you are dead it’s too late to accept that gift. You get one or the other death or life.

And when did we say that we could accept Jesus after the general judgement upon death?

Furthermore, I’m quite sure that sin has resulted in more than merely death in this life. In fact, I’m quite sure that fairly well all suffering can be traced right back to the sins of the adversary.
Book of Wisdom 2:23-24:

When God created us, he did not intend for us to die; he made us like himself. It was the Devil’s jealousy that brought death into the world, and those who belong to the Devil are the ones who will die.

And again…
John 8:44:

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

All sin points back to the primordial sin of the advserary.

And the Scriptures do make it quite clear that we do suffer for our own personal sins too-- so it’s not just death that results from our sins.
Numbers 14:34:

For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’

Ezekiel 23:49:

You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

We can also suffer for other people’s sins too-- such as Adam and Eve’s sins for example.

If we can suffer for our sins in life, and if we can suffer for our sins in death, then why can’t we suffer for our sins in purgatory on our way to heaven?

Furthermore, none of these quotes you provided actually answers the question what is it about death that prevents the Lord from completely sanctifying us without additional suffering, just like Christ allows to happen to us when we are still alive?

Not one of them answers this question Syele.

What is it about physical death that prevents the Lord from completely sanctifying us without additional suffering, just like Christ allows to happen to us while we are still alive?

 

[AlegreFe]

Because Pergatory Is A Ot Concept
I Can Best Explain In A Real World Parible
You Commit A Crime ( Sin ) Do You Go Straight To
Prison. Answer No. First You Go To The Local Jail Until Your Case Goes Throught The Court Process And You Are Convicted .
Then You Go To Prison. ← Purgatory for Catholics
Protestants See Pergatory As The Local Jail Of
God’s Justice System And Hell As The Prison
Protesant’s Will Not Go To Jail (peratory) Or Prison( Hell) Because Our “case” Was Setteled
At Cross And Jesus Bore All Our Penlity . Therefore All Our “time Has Be Served”
So Protestants Beleive That Only The Lost Are In Hades Aka Pergatory Aka The Place Of The Dead Where They Will Stay Until The Great White Throne Judgement Where They Have Their
Last Day In Court Before They Are Convicted And Sent To Prison ( Hell)
Hope This Helps

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Shakehead.gif First I wish people would learn how to spell.

Second, you just don’t get the concept of purgatory. http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Duh.gif But at least you see it as an OT concept. That’s a start.
You know Jesus did not come to abolish the law right, but to fulfill it.

I’ll use your own analogy for Purgatory but then I’ll “fix it” to the Catholic belief;
Prison = Purgatory
Prison is a way to pay back to society what you have done. Once your sentence is finished, you can then be released.
Being Released = Heaven
If in the case of a life sentence then it would benefit the prisoner to contemplate on what he/she has done so as to make his/her suffering redemptive. Hopefully they can actually learn from their experience in prison and that their suffering, with God’s Mercy and Grace, will be somewhat sufficient to shorten their stay in actual Purgatory.

We are sinners. You agree right? Don’t you think we should make some kind of amends for what we do?

If you broke someone’s window and the person says, “that’s okay I’ve already taken care of that by purchasing many replacement windows waiting for replacement because I knew you were going to be breaking windows all the time” you would not feel bad at all?!! I can’t believe that. Wouldn’t you want to give something of yourself for the cost of that window that has already been paid for because it was you that actually broke it?

You and I are the ones that put Christ on that Cross. So with God’s Grace I would want to offer up any of my sufferings to Jesus for my sins and those of the whole world. Your suffering could be redemptive in case you didn’t know. So you could offer up any of your sufferings to Jesus so as to add what is lacking on behalf of His Body, the Church.

24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for
your sake, and in my flesh I am filling
up what is lacking in the afflictions
of Christ on behalf of his body,
which is the church
Col 1:24

With God’s Grace, there are many prayers also that I can say. There are many things here that I can do to make amends for all that I and the rest of the world has done as far as sin. I know that Jesus already paid for my sins.

But we are still sinners who are wounded to the core. Those wounds still have to heal. That can only happen with God’s Mercy and Grace and of course that comes from Jesus on that Cross, dying and rising again to give us life. But we just can’t sit back and enjoy a “free” ride as you so seem to say in your post. That is not how it works.

Here are some links that might help;

• THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY
• SUFFERING
• Purification After Death By Fire
• The Early Church’s Belief in Purgatory

 

[AlegreFe]

It seems that many non-Catholic Christians are afraid of the concept of Purgatory. It seems that if they start believing in Purgatory that they will definitely go there instead of going straight to Heaven. I don’t see what is so wrong with Purgatory if you compare that to Hell. You can NEVER get out of Hell but you can get out of Purgatory and go to Heaven.

If you end up in Purgatory that means you have made it!! :dancing: Yes, I’m dancing! http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Laughing.gif I would rather skip Purgatory but since I am wounded and it is hard to stay Holy, http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Angelhaloappears.gif I might just end up in Purgatory. But at least I’ll know that I have made it. :yup:

Just to let you “unbelievers of Purgatory” know, you can’t unbelieve Purgatory away.
So it is here to stay whether you believe or not. But don’t worry, I will be praying for all of your souls when you get there. that’s if I’m still alive at the time. But wait, since God has no time, I will pray for all of your souls right now. http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/PrayPlead.gif

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Eternal Father, I offer thee the most
Precious Blood of Thy Divine Son, Jesus,
In union with the Masses said throughout the
world today, for all the Holy Souls in Purgatory,
for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the
universal church, those in my own home
and within my family. Amen.

 

[apophasis]

Just to let you “unbelievers of Purgatory” know, you can’t unbelieve Purgatory away.
So it is here to stay whether you believe or not.

You can’t believe it into existence, either. It’s a matter of divine revelation, and there just isn’t any - none, zilch, nada.

But don’t worry, I will be praying for all of your souls when you get there:

Prayers should address reality.

 

[jim1130]

"AlegreFe:

Just to let you “unbelievers of Purgatory” know, you can’t unbelieve Purgatory away.
So it is here to stay whether you believe or not.

You can’t believe it into existence, either. It’s a matter of divine revelation, and there just isn’t any - none, zilch, nada.Prayers should address reality.

Just think that if Catholics said there was no purgatory then Protestants would claim there is. What a great religion to exist solely on the contrarian view.

 

[apophasis]

Just think that if Catholics said there was no purgatory then Protestants would claim there is. What a great religion to exist solely on the contrarian view.

This is a silly statement, indeed. If RC’ism finally stated that it is dropping its doctrine of purgatory based on the lack of divine revelation, then we’d certainly be in agreement (on that issue).

 

[jim1130]

This is a silly statement, indeed. If RC’ism finally stated that it is dropping its doctrine of purgatory based on the lack of divine revelation, then we’d certainly be in agreement (on that issue).

Not at all. Purgatory exists. Just like Christ exists in the Eucharist. Just like Christ works through the priest to forgive sins.

Protestants really should be called Contrarians.

 

[MariaG]

Maria:

I seldom discard books and even have a great many magazine articles from long years ago. I expect I will find the citation eventually. I also expect that the source will be reasonably scholarly but NOT necessarily ‘authoritative’. It will probably derive from a source with a reputation for being very liberal and ecumenically-oriented.

Dunno just how old you are. There has been a sea-change in the way Roman Catholics interact with Protestants since about five years after Pope JPII first ascended to the Papacy. MY most direct experience of Roman Catholicism sort of straddled that period–from about 1975 to about 1987. Frankly, the rank liberalism of the RCC as I experienced it was very off-putting, especially since I realised quickly that the Catholicism of the preConciliar era had been much different. I personally met Roman Catholic priests who absolutely sneered at Catholic apologetics and deemed it almost anti-Christian to have definite views about anything. They were much more comfortable with liberal Protestants. I knew one who was sharply critical of Joseph Ratzinger’s appointment to whatever y’all call the Holy Office these days. Catholic theology seemed insipid or incomprehensible in those days–I never could figure out what Hans King was trying to say about anything he wrote about, for example.

I was rather pleased to see a more-robust Catholicism re-emerge, though by that time my own theological views had matured and taken me on a path away from the RCC entirely. My point is that if you have come of age in the late 1980’s or so, you have experienced a Roman Catholicism that is rather more likely to cross swords with Protestants than to hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’. The pendulum has swung in the other direction.

I don’t know just what value the citation will have for you but if I happen across it I will post it or IM it to you.

Although old enough to be raised smack dab in the middle of that period ( I am 41 ), my parents left the Church so I “missed” all that.

As for what value? Not sure since it really is not an “official” teaching but a commentary, but I still would be interested in it if you ever run across it:thumbsup:

 

[Pryority7]

Romans 8:
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This last one sums it up well, The wages of sin is not suffering and torture, it is DEATH. The Gift of God is eternal Life. It is a gift. Once you are dead it’s too late to accept that gift. You get one or the other death or life.

Who said anything about getting another chance after death? Scripture is clear that there is no second chance after death…Hebrews 9:27.
That’s why Purgatory is not a “second chance”, but a perfecting of our one and only chance…an ending of our sanctification. As you said, we would be instantly cleansed. This may be true, since we would be outside of time and therefore not subject anymore to the clock, so to speak, but that does not take away the fact that the cleansing might hurt…think about it…your soul has been used to this defect called a sin nature since birth. Now that it’s on it’s way to Heaven, it’s saying goodbye to that sin nature and the effects it has brought upon it in it’s earthly life. It hurts to say goodbye, but it’s for the better for in Heaven all is made right. Purgatory is for the saved only. Purgatory is the beginning of Heaven, not an alternative to it.
You know, I believe many non-catholic christians in some way or another believe in Purgatory. They just don’t call it that because to them it’s this “second chance” or us “paying for our sins which takes away from the Sacrifice on the Cross”. The name itself seems taboo. But we all agree that as we go to Heaven, God will remove our sin nature and all it’s effects as we enter into glory. This removal is Purgatory. It’s really not that complicated to see that. Only our set prejudices would get in the way of seeing the logic behind that, and prejudice can be born of pride, and pride is the Devil’s sin. It was the sin that started it all…so be careful…desire to seek truth for truth’s sake, not for your own…
Blessings,
P7