Why do we pray to saints, when God said

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=droopy;6918178]Why do we pray to saints, when God said, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” If we pray to saints for help more often then God himself, wouldn’t that be treating them as a god? Why can’t i just pray to God and not the Saints. I mean, God does have more ‘power’ then them.
P.s This is my first time posting here, im sorry if this is in the wrong forums:shrug:
While your terminology is technically correct; theologically it is incomplete.

It is far more accurate to say that we “Pray THROUGH” Saints than “too” Saints, even though it too is correct.

One never prays to Saints in PLACE OF GOD; rather, Saints are “intercessors.” They take our prayers, add there own petitions to them and PERSONALLY hand them to God.

After all; Saints are literally in the presence of God. It is this direct access to God that makes this practice, while in no way absolutely necessary; nevertheless a GREAT practice. 👍
 
Hi. Im not Catholic, I am Baptist. We do not believe that saints have any kind of intercessory power. They are human and so they live and die just like us.I think the problem is the doctrine that the Catholic church teaches. When you pray, you should pray directly to God because he is the one who answers them. When we die, we go to heaven and we are in the presence of God until God decides to come back for the church. Saints included. Once they die, they do not have any kid of special priveleges, they too are sleeping in the presence of God. Jesus himself sits on the right hand of the father making intercessions for us. My big problem with sainthood is that a board of cardinals decides who becomes a saint. Just because a board of people decide someone should be a saint, how are we sure that God honors that in heaven. I mean, I could become a saint. Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the father but by me. Praying to saints or asking them to pray for you, is exactly that. It is putting them on a pedistal, when really they were just like me and you. When you pray, you should just pray to Jesus. I hoped that helped 🙂
 
Hi. Im not Catholic, I am Baptist. We do not believe that saints have any kind of intercessory power. They are human and so they live and die just like us.I think the problem is the doctrine that the Catholic church teaches. When you pray, you should pray directly to God because he is the one who answers them. When we die, we go to heaven and we are in the presence of God until God decides to come back for the church. Saints included. Once they die, they do not have any kid of special priveleges, they too are sleeping in the presence of God. Jesus himself sits on the right hand of the father making intercessions for us. My big problem with sainthood is that a board of cardinals decides who becomes a saint. Just because a board of people decide someone should be a saint, how are we sure that God honors that in heaven. I mean, I could become a saint. Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the father but by me. Praying to saints or asking them to pray for you, is exactly that. It is putting them on a pedistal, when really they were just like me and you. When you pray, you should just pray to Jesus. I hoped that helped 🙂
Several points here where you can learn about the ancient Catholic doctrine. I can understand your disagreement, coming from a bible-only perspective. I must ask: Do you believe in “soul sleep”, like Adventists do? Here’s the deal: Both Enoch and Elijah are clearly with God, and not sleeping in the dust of the earth, right? If they are in God’s presence, they can pray, right? In the Apocalypse, John wrote of the prayers of the Saints ascending to the Throne of God. Well, the communion of Saints was revealed to the early Church, not merely slapped together by it. It is not a “board” of anyone that decides if someone is a Saint. God alone does that and reveals it to the Church through miracles brought about by the Saint’s intercession. Thus, long before the Church recognizes that a particular soul is in heaven, those on earth must ask for that Saint’s intercessory prayer. Those prayers must then be answered via objective and verifiable miracles - usually of healing. Once this has all been investigated, analyzed - which takes years, decades, even centuries, the soul in heaven is officially recognized by the Church as a Saint. Remember, the gates of heaven were opened when Jesus ascended. They were not opened only for Him - He does not even need a gate! The gates are opened for you and I. We have almost 2,000 years of miracles brought about by Saints in Church history.
 
Repetitive prayers are actually suggested by Christ. Ever heard of His parable of the woman and the judge?
On that subject, Jesus teaches us to avoid “vain repetitions” - emphasis on vain. He also said, "Here is how you are to pray: “Our Father in heaven…” Over the course of three years, He taught us only one prayer. As well, in the garden at Gethsemane, Jesus repeated His same prayer to the Father at least three times. Do we suppose that God only heard the third prayer? Saint Paul teaches us to pray constantly, but Jesus taught us only one prayer. What to do? The parable of the unjust judge is perfect here.
 
Hi. Im not Catholic, I am Baptist. We do not believe that saints have any kind of intercessory power. They are human and so they live and die just like us.I think the problem is the doctrine that the Catholic church teaches. When you pray, you should pray directly to God because he is the one who answers them. When we die, we go to heaven and we are in the presence of God until God decides to come back for the church. Saints included. Once they die, they do not have any kid of special priveleges, they too are sleeping in the presence of God. Jesus himself sits on the right hand of the father making intercessions for us. My big problem with sainthood is that a board of cardinals decides who becomes a saint. Just because a board of people decide someone should be a saint, how are we sure that God honors that in heaven. I mean, I could become a saint. Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the father but by me. Praying to saints or asking them to pray for you, is exactly that. It is putting them on a pedistal, when really they were just like me and you. When you pray, you should just pray to Jesus. I hoped that helped 🙂
It is not the cardinals who decide who is or is not a saint. It is true that there is a canonization process that honors those whose life exemplifies the Christian life. They serve as examples. This in no way means that these are the only individuals who are saints. All Saints Day commemorates all those who have entered heaven, known and unknown.
I used to use the worldly example of the statue in town square that honors the contributions one individual has made to the town, state, or country. Does this mean that nobody else contributed? Of course not. Is the OT not full of stories of individuals who stood firm in their faith against all odds?
When my mother was asked why we had pictures of Saints in our home, her answer was a simple question. Do you have pictures of your family around your home? The Church is a family, with Mary as our mother. It is only natural to have pictures of family members.

When we, as a community gather for Mass, our prayers are joined to the Community of Saints. I once read a story of a Native American who came to know the Lord because of the doctrine regarding the Communion of Saints. The life of one individual affects the lives of those to come. A non-Catholic friend of mine described the saints in heaven as cheering us as we race toward the finish line.
 
Hi. Im not Catholic, I am Baptist. We do not believe that saints have any kind of intercessory power. They are human and so they live and die just like us.I think the problem is the doctrine that the Catholic church teaches. When you pray, you should pray directly to God because he is the one who answers them. When we die, we go to heaven and we are in the presence of God until God decides to come back for the church. Saints included. Once they die, they do not have any kid of special priveleges, they too are sleeping in the presence of God. Jesus himself sits on the right hand of the father making intercessions for us. My big problem with sainthood is that a board of cardinals decides who becomes a saint. Just because a board of people decide someone should be a saint, how are we sure that God honors that in heaven. I mean, I could become a saint. Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the father but by me. Praying to saints or asking them to pray for you, is exactly that. It is putting them on a pedistal, when really they were just like me and you. When you pray, you should just pray to Jesus. I hoped that helped 🙂
To answer your question allow me to tell of my belief in the Communin of Saints and why we pray to them. I often wondered why the story of the wedding at Cana was in the scriptures. Don’t get me wrong it’s a nice little story but I had to ask the question what does this seemingly small sidebar have to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ? Only John mentions it in his gospel and John is the one evangelist whose gospel is considered the most theological so the story must have a meaning but what was it? I couldn’t figure it out until one day I was reading the Old Testament and came across this in the book of 1 Kings 2:17-20

"17 And he said, “Pray ask King Solomon–he will not refuse you–to give me Ab’ishag the Shu’nammite as my wife.” 18 Bathshe’ba said, “Very well; I will speak for you to the king.” 19 So Bathshe’ba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adoni’jah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her; then he sat on his throne, and had a seat brought for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right. 20 Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother; for I will not refuse you.”

Bathsheeba was queen when Solomon was king of Israel and she sat on his right side. *[Recall the request that the mother of James and John made to Jesus that her sons sit on his right and left. Jesus responded that it was already determined who would sit on his right and left.] * But Bathshe’ba was not Solomon’s wife. She was his mother. The queen of the Davidic kingdom was the mother of the king [See also 1 Kings 15:13]. Solomon the king, says to his mother, the queen, “20…Make your request, my mother; for I will not refuse you.”

Now fast forward to the New Testament. Jesus is of the line of David. He is, therefore, a Davidic king. The kingdom is heaven. Mary is his mother. She is, therefore, in the Davidic line, queen of heaven. And Cana shows us that just as Solomon would not refuse his mother’s request neither would Jesus refuse his mother’s request despite the fact that, as Jesus states, His time had not yet come. That is why the wedding at Cana is in the gospel of John. It is theological So knowing this, we who are christians can approach the Queen of Heaven with our prayers knowing that she will present them to Jesus the King. But how about the other saints? Well, we who are in the Body of Christ are told to pray for one another [Jamess 5:16]. But aren’t the saints in heaven also in the Body of Christ? I don’t recall Paul placing any restrictions such as physical death on membership in the Body of Christ. Maybe you can point to a scripture passage that says this. But I doubt it because the bottom line is this: Prayer is a spiritual act and is therefore not affected by physical death. By limiting intercessary prayer to only sinners living on earth and excluding the prayers of the thoroughly righteous in heaven protestants impose limits on the effectiveness of their prayers. Scripture says the prayer of a righteous man availeth much and who is more righteous than the saints in heaven?

P.S. Cardinals do not determine who is a saint. As to can we be sure that a canonized saint is in heaven. The answer is yes. Jesus did grant power to His church to bind and loosen in heaven as well as on earth. The current canonization process brings that authority into play. Now you may not agree with that as I suspect you are a sola scripturist and deny church authority but the fact is that scripture claims Jesus established a church with authority. See Matthew 16:18-19
 
I have one more question. You see, i go to a catholic school in Canada. The religion classes are usually taught by Gym teachers looking to make an extra buck. They can’t really answer my questions. My questions might sound unintelligant but i would really like to know the answer. My question is: Why do we often pray using repetative prayers such as the Hail Mary? How will this benefit our relationship with God rather then a type of prayer of just ‘talking’ to him. For example: “Dear God, thank you for this great day! I encountered these problems, and i was hoping you could help me solve them. Amen.”
I think you should absolutely use spontaneous, extemporaneous prayer of this sort. I think it is a great way of developing your relationship with God. But memorized prayers are also helpful. At times of stress or fatigue, we might not be able to speak well from the heart. At such times, its good that we have other tools in the toolbox, so to speak.
 
I have one more question. You see, i go to a catholic school in Canada. The religion classes are usually taught by Gym teachers looking to make an extra buck. They can’t really answer my questions. My questions might sound unintelligant but i would really like to know the answer. My question is: Why do we often pray using repetative prayers such as the Hail Mary? How will this benefit our relationship with God rather then a type of prayer of just ‘talking’ to him. For example: “Dear God, thank you for this great day! I encountered these problems, and i was hoping you could help me solve them. Amen.”
Did you know that Jesus prayed using repetitive prayers? Do you know that every christian, whether they be Catholic, Orthodox or any one of the myriad protestant denomination prays using repetitive prayer? So why single out Catholics?
 
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