Why do some stay in the Catholic Church while seeming to hate the Church with all their being?

[TimeEntrance]

And sorry but it makes no sense when people who claim to be Catholic don’t even believe that Jesus divinely instituted the Church. Do they see the Church as some kind of exclusive country club or a glorified welfare department?

I agree with you on that one. It does not bother me if the person says they no longer practice Catholicism. I have plenty of extended family members that don’t.

It bothers me when the person is deeply involved in the Catholic church whether they are laity, priests, or nuns.

But I think the Church has been suffering from a breakdown in discipline for many decades now. In my opinion it is visible in nuns dressing in “civilian” clothing and not covering their head/hair.

Uniforms are important. Not the most important thing. But they do have an important function and means of communication they can carry. And in the Marine Corps you uniform was very important. For some police and fire departments I would hazard the same thing.

Breakdowns in discipline seems “cool” to the public until it hits their police departments and military.

I think what drives a lot of the controversy over homosexuality–at least when it comes to anger–are issues of controlling people. I was thinking this when I was listening to news interviews about the 3 girls abducted in Cleveland that escaped. One expert said men that do this want control over the persons they abduct. A perverse sexual control over them.

And it reminds me of my ex-con uncle that always likes to be in control and beats up women.

I think members both sexes like to control others but that usually the means to control are expressed differently in men and women. Men tend to be a lot more violent. They like to use fear and intimidate others into submission.

And like autism and retardation I think there are varying degrees to control issues people can have. I think critics of homosexuality that are frequently angry over homosexuals living homosexually, have mild issues on control. If those issues of control are fed too much and not restrained I would suspect they could turn violent (executing homosexuals, or raiding their homes), or possibly take a turn toward sexual perversion. Maybe that is why some heterosexual men have raped homosexual men as a means to humiliate them?

 

[Fairwinds]

Straw man.

1. When has it ever happened that police were “raiding homes and breaking down bedroom doors” because of a sodomy law?
2. You ignore the fact that I said that the law can apply equally to everyone. In other words, I didn’t single anyone out. Punishment equality.
3. I never said that a law such as this should involve “raiding homes and breaking down bedroom doors”.

I didn’t say you supported breaking down bedroom doors it, although I’m surprised at your lax notion of enforcement. sodomy isn’t that important a crime?

 

[manualman]

The Church exists for us to come to Christ, even with all our flaws. Those flaws have a greater chance of being removed through His Church.

This is true, but only is true if those who come into the church come into a community in which they are able to discern good from evil. If they are entering a community in which evil is celebrated as good and nobody objects, then how exactly are they even going to KNOW if they have flaws? If the church no longer teaches good from evil by tolerating those who openly insist that evil is good, then nobody will do anything but feel good about who they are right now and rationalize away any flaws they have.

The church has to rebuke sinners, but in a way to allows us to know that we are loved and that the rebuke comes from a motive that wants to see us healed. When people actively undermine church teaching and the church does nothing about it, she loses much of her ability to witness. The light is covered under a bushell basket. The community becomes a mutual self-satisfaction society instead of a church.

Read the Fr. Andrew Greely article and found it very sad. He’s a catholic because he likes the outward forms, the art, the liturgy and the beauty? Not because he recognizes his sinfulness and his need to be redeemed and sanctified? Not because he believes that Christ really did give us the sacraments and make us into the body of Christ in order to achieve that? Ouch.

 

[livingwordunity]

This is true, but only is true if those who come into the church come into a community in which they are able to discern good from evil. If they are entering a community in which evil is celebrated as good and nobody objects, then how exactly are they even going to KNOW if they have flaws? If the church no longer teaches good from evil by tolerating those who openly insist that evil is good, then nobody will do anything but feel good about who they are right now and rationalize away any flaws they have.

Yes. I get tired of hearing self-righteous politicians claiming to be a “Catholic in good standing” when they are promoting things like abortion, euthanasia, and so-called "same-sex marriage.

 

[manualman]

Yes. I get tired of hearing self-righteous politicians claiming to be a “Catholic in good standing” when they are promoting things like abortion, euthanasia, and so-called "same-sex marriage.

And when said politician’s pastor and bishop stands by while he walks up for communion, glad-handles in the narthex and claims the mantle of catholicism, no wonder Joe Pewsitter figures abortion really can’t be all THAT bad, can it? It’s not like we’d let a KKK guy get away with that, why do we permit it for guys who enable the slaughter of children?

I get it, I’m frustrated too, but I also have to face that he’s the pastor and I’m not. It’s a hard job with a lot of competing goals, sometimes conflicting ones. Better for me to pray for him than to denounce the job he’s doing. But it would be nice if the doctrine and the real world outcomes lined up a bit more often!

 

[livingwordunity]

And when said politician’s pastor and bishop stands by while he walks up for communion, glad-handles in the narthex and claims the mantle of catholicism, no wonder Joe Pewsitter figures abortion really can’t be all THAT bad, can it? It’s not like we’d let a KKK guy get away with that, why do we permit it for guys who enable the slaughter of children?

I get it, I’m frustrated too, but I also have to face that he’s the pastor and I’m not. It’s a hard job with a lot of competing goals, sometimes conflicting ones. Better for me to pray for him than to denounce the job he’s doing. But it would be nice if the doctrine and the real world outcomes lined up a bit more often!

It seems like the epitome of pride and arrogance when they say “I’m a Catholic in good standing” even though they publicly promote what the Catholic Church has said over and over again are intrinsic evils. I don’t support these things, and I wouldn’t ever describe myself as “a Catholic in good standing” because I know that would be arrogant and presumptuous. And now with so-called “same-sex marriage” they have crossed boldly into heresy with a denial of the truth of the sacrament of marriage.