Why do some Catholics lean politically conservative?

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I did not know that. Interesting.

I know there are other alternatives - Postal Service, military pension, etc. that are for government jobs. I believe railroad employees have a separate plan that is controlled by the government.
 
Or maybe, and I know this will be hard for you to believe, but bear with me, maybe we’ve thought about the issues long and hard and examined how different ideologies have affected the places where they’re practiced. Having done that, we then came to the conclusion that Democratic ideas actively harmed the poor and were bad for the country in general.

I know it’s hard for liberals to envision, but a lot of us conservatives have actually put some thought behind our political ideals. We don’t just buy into whatever our friends are doing.
 
In my case, conservatives seem to acknowledge the fallen nature of mankind. Most progressives think that mankind is perfectable if we jut pass this law or that regulation. It won’t work
 
Ironically, so-called “Progressives” are also the most misanthropic people I’ve ever encountered.
 
Because people do not want to dig beyond “talking points” to understand complex issues.

The most difficult and most joyous penance I ever did was to atone for the years I spent promoting a political agenda that lies to so many good-hearted pro life people.
 
No, I mean this one:


VATICAN CITY (CNS) – The Catholic Church’s position on gun control is not easy to find; there are dozens of speeches and talks and a few documents that call for much tighter regulation of the global arms trade, but what about private gun ownership?

The answer is resoundingly clear: Firearms in the hands of civilians should be strictly limited and eventually completely eliminated.

But you won’t find that statement in a headline or a document subheading. It’s almost hidden in a footnote in a document on crime by the U.S. bishops’ conference and it’s mentioned in passing in dozens of official Vatican texts on the global arms trade.

The most direct statement comes in the bishops’ “Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration: A Catholic Perspective on Crime and Criminal Justice” from November 2000.

“As bishops, we support measures that control the sale and use of firearms and make them safer – especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner – and we reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns.”

That’s followed by a footnote that states: “However, we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions – i.e. police officers, military use – handguns should be eliminated from our society.”

That statement is on the USCCB site somewhere. I have seen it there.
 
They do define the direction of the party, however, as they are its biggest funders.
 
One could argue the same thing about Democrats and ending poverty.
 
Well, whatever you are, your insinuation that conservatives aren’t familiar with Church teachings on social justice is incredibly insulting. I am quite familiar with them, and I believe that conservative ideals do a better job of actually helping the poor than other groups’ ideals. I am also very familiar with the church’s social justice doctrines as they pertain to life issues, which is honestly the biggest reason every Catholic should vote against the left.
 
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ProdglArchitect said:
Well, whatever you are, your insinuation that conservatives aren’t familiar with Church teachings on social justice is incredibly insulting. I am quite familiar with them, and I believe that conservative ideals do a better job of actually helping the poor than other groups’ ideals. I am also very familiar with the church’s social justice doctrines as they pertain to life issues, which is honestly the biggest reason every Catholic should vote against the left.
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I find certain things insulting as well. For one the assumption that all persons labeled with left leanings are pro-choice. Not so. We are not single issue voters though and many of us recognize that there is a difference between prolife and simply “anti-abortion”…Even DACA is a prolife issue. At least Pope Francis seems to believe that as well…Yes indeed, life issues must be addressed between birth and death, which just might include the church’s teaching on the right to migrate to leave bitter conditions and pursue a better life. My goodness, this concept goes back to the Old Testament, look to Israel suffering in Egypt. Catholics should understand this most clearly I would think, they are basic dignity issues.
 
They are basic rights, I agree, and I don’t know a single Republican that is against legal immigration. We just have a problem with people entering our country illegally.

No matter how pressing things like DACA may be, they take back seat when children are literally being torn apart in the womb; and while individual Democrats may not be pro-choice, their party’s stated platform most assuredly is.
 
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I’m conservative because I believe in limited government. There are some things that I believe the government should be able to do- protect life, for example- but I don’t believe it should have unlimited power in every facet of our lives.

And I believe governments to be highly ineffective at best, corrupt at worst- so I’d like our own to be as small as necessary. I’m not libertarian, though- they’re far too relativistic (personally opposed, but) for my tastes.
 
It’s interesting to hear a conservative speak of the Democratic platform as pro-choice after being reminded that individuals that lean left are not all this way. Conservatives are pro-individualism (rugged at that) except when they wish to make a point by lumping a group of individuals into a collective, with usually the most negative connotation’s…socialists, communists, abortionists, and every other “ist” one can think of. hahaha
I don’t care if someone is “legal” or not if there is a need. Sometimes the law is wrong under conditions where dignity is concerned. This would be similar to abortion, which is why the issue is Pro-life. The Shoah, Berlin in the 40’s, it was illegal to harbor Jews. Would you?
 
They lean conservative because the left idolizes abortion and calls those who are against abortion sexist.
 
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No, I’m a real person, albeit who is very interested in politics. I wanted to ask why some Catholic lean more “right” on issues like care for the poor, the environment, health care and immigration to name some.
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I believe there are better ways than allowing government to again fail at solving these issues. Government fails at almost all issues, and when it is successful, it due to being able to throw so much money at an issue that it has to work.
 
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I believe there are better ways than allowing government to again fail at solving these issues. Government fails at almost all issues, and when it is successful, it due to being able to throw so much money at an issue that it has to work.
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Please note the above post RCIAGraduate ^^^^It is not unusual for the “right” (since we’re marginalizing/and labeling) to believe the government is incompetent, except of course when it comes to big military which is most ironic. It is one of the areas government has been most incompetent. We’re the only nation to have dropped an atomic bomb on another nation…This went far beyond even the Old Testament “an eye for an eye”…The concept of small government and big military has never ceased to amaze me.
 
Glennon_P said:
I did not know that. Interesting.

I know there are other alternatives - Postal Service, military pension, etc. that are for government jobs. I believe railroad employees have a separate plan that is controlled by the government.
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You can look up and research the Galveston County Plan, … there used to be a GREAT paper on it, but the economic Web site with that and a lot of other great stuff went off the air.

I continue to search for the previous write-up; found this:




https://www.crosswalk.com/1310868/

http://prince.org/msg/105/59618?pr

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/feb/28/usa.julianborger
 
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