Why do some Protestants slander us?

[AlegreFe]

The Methodist have Holy Mystery Eucharist.
Christ is everymuch as present in our Eucharist as yours.

Not true.

We just believe it to be in a purely Spiritual sense rather than think that we are eating his flesh and blood.
Christ exists INSIDE the elements in spiritual form.
WP

That is Luther’s definition of Consubstantiation which we do not believe in. We believe in Transubstantiation.

Please read my post on the validity of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.

Here are a couple of paragraphs from an article in This Rock magazine;

One of the reasons the term “Real Presence” has become a
flexible friend is because it has been lifted from its full context.
Historically, theologians spoke of “the real presence of Christ’s
body and blood in the sacrament of the altar.” But now it has
been shortened to the “Real Presence.” Reference to the body
and blood has been quietly dropped and even the name of Christ
omitted. As a result, for some people “Real Presence” has come
to mean simply “the idea of the risen Lord” or “the Spirit of Christ”
or even just “the fellowship of the church.” In fact, the term “Real
Presence” could mean just about anything to anybody. There are
probably even some New Agers who talk about the “Real
Presence” of the Christ within.
…

Catholics believe in a corporeal, substantial presence of Christ in
the Eucharist. It is not just a spiritual presence. The whole Christ
is present—body, blood, soul, and divinity. Furthermore,
Catholics believe in an objective presence, not one that is
available only to those who receive in faith. Latimer’s colleague
Ridley makes their position about the Real Presence most clear.
Writing in the Oxford Disputations of 1554, he said, “The true
Church doth acknowledge a Presence of Christ’s body in the
Lord’s Supper to be communicated to the godly by grace . . .
spiritually and by a sacramental signification, but not as a
corporeal Presence of the body of his flesh.”

As far as eating His flesh & blood that is what God commanded of us.

48 I am the bread of life.

51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven;
whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I
will give is my flesh for the life of the world."

53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do
not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me
and I in him. John 6:48, 51, 53-56

These scripture verses are very CLEAR to me that we are to EAT the FLESH of Jesus Christ in order to have LIFE within us.

 

[AlegreFe]

Paternoster Cord was a cord of fifty knots or beads which was used as an aid in saying the Our Father prayer, it was called saying “the fifties”. It was replaced by the Rosary in the Middle Ages. I personally agree with the Paternoster Cord.

It is Pater Noster; two words, not one. Pater being “Father” and Noster being “Our.”

sandmountainsli:

Some Catholic practices and the approximate date of their adoption into the church.

Bunch of hooey.

 

[sandmountainsli]

It is Pater Noster; two words, not one. Pater being “Father” and Noster being “Our.”

Bunch of hooey.

Hello, discussion from last week!

 

[bella5110]

The Methodist have Holy Mystery Eucharist.
Christ is everymuch as present in our Eucharist as yours.
We just believe it to be in a purely Spiritual sense rather than think that we are eating his flesh and blood.
Christ exists INSIDE the elements in spiritual form.
WP

Again, :banghead: the priest is the only one who can change The Bread and Wine into The Body and blood of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. We as Catholics TRULY EAT His Body and Blood.

Holy MYSTERY Eucharist?

 

[Steadfast]

Again, :banghead: the priest is the only one who can change The Bread and Wine into The Body and blood of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. We as Catholics TRULY EAT His Body and Blood.

Holy MYSTERY Eucharist?

Yes, we know this is what you believe.

We disagree.

 

[sandmountainsli]

Again, :banghead: the priest is the only one who can change The Bread and Wine into The Body and blood of Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Holy MYSTERY Eucharist?

A Methodist clergyman can do the same.
Thanks to God.
Mssrs Coke, Wesley, Asbury along with St Augustine made certain of that:thumbsup:
WP

 

[AlegreFe]

All it means to me is that I am stating the truth as I believe it and that will sure to offend many.

Depending on what “truth” you are stating I would call it as “stating your opinon” as opposed to “stating the truth.” Facts are Facts and are not subjective but rather objective. So the TRUTH of Purgatory cannot be based only on our opinion. If you don’t believe in Purgatory that does not mean that it does not exist. It exists whether you believe it or not. Sorry but those are the FACTS and what I would call the TRUTH, and not just an opinion.

ALLFORHIM:

Same on the flip side. When catholics state a truth they believe it can come across as offensive to a protestant. It all depends on your tone. As we know, tone is difficult to tell over the internet.

When a Catholic states a TRUTH when coming from the Teachings of the Church which are the Teachings of Jesus Christ, that is what it is, THE TRUTH.

As far as “tone,” I agree with you there. We should be careful with tone. But just as you said, it is difficult to tell over the internet unless you use smilies.

 

[Steadfast]

Then what constitutes truth?

Why do you get to call the teachings of your church TRUTH, while we have to be satisfied with the designation “opinion”?

 

[AlegreFe]

bella5110:

Again, the priest is the only one who can change The Bread and Wine into The Body and blood of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. We as Catholics TRULY EAT His Body and Blood.
Holy MYSTERY Eucharist?

Yes, we know this is what you believe.
We disagree.

It is not JUST what we BELIEVE. It is OBJECTIVE TRUTH. Just because you believe that YOUR “host” or “eucharist” can be changed does NOT make it true.

 

[sandmountainsli]

Then what constitutes truth?

Why do you get to call the teachings of your church TRUTH, while we have to be satisfied with the designation “opinion”?

This will be construed as an attack but is not meant to be one.
I have figured out that arguing with Catholics is ALOT like discussing theology with the Church of Christ or LDS folks.
They all believe they are the only true church and of course I disagree.
I believe the true Church of God is made up of people and the Lord and not by any particular earthly power structure.

There’s only one authority
that’s the authority on high.
-Bob Dylan

WP

 

[Steadfast]

It is not JUST what we BELIEVE. It is OBJECTIVE TRUTH. Just because you believe that YOUR “host” or “eucharist” can be changed does NOT make it true.

Yes, you believe it to be OBJECTIVE TRUTH. And you are quite right, just believing something to be true doesn’t make it so.

 

[sandmountainsli]

I challenge anyone to make a cohesive argument that the line of ordination which led to Wesley cannot be traced back to Augustine and hence back to the Apostles.
Methodist ministers have been laid hands on in a line stretching back to the beginnings of the faith. Same is true with the Episcies.
The Eucharist is valid.
WP

 

[JKirkLVNV]

As a Catholic, I obviously think Protestants are in error. As a former Protestant, however, I’m often amazed at some statments I’ve heard Catholics make about Protestants, statements that are eggregiously ignorant of what various Protestant groups actually believe (I say that with the caveat that the very numerous divisions among Protestants make it difficult to actually determine what they believe as a whole). What bothers me MORE, I must say, is something else: the attitude on the parts of some Catholics that is dismissive of Protestants on the grounds of “well, what do you expect?” or " Who cares? WE hold the fullness of truth!" I agree, the Catholic Church DOES hold the fullness of Truth. I think it would be well for us to remember that all we hold, both corporately and individually, is entirely a gift of God’s Grace and that we have nothing about which we can boast or strut or use to look down our nose at others.

Yes, Protestants may, at worst, “slander” Protestants. We should not return slander for slander. Also, we should try not to talk past each other.

 

[AlegreFe]

Then what constitutes truth?

Why do you get to call the teachings of your church TRUTH, while we have to be satisfied with the designation “opinion”?

Did you read my full post? I said "Depending on what ‘truth’ you are stating." I never said that Protestants don’t have ANY Truths at all. We have more in common than not.

I can easily say that the Teachings of the Church are the Teachings of Jesus Christ because we have Apostolic Succession. We also have history of Tradition.

 

[bella5110]

This will be construed as an attack but is not meant to be one.
I have figured out that arguing with Catholics is ALOT like discussing theology with the Church of Christ or LDS folks.
They all believe they are the only true church and of course I disagree.
I believe the true Church of God is made up of people and the Lord and not by any particular earthly power structure.

There’s only one authority
that’s the authority on high.
-Bob Dylan

WP

And this also will be construed as an attack, I can say that talking to a Protestant is like talking to a cactus plant.

And of course you disagree, you’ve disagreed since 1517.

TO BE DEEP IN HISTORY, IS TO CEASE TO BE PROTESTANT—JHN

 

[sandmountainsli]

And this also will be construed as an attack, I can say that talking to a Protestant is like talking to a cactus plant.

And of course you disagree, you’ve disagreed since 1517.

TO BE DEEP IN HISTORY, IS TO CEASE TO BE PROTESTANT—JHN

Of course I disagree with you. Trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork, talkin to you Catholics!
You know that I AM a rarity, I am a Protestant Neo-Jacobite Confederate-American Chap
Find another of those!
WP

 

[Steadfast]

And this also will be construed as an attack, I can say that talking to a Protestant is like talking to a cactus plant.

And of course you disagree, you’ve disagreed since 1517.

TO BE DEEP IN HISTORY, IS TO CEASE TO BE PROTESTANT—JHN

To be deep in history is to cease to be hoodwinked by the Pope - MKG

 

[AlegreFe]

Of course I disagree with you. Trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork, talkin to you Catholics!

You call yourself a Christian talking like that?

sandmountainsli:

You know that I AM a rarity, I am a Protestant Neo-Jacobite Confederate-American Chap
Find another of those!
WP

Boy, I would not like to be considered among only ONE person in the Church of Jesus Christ. I have a billion brothers & sisters in the Catholic Church. And even more with those who consider themselves Christian. :yup:

 

[bella5110]

Of course I disagree with you. Trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork, talkin to you Catholics!
You know that I AM a rarity, I am a Protestant Neo-Jacobite Confederate-American Chap
Find another of those!
WP

Uh, you mean your a “I don’t know what I am, but it looks good to instigate the Catholics.”?

 

[AlegreFe]

To be deep in history is to cease to be hoodwinked by the Pope - MKG

These insults are getting out of hand. You call yourself a Christian?

What you say is NOT true. Have you ever studied Church History? I can answer that for you if you think it means “to cease to be hoodwinked by the Pope” and that is NO, you have NOT studied Church History.