WHy do some non catholics "fear" Mary?

[BRB1]

.Christ called all who believe in Him His “brothers” in a spiritual sense. That does not make Mary your mother. Else my mother is also your mother, and yours mine. Which would also pertain to all who qualify as Jesus’ brothers. IOW, you’d have millions of mothers. QUOTE]

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Matt 12:48-50 … “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers ! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

Christ clearly teaches here that all Christians are related to him and each other.

Md … for you to say that Mary is not your mother is not properly aligned with SS — if you be an adopted child in family of Christ. One cannot separate the spirit from the body, as you do here, and claim Christ meant ONLY spiritual connections.

Afterall we all share Adam/Eve’s original DNA. You share same DNA connections as Mary … to original man/woman. Yes, you are a different shoot (branch) off the DNA tree, but all branches spring forth from the same trunk … and share the same roots.

Moreover, since Mary was the first NT Christian … if you be Christian, your adoption into Christ also links you to Jesus, thru Mary’s spirit. All Christians share same spiritual connectivity back to Christ … thru 50 generations of our New Covenant Forebears.

 

[moondweller]

Matt 12:48-50 … “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers ! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

Christ clearly teaches here that all Christians are related to him and each other.

Did you not catch the word “My” in the above passage?

Md … for you to say that Mary is not your mother is not properly aligned with SS — if you be an adopted child in family of Christ. One cannot separate the spirit from the body, as you do here, and claim Christ meant ONLY spiritual connections.

Afterall we all share Adam/Eve’s original DNA. You share same DNA connections as Mary … to original man/woman. Yes, you are a different shoot (branch) off the DNA tree, but all branches spring forth from the same trunk … and share the same roots.

We’re all (including Mary) born into Adam’s fallen race. But I’ve been “born again,” and that without water. IOW, all my history in Adam (the “old self”) died with Christ on the cross and I’ve been raised to new life “in Him,” the resurrected Christ, the “Second Man,” the “Last Adam.” I have no more connection with Adam or his fallen race. That may be the case with you, but not me.

Moreover, ince Mary was the first NT Christian …

Mary is mentioned as being with the 120 in the upper room, along with her other sons (Acts 1:14), but she is nowhere described as “the first Christian.” It would carry no significance anyway.

if you be Christian, your adoption into Christ also links you to Jesus, thru Mary’s spirit.

Blasphemy! I am born again into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

 

[BRB1]

Blasphemy!

I am born again into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

All Christians share the same spirit of Christ. Thus, you and Mary would be “In Christ” … and you her kinship and she yours a grandmother to you ]… Yes/No ??

Why are you so upset with this teaching of Paul … which he got from the Lord ?

 

[moondweller]

All Christians share the same spirit of Christ. Thus, you and Mary would be “In Christ” … and you her kinship and she yours a grandmother to you ]… Yes/No ??

No, my friend, my history in Adam ended at the cross with Christ. My new identity is now forever in the resurrected Christ - the “Last Adam.” Presently I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit in Whom I am “sealed” for the day of the redemption of my yet unredeemed body (Eph. 4:30; Eph. 1:13; 2 Cor. 1:22). NONE of this has to do with Mary being my mother or grandmother.

Why are you so upset with this teaching of Paul … which he got from the Lord ?

Paul taught nothing on Mary. Can you show me where he even mentioned her name? Except that brief mention of her in the first chapter of Acts can you show me where the doctrine of her universal motherhood is taught in any of the Epistles? How do you come up with the idea that the doctrine of her universal motherhood is Pauline? Does it escape you that I have a Bible which contains Paul’s writings?

 

[KingAlfred]

For lack of better terms, some(not all ) non catholics are “afraid” of the catholic ‘version’ of mary, like she is some demon, or foreign goddess. Please explain. Clearly in the bible she is honored " from now on all generations shall call me blessed " and she was completely obedient with faith. " I am the handmaiden of the lord. Let it be done to me as you say."
Based on the bible then, there is nothing to be afraid of. So why all the anxiety. If Christ is our brother, which is in the bible IIRC, then his mother is our mother. Why do some non catholic christians seem to minimize Mary so much?

Anti-Marion obsessions come from Evangelical brainwashing, IMO. Looking at the matter objectively, how could any Christian justify refusing to honor the Mother of God?

 

[moondweller]

Anti-Marion obsessions come from Evangelical brainwashing, IMO.

Or, they object the RC version of Mary because its non-Biblical.

Looking at the matter objectively,

Actually the whole matter must be believed on a subjective basis: The beliefs and opinions of other men.

how could any Christian justify refusing to honor the Mother of God?

Refusing to accept the non-Biblical Marian doctrines of Catholicism is not refusing to honor the mother of Jesus. OTOH, saying things about her that are not true does not honor her. Even if those things might be good things.

 

[traillius]

My faith is in the trinity, If yours is in Jesus alone, than you can settle up with the Father, and the holy spirit, when you face them.

 

[moondweller]

My faith is in the trinity, If yours is in Jesus alone, than you can settle up with the Father, and the holy spirit, when you face them.

Not accepting the term “theotokos,” translated today as “mother of God,” does not preclude belief in the Trinity.

 

[BRB1]

No, my friend, my history in Adam ended at the cross with Christ. My new identity is now forever in the resurrected Christ - the “Last Adam.”

NONE of this has to do with Mary being my mother or grandmother.?

Your history in Adam & EVE] … was covered by the Cross.

Christ is the new Adam, and Mary the second Eve. Mary the earthly mother of the God-Man Christ … and your ‘Grand’-mother. Mary’s identity is in Christ, so if you are ‘in Christ’ [as Paul teaches all the elect are] … then you and your G’mother are unified by
3rd person of Trinity.

As the scriptures teach “Honor your Father and Mother”.

 

[BRB1]

Did you not catch the word “My” in the above passage?.

Yes, I note the word ‘my’. And, Christ says all who Do the Will of the Father … are HIS brother, sister, & mother.

But, look closely at his first response …"Here are my mother(singular) and my brothers (plural).

Christ had only one mother … Mary, [which his answer here acknowledges]. All the rest of the elect are either his brothers or sisters.

Now you finally see it … Don’t you just love the Catholic Church? It’s got the full truth on any issue you desire to explore.

 

[moondweller]

Your history in Adam & EVE] … was covered by the Cross.

I had no history in Eve. You lack understanding of man’s federal headship in Adam (not Eve).Rom 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned–”…i.e., in that one man. Read on and you’ll see that through the one act of righteousness (the cross) by the One Man, Jesus Christ, those who believe in Him are made righteous in Him (Rom. 5:19; see also 2 Cor. 5:21). The true believer is no longer seen by God as a sinner in Adam, but in the risen Christ, forever made righteous.

No, my history in Adam wasn’t “covered” by the cross - it ended, forever, at the cross. I am now identified in the risen Christ (my new Federal Head) with whom I (my old self in Adam) was crucified and in whom I (the new self in Christ) am raised to new life (Rom. 6:6; Gal. 2:20; Eph. 2:5-7; Col. 3:1-4).

The cause of condemnation death and judgment was through one man. The cause of forgiveness of sins and the free gift of righteousness is also through one Man (the “second Man,” the Last Adam")

This is all according to what Paul called “my gospel.” When you understand this you’ll understand the significance of faith in Christ alone in respect to salvation and eternal life.

I could recommend a really good book for you, MRB. PM me if interested.

 

[BRB1]

I could recommend a really good book for you, MRB. PM me if interested.

Sola Scriptura is all you claim as your ‘basis for faith’ / ‘sword of the spirit’.

Very interesting to hear you are reading OTHER writings propaganda ? ]

 

[freedomwriter]

Protestants view this as symbolic of the pre-Christian Church or Faithful Judaism.

Protestants believe that this points to the Nation of Israel

 

[moondweller]

Sola Scriptura is all you claim as your ‘basis for faith’ / ‘sword of the spirit’.

Rom 10:17 “So faith {comes} from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.”

Very interesting to hear you are reading OTHER writings propaganda ? ]

I have a library full of theology books, commentaries, history books, O.T. and N.T. surveys, Greek tools, etc. I’ve read most of them. I’m not a CPA, BRB. What’s a CPA? “Cut and Paste Apologist,”

…like you find all over this forum. Pseudo “apologists” produced by the invention of the Internet. They don’t do any study or real thinking since all they have to do is “cut and paste” from the efforts of those with whom they agree. Little thought is ever involved.

I, however, have actually done the reading and put in many hours of study which required thinking.

“Propaganda” is a relative term.

 

[moondweller]

Protestants believe that this points to the Nation of Israel

Depends on the Protestant. I, for one, see the woman in Rev. 12, contextually, as referring to the nation of Israel (Jacob’s twelve tribes). She being “clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars,” alludes to Gen. 37:9-11.

Michael the archangel (12:7) is revealed in the O.T. as the protector of national Israel, and that prophetic scene in Rev. 12 is also describe in Dan. 12:1.

Rev. 12 has nothing to do with Mary or the church but national Israel in her “latter days,” at the time of what is called “Jacob’s trouble” (see Dan. 12:9; Jer. 30:7).