Why do those who favor "gay marriage" limit the number to two? What about homosexual incest?

[ccmnxc]

Exactly. You say what you said, I say “pick and choose”. Correct, I am not catholic yet I do believe in freedom of faith and believe catholic faith is beautiful and the church is corrupt. I have a gay catholic fiance and I am seeking real answers. I am in no way here to dismiss or condemn the catholic faith.

I am confused by your first sentence. Are you saying agree to disagree as far as whether or not we can pick or choose?

 

[CopticChristian]

Exactly. You say what you said, I say “pick and choose”. Correct, I am not catholic yet I do believe in freedom of faith and believe catholic faith is beautiful and the church is corrupt. I have a gay catholic fiance and I am seeking real answers. I am in no way here to dismiss or condemn the catholic faith.

Jumpin Jack Flash,

It’s a gas…there is no such thing as a “gay Catholic”…although some may want to believe so and want others to accept so…

There are Catholics…

There are those that have same sex attraction that are Catholic

There are some that act on their same sex attraction and accept that they are gay…

however it is impossible to be Catholic and to accept to act on same sex attraction and adhere to being Catholic except to say that having been Catholic to act on same sex attraction…there is one that faultered however not to be named and identified by the action that is disordered…

Grant that you would not accept someone saying that they are

gay bashing Catholics
Adulterous Catholics
Murderous Catholics
Persistently Drugged Catholics

Paul said it best…

Jew and Gentile are under the power of sin…and by grace you have been saved through Faith a gift so that you may be a new creation…not as you once were…

 

[ccmnxc]

For clarification, if Christianity was about choosing what to follow, the religion would be as good as useless. There is no point to making a god in our own image if it means rejecting the real God by choosing what and what not to follow based upon what he said. There is dispute in doctrine, but we cannot dispute it just because we don’t like it or it doesn’t feel right. There needs to be a legitimate reason.

 

[JustJack]

I am confused by your first sentence. Are you saying agree to disagree as far as whether or not we can pick or choose?

oh, sorry What I mean is that we are getting in to semantics. You said what you said regarding choosing to follow catholic protocol. I say it’s “picking and choosing”. My wording often causes tension with my fiance and I though we are essentially saying the same thing. I apologize if it offends. it is not my intent.

 

[ccmnxc]

oh, sorry What I mean is that we are getting in to semantics. You said what you said regarding choosing to follow catholic protocol. I say it’s “picking and choosing”. My wording often causes tension with my fiance and I though we are essentially saying the same thing. I apologize if it offends. it is not my intent.

I’m not offended. Simply confused. I hope my previous explanation helped a little bit.

 

[JustJack]

For clarification, if Christianity was about choosing what to follow, the religion would be as good as useless. There is no point to making a god in our own image if it means rejecting the real God by choosing what and what not to follow based upon what he said. There is dispute in doctrine, but we cannot dispute it just because we don’t like it or it doesn’t feel right. There needs to be a legitimate reason.

1. Do you consider yourself christian?

if so:

1. Do you follow every aspect of christianity to the letter?

 

[Nimzovik]

You. Not “we”. Many modern catholics do not believe in these antiquated teachings. I ask that you do not speak on my behalf. Thank you!

Yes well… Many so called ‘Cafeteria Catholics’ call themselves Catholic and take it upon themselves to endeavor to legitimize "Homosexual Marriage’ when it is clearly stated by the …ahem… Catholic Faith that such ‘unions’ are anathema to the Faith.

Actually, I would assert that those that accept Homosexual marriage are indeed the ones with the ‘antiquated’ notion of marriage vis a vis homosexual marriage. Such practices were not uncommon prior to Christianity methinks. Yes?

So I ask. Are these “Many modern catholics…” of which you speak - truly Catholic? Are they Catholic when they in reality, scandalize the Faith?

Methinks not. Quite simple really…

(Psssssssssssssttttttttt… Truth is neither Modern or Antiquated. Truth is timeless. )

 

[JustJack]

Jumpin Jack Flash,

It’s a gas…there is no such thing as a “gay Catholic”…although some may want to believe so and want others to accept so…

There are Catholics…

There are those that have same sex attraction that are Catholic

There are some that act on their same sex attraction and accept that they are gay…

however it is impossible to be Catholic and to accept to act on same sex attraction and adhere to being Catholic except to say that having been Catholic to act on same sex attraction…there is one that faultered however not to be named and identified by the action that is disordered…

Grant that you would not accept someone saying that they are

gay bashing Catholics
Adulterous Catholics
Murderous Catholics
Persistently Drugged Catholics

Paul said it best…

Jew and Gentile are under the power of sin…and by grace you have been saved through Faith a gift so that you may be a new creation…not as you once were…

There ARE gay bashing catholics (the pope), adulterous, etc. So, to clarify what you are saying, catholics are not accepting of everyone. Is this correct?

 

[ccmnxc]

1. Do you consider yourself christian?

if so:

1. Do you follow every aspect of christianity to the letter?

1. Yes, specifically Catholic.
2. Depends on what you are asking. I do not reject any of the Catholic Church’s teachings as I believe they are the fullness of Truth. That doesn’t mean I don’t fall into sin and come up short. I can’t say I “choose” what to believe and what not to in relation to Church teaching. I just follow the Catholic Church. However, due to my fallen nature, even if I believe the Church to be the Truth, I sometimes choose sin. Do I know it is wrong? Yes. Do I sometimes do it anyways? Yes.

 

[JustJack]

Yes well… Many so called ‘Cafeteria Catholics’ call themselves Catholic and take it upon themselves to endeavor to legitimize "Homosexual Marriage’ when it is clearly stated by the …ahem… Catholic Faith that such ‘unions’ are anathema to the Faith.

Actually, I would assert that those that accept Homosexual marriage are indeed the ones with the ‘antiquated’ notion of marriage vis a vis homosxual marriage. Such practices were not uncommon prior to Christianity methinks.

So I ask. Are these “Many modern catholics…” of which you speak - truly Catholic? Are they Catholic when they in reality, scandalize the Faith?

Methinks not. Quite simple really…

catholic “faith” is whatever lies in ones heart. It is silly to state otherwise. The catholic CHURCH states otherwise.

 

[CopticChristian]

1. Do you consider yourself christian?

if so:

1. Do you follow every aspect of christianity to the letter?

Jack,

ma JustJack…the issue of Homosexuality is as the Catechism says…

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Now the Orthodox take a harsher view…

holy-trinity.org/morality/homosexuality.html

The Orthodox Church believes that homosexuality should be treated by society as an immoral and dangerous perversion and by religion as a sinful failure. In both cases, correction is called for. Homosexuals should be accorded the confidential medical and psychiatric facilities by which they can be helped to restore themselves to a self-respecting sexual identity that belongs to them by God’s ordinance.

In full confidentiality, the Orthodox Church cares and provides pastorally for homosexuals in the belief that no sinner who has failed himself and God should be allowed to deteriorate morally and spiritually.

Psychiatric restoration, without religious direction and reconciliation with God, is bound to prove short lived.

A healthy society and various religions do not recognize perversions. Rather, they work to restore the homosexual to the status of a self-esteemed individual and thus to a valued instrument of their own survival and wellbeing under God.

Homosexuality is not an issue that we pick and choose on…it is what it is…

 

[ccmnxc]

There ARE gay bashing catholics (the pope), adulterous, etc. So, to clarify what you are saying, catholics are not accepting of everyone. Is this correct?

Let’s define terms first. What do you mean by gay-bashing? Are you referring to be unjustly unkind and cruel to homosexuals, as that is objectively wrong. Or do you mean rejecting the homosexual lifestyle of sin and proclaiming that homosexual actions violate God’s laws. I don’t believe the Pope fits the former (If I’m wrong, could you please provide examples?). I do believe he definitely fits the latter.

 

[JustJack]

1. Yes, specifically Catholic.
2. Depends on what you are asking. I do not reject any of the Catholic Church’s teachings as I believe they are the fullness of Truth. That doesn’t mean I don’t fall into sin and come up short. I can’t say I “choose” what to believe and what not to in relation to Church teaching. I just follow the Catholic Church. However, due to my fallen nature, even if I believe the Church to be the Truth, I sometimes choose sin. Do I know it is wrong? Yes. Do I sometimes do it anyways? Yes.

If you still believe you will go to heaven, though you choose sin at times, so will a gay catholic. No difference. A sin is a sin.

 

[Nimzovik]

There ARE gay bashing catholics (the pope), adulterous, etc. So, to clarify what you are saying, catholics are not accepting of everyone. Is this correct?

Accepting? Please define. We love the sinner… but hate the *sin. *Be the sin Homosexual practice or hetereosexual adultery or murder or name of sin
here: ____________.

 

[ManicFaze]

Oh, and I can’t wait for those polygamous unions. I want to marry a herd of goats!

LOL,

I don’t see how states have a right to make homosexual marriage illegal, it’s based on religious moral principles that have no place in state law due to the separation of church and state.

Everyone has a right to be happily married as long it’s between 2 consenting adults no matter the sex who love one another. Heterosexuals have made a mockery out of marriage according to the word of Bible, so I don’t see why people want to get all worked up over this issue of “gay marriage”.

 

[CopticChristian]

There ARE gay bashing catholics (the pope), adulterous, etc. So, to clarify what you are saying, catholics are not accepting of everyone. Is this correct?

Just,

Catholics are Christians that follow Christ and

Believe
Live that belief
Strive to be Holy and reject sin
Pray and ask for help

We accept all sinners however believe that we should renounce our sins and not be identified by our sins…ie gay bashing Catholics would be asked to renounce their gay bashing…adulterers would be asked to renounce their adultery and “gay” to renounce the lifestyle…just renounce your sins…that is all…

 

[ccmnxc]

If you still believe you will go to heaven, though you choose sin at times, so will a gay catholic. No difference. A sin is a sin.

I must repent of my sin and seek the sacrament of Reconciliation for mortal ones (and even venial ones). If a homosexual Catholic who has done wrong recognizes they did wrong and repent for it (and other sins) they will also be allowed into Heaven. I am not forgiven without repenting and without asking for it and if a homosexual Catholic does wrong and refuses to repent for it, then there will be consequences.

 

[CopticChristian]

catholic “faith” is whatever lies in ones heart. It is silly to state otherwise. The catholic CHURCH states otherwise.

Jack,

Where did you get this “clap trap” notion of Catholic?

 

[Nimzovik]

catholic “faith” is whatever lies in ones heart. It is silly to state otherwise. The catholic CHURCH states otherwise.

Please clarify.

 

[JustJack]

Let’s define terms first. What do you mean by gay-bashing? Are you referring to be unjustly unkind and cruel to homosexuals, as that is objectively wrong. Or do you mean rejecting the homosexual lifestyle of sin and proclaiming that homosexual actions violate God’s laws. I don’t believe the Pope fits the former (If I’m wrong, could you please provide examples?). I do believe he definitely fits the latter.

In my opinion itis unkind and cruel to deny equality to a loving, long term relationship. We can take the pope out of it, he is just a mascot. I am sorry I brought him up. I don’t mean to offend.