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Pryority7
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And now a word to you from Apo…
"I have no idea what you’re talking about. "
Thank You…
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"I have no idea what you’re talking about. "
Thank You…
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Mr.Ex_Nihilo
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Thanks AlegreFe.I know how you feel. Pray, pray, pray.You’re too good to get all worked up over this.
God bless you too!
Bishopite, I am truly sorry for snipping back like that. I know I shouldn’t have done that.
Take a good look at the responses so far in this thread by the majority of the non-Catholic posters though. This really has been a frustrating thread.
All the same, I shouldn’t have snipped back at you. I just thought I had already made it very clear in this thread that I wasn’t saying that we were ‘gods’.
When I saw your question, I really got irritated and took in the same vein as the majority of other protests against the Catholic teachings of purgatory expressed in this thread.
Like I said before, I really am going to step out of this one. I just wanted to make my apologies clear before I did so.
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Bishopite
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Not a problem at all and no need to apologize but thanks for doing it anyway. A few months ago, I did the exact same thing so who am I to point fingers when I do it myself.
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Bishopite
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I’ll try this question again…
Is every born again Christian fully and completely sanctified at the moment of their death?
Is every born again Christian fully and completely sanctified at the moment of their death?
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AlegreFe
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Yes I have been guilty of the same thing.Not a problem at all and no need to apologize but thanks for doing it anyway. A few months ago, I did the exact same thing so who am I to point fingers when I do it myself.
I pray to God to improve that in me and to forgive me.
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AlegreFe
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Good question.
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JoeyWarren
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The answer is inconclusive.
One would try to argue yes by trying to use the “Twinkling of an eye” verse. But that only reflects the physical body. It does not reflect the heart and mindset.
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Pryority7
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Well, like our brother Apo once said…
"I have no idea what you’re talking about. "
I think he was really being sincere about that…
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"I have no idea what you’re talking about. "
I think he was really being sincere about that…
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jmcrae
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Not very likely, since he just published a book called the Compendium of the Catechism that has a fairly long section on the subject of Purgatory.
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believers
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Yes.
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jmcrae
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What if someone dies in an accident before they are completely perfect? Do they just go to Hell?
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catholicgirl333
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So if we don’t have free will, but Hell exists, does God make people just to damn them to Hell?
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Pryority7
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No. We don’t believe in a Monster God like that…that is what some Calvinists believe…not biblical, and not logical.
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believers
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Yes, they have salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. They don’t go to Hell. They go to Heaven.
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believers
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We do have free will. Hell exists. God doesn’t damn anyone. People damn themselves.
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Bishopite
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- I really have my doubts every Christian will be without sin before they die, in fact I’d say most all of them will not be completely free of all sin.
- In the Protestant position of forensic/imputed justification (if you are affirming that position) one isn’t actually made holy, but merely viewed as holy in the eyes of God; He seeing Christ’s covering of your sins. Covering a dung hill of sin with pure snow doesn’t make the dunghill pure, it is still there and Rev 21:27 says no uclean thing shall enter heaven.
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Bishopite
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I think what you are thinking of is the strict 5 point Calvinist’s who believe God predestines everyone either to heaven or hell which simply blasphemous to a God who is love.
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Bishopite
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Right. It goes without saying that anyone who has any attachment of sin on their soul, and I mean even the littlest of venial sins, the petty sins they haven’t completely turned from in full repentance, perhaps a word of gossip or a reaction in ones mind and thoughts to another…that little sin of thought that permeates the deepest part of ones mind and soul is still “sin” in the eyes of God and has to be purged in this life or after death to those who WILL enter heaven, hence the Catholic concept of purgatory.
I’m reminded of the old Midas Muffler commercials…pay me now or pay me later!
Unite your sufferings with Christ’s sufferings as Col 1:24 says and go through a “purging” on Earth (like the Saints) or pay later after death when God purges you and I of any attachment of sin we failed to fully, completely and wholeheartedly repent from. And God does this because of love, it is His firey love that purifies us and God is a consuming fire as Heb 12:29. Hebrews 12 speaks of God chastening and disciplining those whom He loves, this is an act of God that sanctifies us.
Why would God need to continue to sanctify us as Heb 12 says if we are already fully sanctified?
Why would God say “to grow in grace” if we are now fully sanctified?
2 Peter 3:18–“But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.”…
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JoeyWarren
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The sad part is that the majority of Protestants feel they possess not one single vice once they accept Jesus Christ as their lord and personal savior. They are so delusional about being impervious to sin to the point they can’t see the plank in their own eye.
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hoosierdaddy
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Yes, it was a pretty good explanation given by Sixtus. However, the purging comes WHEN we see God. Revelation teaches that God will wipe away every tear from their eyes and that there will be no more pain and no more sin for the former things have passed away. Whatever needs to be wiped away will be done WHEN we see God. So this means that I still don’t agree with the idea of purgatory.
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