Why do some Catholics lean politically conservative?

[DENNYINMI]

Why don’t liberals, conservatives and moderates come together to build a “Society of Hope” so we can have more happy endings?

I think most persons aren’t pigeon-holed into one camp or the other so easily and this idea is a harmonious goal. A person may be very pro-life yet see at the same time a benefit to programs that assist with fundamental needs so persons can move beyond stagnation. A Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, the goal being eventual complete self sufficiency. Denounced by the left and/or the right for beliefs except where they agree isn’t so uncommon as one might think, yet persons must follow the dictate of the primacy of conscience and disregards the daggers.

 

[Hereiam]

I don’t want this discussion to spiral out of control; meaning I want civil and calm discussion.

Haven’t even looked at any of the 466 other posts, but must admit, I will be joyfully surprised if it doesn’t go south, and quickly.

 

[DENNYINMI]

As a Catholic, LGBT marriage is supposed to be a “non-negotiable.”

But immigration isn’t?

Personally I’d be tempted to vote for the pro-LGBT conservative who opposes illegal immigration over an open borders person. I see letting murderers and drug traffickers into our country as a much bigger threat than the LGBT couple down the street.

Personally, I’m tempted to wonder as I wonder why someone such as a mother with children would attempt a trip in a hot death defying walk across a desert, placing themselves and their daughters in jeopardy of rape if dehydration doesn’t happen first. What would make one do this knowing that incarceration may await with rumors of being separated by children, and I may or may not know the language, or have family that I can count on when I get there?..……….The only thing I am certain of having been a mother of 3, it’s not because it’s an easier path.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Your last argument uses the same logic that terrorists use, pay up or they kill the hostage. Millions for law enforcement and not one penny to bribe potential child murderers.

 

[Augustinian]

The United States has a great safety net available if they make it. All kinds free benefits await, especially in sanctuary cities.

Although a lot of asylum seekers and illegal aliens are not familiar with the fact that the Dominions of Canada offer a lot more in this regard. Giving illegals the option of a travel pass through America and to the Canadian frontier where they can also apply for asylum should be something we can do for the migrants.

Canada is a lot easier as far as admittance and offers a lot more.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Why don’t liberals, conservatives and moderates come together to build a “Society of Hope” so we can have more happy endings?

I was thinking about this sort of thing early this morning. We have leaders who do not speak of hope, who prefer to conspire than inspire, who sow seeds of doubt, fear, anger. Folks around us are living and acting out that fear.

 

[TheLittleLady]

because you’re surrounded by people who are already in poverty,

Have you read much of Ruby Payne’s work? I attended a workshop about a decade ago, it helped me understand the complexities of moving out of generational poverty. I’m guessing you would find her books of interest!

 

[TheLittleLady]

The United States has a great safety net available if they make it. All kinds free benefits await, especially in sanctuary cities

I urge you to volunteer with your local Catholic Charities Immigration Office. The rumors of this bounty of free stuff is more legend than fact.

 

[DENNYINMI]

I was thinking about this sort of thing early this morning. We have leaders who do not speak of hope, who prefer to conspire than inspire, who sow seeds of doubt, fear, anger. Folks around us are living and acting out that fear.

Ah, fear!~What a mouth full you’ve said…We’ve seen a nation (like historically we’ve seen before) fear the scapegoats in ways we haven’t heard of until particular figures in history came into power. Usually the results have been atrocious, with border closings to the scapegoats to boot!~
Demonized. And no one “knew” or bothered to turn over a rock to see what it is exactly the scapegoat was attempting to escape, I obviously speak of the immigrant and refugee when I say this. History repeats itself every so often……….It wasn’t so long ago John McCain was marked by our current president as not a hero because he was captured. Our president stated he did not believe he was a hero because he was captured, he preferred persons who weren’t captured. Today as a nation watches the funeral of John McCain, is there a doubt he was an American hero? I think not.

I believe history will tell of the era we live in right now similarly to how we feel of John McCain, today. We’ll look back and see the ridiculousness of certain figures to discredit our traditions. Helping the immigrant and the refugee as one of them.

 

[Augustinian]

It wasn’t so long ago John McCain was marked by our current president as not a hero because he was captured. Our president stated he did not believe he was a hero because he was captured, he preferred persons who weren’t captured.

Mr. Trump’s attack on McCain in 2015 was due to a provocation, Denny. McCain had previously attacked Mr. Trump’s supporters as “crazies”.

I think the relative large coverage about McCain’s funeral has to do with the fact that McCain never got over that counterpunch by Trump and held a grudge against the President even barring him from the funeral.

Other leading senators have passed in office, ones with greater Senate records and more illustrious war records, but a lot less coverage.

 

[DENNYINMI]

I didn’t know until recently that McCain was offered release from capture but refused to go until those captured first were released before himself. This is so admirable and is above and beyond most pow stories I’ve ever heard of.
I’d also be willing to place a bet Trump didn’t know this story at the time either. He does have a habit of speaking “off the cuff”…A comment such as that demonstrated more than a provoke toward John McCain. A comment such as that demonstrated a ________________, I’m at a loss of words this morning and I’m not going to waste too much time attempting to define a behavior I’m unfamiliar with, it’s foreign from the type of household I was surrounded by in my youth and the type of friends I surround myself with in the autumn of life.

 

[midori]

Absolutely! I really enjoy “A Framework for Understanding Poverty”, and she was the one who helped me realize that it goes so much beyond just money.

She also helped me better understand people who are from generational wealth, and why me and my values/priorities are just as much foreign to them as those in generational poverty are to me.

I really liked her example of eating:

In a more impoverished group of people, the polite thing to ask is, “Did you get enough?” Because quantity is the biggest issue.

In a more middle class group of people, the default question is, “Did it taste okay?” Because you assume everyone had enough to eat— the question is, was it quality enough?

In a more elite group of people, the default question is something more about presentation, like, “Was it attractive?” Because you assume no one’s going hungry, and you assume that of course it tastes awesome, and so the focus now centers on things like “plating” and “aesthetics”.

I remember a group of us going out to an upscale restaurant when a former boss was retiring. His wife came with us, and she asked the waiter about the special. He explained how there was this heritage tomato that had come across the Mayflower with the Pilgrims, and she said, “That sounds interesting-- I think I’ll have it.” And when her meal arrived… she had a $40 sliced tomato with a few bits of salad greens for decoration.

Me, if I’m going to go out and spend $40 on a fancy lunch, I’m going to try and order something I can’t make at home— like something with an awesome sauce. I’m not worried about heritage tomatoes-- if I want a heritage tomato, I’ll try growing some in my back yard. But if some of my friends who live closer to the edge want to go out for lunch, they’re going to go to the all-you-can-eat buffet on crab leg night for $15-$20.

 

[signit]

I urge you to volunteer with your local Catholic Charities Immigration Office. The rumors of this bounty of free stuff is more legend than fact.

It’s not completely a legend.

People have posted on here saying that illegals aren’t eligible to get this or that benefit.

But there’s such a thing as fraud. There’s also identity theft.

Gee, illegals don’t get benefits? This illegal who killed a citizen was getting state-funded health care?

https://patch.com/massachusetts/mil...-benefits-for-criminal-illegal-alien_abb6e4d4

And, that’s another reason why I oppose sanctuary cities and sanctuary states (as the other poster mentioned). Sanctuary cities and sanctuary states have the potential to be a budget buster by attracting illegals who receive benefits.

 

[signit]

Families living paycheck to paycheck don’t pay taxes. Tax cuts don’t help them.

Oh, believe me, they do.

I grew up in one.

And it wasn’t a $250,000 per year family either.

The recent tax cuts helped 80% of Massachusetts taxpayers. That’s not just “the rich.” If the Democrats really cared about the working class they’d support it.

 

[TheLittleLady]

And, that’s another reason why I oppose sanctuary cities and sanctuary states

Would you provide me your definition of a Sanctuary City? In my work, I work with a definition that has nothing to do with benefits or entitlements or free bounty. My gut says we are working from differing definitions.

The official term “Sanctuary City” refers to a municipality where they have determined that their local law enforcement officers will not act as federal agents. They require the federal agencies to do their own work.

They may also offer drivers’ licenses or State IDs to those who have only documents from another country in limited circumstances.

 

[midori]

“Joined 7 minutes ago” and this is your first thread?

 

[signit]

Would you provide me your definition of a Sanctuary City? In my work, I work with a definition that has nothing to do with benefits or entitlements or free bounty. My gut says we are working from differing definitions.

As I suggested, sanctuary cities tend to attract illegals because illegals know they’ll be less likely to be deported. Since some illegals get benefits, they’ll then become a financial burden on those cities and their respective states.

Would you provide me your definition of a Sanctuary City? In my work, I work with a definition that has nothing to do with benefits or entitlements or free bounty. My gut says we are working from differing definitions.

The official term “Sanctuary City” refers to a municipality where they have determined that their local law enforcement officers will not act as federal agents. They require the federal agencies to do their own work.

They may also offer drivers’ licenses or State IDs to those who have only documents from another country in limited circumstances.

I’m not disputing your definition.

In other words, an illegal immigrant who has previously been deported gets released from a local jail. The local authorities don’t report him to the federal authorities, and as a result he can kill somebody:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/kate-steinle-wrongful-death-suit/index.html

 

[MonteRCMS]

Many in the media say there’s a conservative war on science. Is this true? No, says John Tierney, Contributing Editor at the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal. Tierney says “the real war on science is the one from the left.”

 

[Gab123]

Simply because the “Left” is for massive government and corrupt social engineering; they push and support murdering children through abortion in the name of freedom; they institutionalize and celebrate sodomy in the name of equality; they use the poor and the downtrodden for votes and dividing people against one another in the name of justice, and their policies have destroyed entire communities; they push Marxist ideology, which is rooted in atheism and the rights of the individual and they leave misery, strife, division and hatred in their wake. Formerly flourishing vibrant communities of ages past have become war-torn wastelands of brokenness; they strive to drive the masses like cattle turning entire people’s into voting blocks and ambitious politicians becoming wealthy on the backs of the voters. Just look at all the devastated communities, they are all “blue state” strongholds that generate massive number of votes.

 

[TheLittleLady]

There are criminals from every country, in every country.

Speaking of people as people, respecting the dignity of the person is so lost when you refer to real human beings as “illegals”.

Jesus knows our sins yet calls us by our names. Satan knows our names yet calls us by our sins.