Why do Protestants presume to know Catholic doctrine and dogmas when they don't really know it?

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I had to backup guanophore. Fr. Corapi said that we are in the age of the laity. Many Catholic laity are doing minister work, and helping the priests and deacons. I also like to know deacons are married men who also preached the Gospel. If the Catholic Church did forbid married men, surely they would have easily ban the laity from doing any Evangelical work in the Church.
 
I had to backup guanophore. Fr. Corapi said that we are in the age of the laity. Many Catholic laity are doing minister work, and helping the priests and deacons. I also like to know deacons are married men who also preached the Gospel. If the Catholic Church did forbid married men, surely they would have easily ban the laity from doing any Evangelical work in the Church.
There are many posts in parishes that in the past were ministered by priests, but with today’s relative shortage of priests, it is more practical to relegate these posts to the laity. (i.e. parish finances)
 
There are many posts in parishes that in the past were ministered by priests, but with today’s relative shortage of priests, it is more practical to relegate these posts to the laity. (i.e. parish finances)
We still need more priests. You have several CAF discerning it. I’m very pleased that the CC has brought back the deacons too.
 
According to whose authority? The Bible doesn’t say it is unbiblical. If the Bible did, surely Paul would not recommend celibate life like he did.
Paul never recommends celibacy as a requirement for leadership. Look at I Timothy 3. Its unbibilical because celibacy as a requirement to serve as priest, bishop etc. Are you aware that Peter was married?
 
We still need more priests. You have several CAF discerning it. I’m very pleased that the CC has brought back the deacons too.
😃 You mean several on CAF discerning?

Apparantly the dioscese of Omaha, Nebraska isn’t having much trouble in that area… But I digress.
 
I had to backup guanophore. Fr. Corapi said that we are in the age of the laity. Many Catholic laity are doing minister work, and helping the priests and deacons. I also like to know deacons are married men who also preached the Gospel. If the Catholic Church did forbid married men, surely they would have easily ban the laity from doing any Evangelical work in the Church.
What the catholic church is forbidding are married men in the places of “higher authorities” i.e. bishops and priests. It is there that decisions for the entire church are made and married men for the most part do not have any authority there since they have been essentially locked out becasue they are married.
 
Paul never recommends celibacy as a requirement for leadership. Look at I Timothy 3. Its unbibilical because celibacy as a requirement to serve as priest, bishop etc. Are you aware that Peter was married?
:rolleyes:

I think we explained this. YES, Peter had a mother-in-law. But it is more likely that his wife had died by the time he was called to follow Jesus, especially considering that Peter’s wife was not mentioned at the same time his mother-in-law was.
 
Paul never recommends celibacy as a requirement for leadership. Look at I Timothy 3.
Douay Rheims Bible has a footnote on this:

2 “Of one wife”… The meaning is not that every bishop should have a wife (for St. Paul himself had none), but that no one should be admitted to the holy orders of bishop, priest, or deacon, who had been married more than once.

If this were bishop were required to have a wife, then Paul himself would be violating his own ruling.
Its unbibilical because celibacy as a requirement to serve as priest, bishop etc.
You have not cited a verse in the Bible that actually had St. Paul condemned celibacy as un-Biblical.
Are you aware that Peter was married?
Yes he was. He was also a widower. His wife’s name is rarely mentioned in the Bible. You would have to go outside Scripture to figure that one out.
 
What the catholic church is forbidding are married men in the places of “higher authorities” i.e. bishops and priests. It is there that decisions for the entire church are made and married men for the most part do not have any authority there since they have been essentially locked out becasue they are married.
What kinds of authorities are you referring to? Teaching authority? What is there in the offices of priests and bishops that you think married men ought to be entitled to?
 
What the catholic church is forbidding are married men in the places of “higher authorities” i.e. bishops and priests. It is there that decisions for the entire church are made and married men for the most part do not have any authority there since they have been essentially locked out becasue they are married.
The Catholic Church is not forbidding it. Many of the men in the Latin Rite decided to live a celibate life. They are not force to give up wife if they had one.

I think you already read that in the Oriental or Eastern Catholic, there are married priests. Even in Latin Rites, there are married men with papal approval. I would avoid using forbidding married men, because that is misleading.

If you were to admit that the CC does forbid. There would be no married priest period. The Catholic chaplain here, a former Lutheran minister, is married Catholic priest.
 
The Catholic Church is not forbidding. Many of the men in the Latin Rite decided to live a celibate life. They are not force to give up wife if they had one.

I think you already read that in the Oriental or Eastern Catholic, there are married priests. Even in Latin Rites, there are married men with papal approval. I would avoid using forbidding married men, because that is misleading.

If you were to admit that the CC does forbid. There would be no married priest period. The Catholic chaplain here, a former Lutheran minister, is married Catholic priest.
A good example!

That priest met certain conditions when he converted to Catholocism, and he was given the option of continuing his priestly ministry as well as his responsibilities to his family. (As I understand it)
 
:rolleyes:

I think we explained this. YES, Peter had a mother-in-law. But it is more likely that his wife had died by the time he was called to follow Jesus, especially considering that Peter’s wife was not mentioned at the same time his mother-in-law was.
The evidence that Peter had a wife throughout his minstry is quite strong. I Corinthians 9:5 certainly implies he had. I think there is also a strong tradition that he and his wife died at about the same time.
 
Married men serve the church, and in fact, provide most of the leadership in the parishes. The Priests’ duties are very specific, and are sacramental primarily. Priests are welcome to provide leadership in other areas, but most times, they are so busy with sacramental duties they don’t have time to run all the parish programs.

I think you are mistakely equating priesthood with leadership. The church recognizes that there are many leadership abilities that exist in the married and single laypeople.
In a parish where there is a priest who ultimately has the final say?

Why should not a married man be able to “say mass”?
 
The Catholic Church is not forbidding it. Many of the men in the Latin Rite decided to live a celibate life. They are not force to give up wife if they had one.

I think you already read that in the Oriental or Eastern Catholic, there are married priests. Even in Latin Rites, there are married men with papal approval. I would avoid using forbidding married men, because that is misleading.

If you were to admit that the CC does forbid. There would be no married priest period. The Catholic chaplain here, a former Lutheran minister, is married Catholic priest.
I think what you mentioning here are the exceptions rather than the rule. If a married man wanted to become a Jeuit priest, could he?
 
I think what you mentioning here are the exceptions rather than the rule. If a married man wanted to become a Jeuit priest, could he?
The Society of Jesus (The Jesuits) requires celibacy for its priests regardless. The Jesuits would not accept a married man, period. Try another example, maybe?
 
Mannyfit75;2754228]Douay Rheims Bible has a footnote on this:
*2 “Of one wife”… *The meaning is not that every bishop should have a wife (for St. Paul himself had none), but that no one should be admitted to the holy orders of bishop, priest, or deacon, who had been married more than once.
If this were bishop were required to have a wife, then Paul himself would be violating his own ruling.
At this point i’m not saying its a requirement but that married men with a family are excellent candidates for being a bishop. Rome has essentially nullified this.
You have not cited a verse in the Bible that actually had St. Paul condemned celibacy as un-Biblical.
Your right. However, its up to you to support the claim that celibacy is a requirement in scripture for leadership.
Yes he was. He was also a widower. His wife’s name is rarely mentioned in the Bible. You would have to go outside Scripture to figure that one out.
I respond to this elsewhere.
 
The evidence that Peter had a wife throughout his minstry is quite strong. I Corinthians 9:5 certainly implies he had. I think there is also a strong tradition that he and his wife died at about the same time.
That phrase is probably better translated as “sister-wife”. It means, more or less, that on missionary journeys, the Apostles would travel with a woman who would sometimes minister to women in ways it may not have been “kosher” for the apostle to do so. (generally)
 
The evidence that Peter had a wife throughout his minstry is quite strong. I Corinthians 9:5 certainly implies he had. I think there is also a **strong tradition **that he and his wife died at about the same time.
I may have to admit you are correct on this one.
Simon settled in Capharnaum, where he was living with his mother-in-law in his own house (Matthew 8:14; Luke 4:38) at the beginning of Christ’s public ministry (about A.D. 26-28). Simon was thus married, and, according to Clement of Alexandria (Stromata, III, vi, ed. Dindorf, II, 276), had children. The same writer relates the tradition that Peter’s wife suffered martyrdom (ibid., VII, xi ed. cit., III, 306). Concerning these facts, adopted by Eusebius (Hist. Eccl., III, xxxi) from Clement, the ancient Christian literature which has come down to us is silent. Simon pursued in Capharnaum the profitable occupation of fisherman in Lake Genesareth, possessing his own boat (Luke 5:3).
Source: newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm
 
The Society of Jesus (The Jesuits) requires celibacy for its priests regardless. The Jesuits would not accept a married man, period. Try another example, maybe?
Would you agree that this goes against the scripture?
 
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