Why Do The Mormons Do It Better?

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My town has both a strong Mormon and Catholic presence. I notice that, unlike in the past - we’ve got loads of Mormon families with 6,7,8 kids - and most of the Catholic families in my parish have two - maybe three. Four is a very large family. It used to be that you asked if someone was Catholic if they had a busload of children - and now we ask if they are LDS.

What are they doing right that we are not? How is it that so many LDS families welcome large numbers of children, and Catholic families are no longer seen as “the ones with all the kids?”

Obviously, there is a ton with regard to the LDS church that I vehemently disagree with - but they’ve obviously got the babymaking down! What can we learn from this aspect of their faith and culture?

People say that Catholic families are limiting childbearing because of overall societal pressures - but the Mormons don’t seem to be affected like this, and we’re all in the same town.
 
My town has both a strong Mormon and Catholic presence. I notice that, unlike in the past - we’ve got loads of Mormon families with 6,7,8 kids - and most of the Catholic families in my parish have two - maybe three. Four is a very large family. It used to be that you asked if someone was Catholic if they had a busload of children - and now we ask if they are LDS.

What are they doing right that we are not? How is it that so many LDS families welcome large numbers of children, and Catholic families are no longer seen as “the ones with all the kids?”

Obviously, there is a ton with regard to the LDS church that I vehemently disagree with - but they’ve obviously got the babymaking down! What can we learn from this aspect of their faith and culture?

People say that Catholic families are limiting childbearing because of overall societal pressures - but the Mormons don’t seem to be affected like this, and we’re all in the same town.
Just .02 from a 17 year Mormon. I think it’s because of the strong emphasis on getting married in the LDS church. Now I know that the Catholic church has a heavy emphasis on strong family life and bearing children but the LDS church takes it to the NEXT level. There is HUGE pressure on LDS young single adults (members 18-31) to marry. This is one of the big reasons why this age group has their own wards (equiv of a parish), so they can meet, pair up and get married. A young LDS missionary returns from his mission (generally) at age 21. He comes back to school to his YSA ward, dates around a bit and gets married at 21-22 to a girl who is 19-22 and if they start having babies right away that’s a LONG child bearing period.

Just my thought.
 
I imagine the smaller family size is directly related to the use of birth control by Catholics. According to a 2005 Harris poll, 90% of Catholics support the use of birth control. In America, when families start using birth control, the family size generally decreases because it’s easier to economically support a small family.

Also, I believe that because Catholics aren’t nearly the minority religion that LDS are, they don’t feel pressure to spread the religion through procreation.
 
shrug Family sizes are down in Utah. Growing up, everyone had 5,6,8,12 kids. Now, more than four is a rarity, most Mormon families here have two or three.

Interesting enough, it is the Catholics here with large families who others confuse as being Mormon.

I wouldn’t think becoming Mormon is a solution a person being in conflict with the Church’s teaching on contraception, or, a solution to finding it difficult to adhere to those teachings. Jumping from the frying pan into the fire comes to mind.
 
American Catholic home schooling families are oftentimes large, over 4 children, very well behaved, and highly educated.
 
Also, it can be traced to their dogma of how there are still spirits in the pre-existance waiting to come to earth, get their bodies, and continue on the “plan of salvation”

I don’t know if you have ever heard of the Mormon play called “My Turn on Earth”. It demonstrates this doctrine in a very simply way.
 
I laughed out loud at the title of this thread… 😃

… and that’s about as much (name removed by moderator)ut as I can contribute to the topic. :o
 
Im only a teenager, but wouldnt it be hugely expensive to raise a 12 kid family in the expectations of todays society? Everyone must have a tv, the latest iphone, the latest ipod, etc.
 
My town has both a strong Mormon and Catholic presence. I notice that, unlike in the past - we’ve got loads of Mormon families with 6,7,8 kids - and most of the Catholic families in my parish have two - maybe three. Four is a very large family. It used to be that you asked if someone was Catholic if they had a busload of children - and now we ask if they are LDS.

What are they doing right that we are not?
Mormon women are treated worse on average. Perhaps it’s a matter of men wanting a certain number of children and Catholic women putting a limit on that while Mormon women don’t have the option.

I can’t help but notice that Muslim women are, on average, treated pretty badly within the religion of Islam as well. And Muslims also tend to have more babies than anyone else. Some of this has to do with the part of the world you’re from, but that’s clearly not all there is to it- Muslim fertility continues to outpace everyone else when you’re talking about, for example, Muslim immigrants to Europe.

The Mexican-American comparison comes to mind as well. Gender roles and spousal expectations are pretty different from one culture to the other, and I’ve gotten to see that with a variety of combinations- American women with Mexican men, Mexican women with American men, Mexican women who start with a Mexican man and then wind up with an American man- and on average, although I can tell you from experience that there are notable exceptions, Mexican women tend to be treated in a way that’s more restrictive. That has less to do with religion (usually Catholic) and more to do with culture, and you can see how this bears out when you make apples-to-apples (Catholic-to-Catholic) comparisons between cultures. You’ll also notice that Mexicans are far more fertile than Americans (whether they’re Catholic, Protestant, or anything else), and this continues to be the case three or four generations after Mexicans emigrate to America.

For whatever reason, I guess the 21st century woman (whether she’s Christian, atheist, or anything else) is someone who would rather have 2 or 3 kids than 7 or 8. And when she gets to decide on it for herself, that’s what she does. When she doesn’t get to decide and it’s not really up to her, she winds up having a lot more babies. She’ll probably be more domestic, too- and of course there’s nothing wrong with choosing to be domestic as long as the choice is freely made, but problems arise when a situation’s restrictive or coercive and a woman’s options are strictly limited like that.

This, of course, is a sweeping generalization and if there’s any value to it, I don’t doubt for a second that its value lies in a very average population of people and it has far less value in assessing a relatively small and unique group. Like, for example, a few dozen CAF regulars. I’m pretty sure this would have barely anything to do with you.

If I may answer your question a bit more directly, though- What are they doing right that you’re not? I really don’t think it’s a matter of doing something right. I think Mormon women need to be treated better just because I’m generally opposed to poor treatment of women and favorable toward treating women right. Incidentally, I also think it’s quite likely that this poor treatment of women is one of the primary reasons why the average Mormon is so much more fertile than the average Catholic (or the average Mexican is more fertile than the average American or the average Muslim is more fertile than the average anybody from anywhere).

If you’re looking for ways to get the Catholic fertility rate up, there’s a lot of other ways of going at it. But the sharp disparity between Mormon babymaking and Catholic babymaking (imo) mostly has to do with Catholics treating women right while Mormons do a worse job of that. Even though the fallout (iyo) is ultimately not what you would really want to hope for.
 
Humane Vitae gives married couples the right to restrict the number of births depending on health and other severe circumstances. We don’t to bring children into the world to become orphans.
 
I think one thing that Catholics can learn is to stop being so squeamish about encouraging young people to marry, especially young men.
 
Im only a teenager, but wouldnt it be hugely expensive to raise a 12 kid family in the expectations of todays society? Everyone must have a tv, the latest iphone, the latest ipod, etc.
It would be expensive without the iPhones and iPods…food for 14 people, that alone would be a large chunk of cash.
 
Perhaps it is a cultural thing. LDS is still very much a “fringe” group in overall American culture. Mormons are used to being outsiders and their beliefs and behavior looked at askew.

Catholics, on the other hand, are often catholics as a cultural legacy of the old country they came from. An awful lot of catholics for the last 150 years have been DESPERATE to “fit in” and be accepted by American culture at large. For a long time, American culture rejected us in a similar way that it still rejects Mormons. But since the 1950’s, American culture at large has shifted to where catholics are considered “normal” Americans as long, and ONLY as long as they ACT like ‘normal’ Americans.

Frankly, a lot of catholics sold out, and I’m NOT just focusing on the family size issue here. We’ve sold out on consumerism, abortion, contraception, charitable giving, vocational outlook, euthanasia, even our liturgical and devotional traditions. The average catholic out there today can’t articulate what Transubstantiation is because they’ve absorbed the American cultural attitude that it’s irrelevant.

That’s my take, anyways. Mormons are happy to be Mormon and accept that it is in conflict with conventional American values. Catholics for the most part have failed to recognize that the catholic faith is in direct conflict with much of American culture today and as a result of that failure, have simply become Americans first instead of catholics first.
 
I’m a little baffled by a lot of the comments here.
I live in Southern California. My parrish is in Orange County and there are a LOT of families in my community that are between 10 - 12 children & counting. I talk to a lot of them because we are newly married with 3 childredn & 1 in heaven. They have no concerns of “cost” because, well, we firmly believe that God provides. Plain & simple. It’s got to be your particular area. But here where I’m at… A LOT OF US are very OPEN to life.
 
I’m a little baffled by a lot of the comments here.
I live in Southern California. My parrish is in Orange County and there are a LOT of families in my community that are between 10 - 12 children & counting.
Do these Orange County Catholics in Southern California with 10 to 12 children and counting happen to be Mexican or otherwise non-white Hispanic?

You know, on average. Give or take?
 
I have to say that I do think it has a lot to do with pressure put on the members of the Church by society.
Also, I’ve noticed that there isn’t nearly as big a push for Catholics to marry young and it seems that couples who marry later want less children (Just an observation, and I know it’s a sweeping generalization)
 
I think one thing that Catholics could recover is the idea that marriage is the natural vocation of man. Sometimes Catholics talk about marriage as if it was similar to becoming a priest or nun; ie that a person needs a specific calling (or vocation) from God to become a priest or nun.

In reality, a person doesn’t need a calling from God to pursue marriage any more than a person needs a specific calling from God to eat food.
 
And I emphasize yet again, it’s based on their doctrine of the “Plan of salvation” and how a body is an absolute necessity in that plan and that there are spirit children of “Heavenly Father” who are still awaiting physical bodies in the pre-exsistance.

To understand Mormonism and their culture you MUST understand their doctrines, and that in and of itself can be a challenge.

Large LDS families find their genesis in the doctrines surrounding the doctrine of the "Plan of Salvation’

“there are spirits still waiting for a chance to come to earth and get their earthy bodies”
 
And I emphasize yet again, it’s based on their doctrine of the “Plan of salvation” and how a body is an absolute necessity in that plan and that there are spirit children of “Heavenly Father” who are still awaiting physical bodies in the pre-exsistance.

To understand Mormonism and their culture you MUST understand their doctrines, and that in and of itself can be a challenge.

Large LDS families find their genesis in the doctrines surrounding the doctrine of the "Plan of Salvation’

“there are spirits still waiting for a chance to come to earth and get their earthy bodies”
Oh I agree that, doctrinally speaking, Mormons have a higher view of marriage and families than Catholics, so it’s impossible for Catholics to have the family values that Mormons do.

However, Catholics can still have better family values than the American culture as a whole.
 
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