Creation is appropriated to the Father – meaning it is attributed to him in preference to, but not exclusion of, the other persons of the Holy Trinity. Similarly, redemption is appropriated to the Son and sanctification to the Holy Spirit. But since the Trinity is one, the actions of one person are the actions of all.Hello. I don’t know where to post this but since I encountered this title in a traditional prayer, The Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary, I decided to post it here. Isn’t this title heretical? I thought that the Father was the Creator but Mary bore the Son. So, she can’t possibly bear her creator, right?
Yes, that is exactly what she did.So, she can’t possibly bear her creator, right?
Mary is the Mother of God-Incarnate, she was NOT and is NOT the Mother of Who is referred to as the Second Person of the Trinity BEFORE He was Incarnated.Hello. I don’t know where to post this but since I encountered this title in a traditional prayer, The Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary, I decided to post it here. Isn’t this title heretical? I thought that the Father was the Creator but Mary bore the Son. So, she can’t possibly bear her creator, right?
Perhaps confusing, but not theologically inaccurate. Mary bore a person Who is the Son of God from all eternity. As noted above, mothers bear persons, not natures.Nevertheless, since the Second Person of the Trinity pre-existed Mary from all eternity, I find the concept of “Mother of Our Creator” ontologically confusing. Creation took place before Mary existed, and she is not the “mother of the Trinity.” As I understand it, Jesus’ humanity did not itself exist from all eternity, and the Motherhood of that humanity is distinct from the original creative act.
Jesus’s humanity started when Mary said YES.Nevertheless, since the Second Person of the Trinity pre-existed Mary from all eternity, I find the concept of “Mother of Our Creator” ontologically confusing. Creation took place before Mary existed, and she is not the “mother of the Trinity.” As I understand it, Jesus’ humanity did not itself exist from all eternity, and the Motherhood of that humanity is distinct from the original creative act.
Jesus became the Son of God and the Son of Man when Mary said YES, before that Jesus was/is/always will be the Second Person of the Trinity.Perhaps confusing, but not theologically inaccurate. Mary bore a person Who is the Son of God from all eternity. As noted above, mothers bear persons, not natures.
Mothers bear persons that come into being at their conception and Jesus came into being as His conception.Perhaps confusing, but not theologically inaccurate. Mary bore a person Who is the Son of God from all eternity. As noted above, mothers bear persons, not natures.
No. That’s not what we say in the creed.Mothers bear persons that come into being at their conception and Jesus came into being as His conception.
The Second Person of the Trinity always was/is/will be, Jesus, as I have already said, became the Son of God and the Son of Man when Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.”.
This is not right. The Son is coeternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The Word took on a human nature at the Annunciation, but that does not affect that fact that Mary bore the Person of the Eternal Word who was her Creator.Mothers bear persons that come into being at their conception and Jesus came into being as His conception.
The Second Person of the Trinity always was/is/will be, Jesus, as I have already said, became the Son of God and the Son of Man when Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.”.
drforjc is correct. The Second Person of the Holy Trinity has always been the Son, from all Eternity. He assumed a human nature at the Incarnation, He did not become the Son. I recommend looking at the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus (431) which dogmatically defined Mary as the Mother of God (not just the human nature of Jesus). The inner relationship of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) was not changed by the incarnation.This is not right. The Son is coeternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The Word took on a human nature at the Annunciation, but that does not affect that fact that Mary bore the Person of the Eternal Word who was her Creator.
Do you think the prayer would have received an imprimatur if it was heretical?
This is worded poorly. As it stands it is highly unorthodox. God became incarnate when Mary said yes, but “God-Incarnate” did not come “into being” as if a new person was created.Jesus became the Son of God and the Son of Man when Mary said YES, before that Jesus was/is/always will be the Second Person of the Trinity.
God-Incarnate came into being when Mary said YES, before that He Who became known as Jesus was God, not God-Incarnate.
Our Blessed mother, whom we call Theotokos is the mother of the entire Christ who can not be divided.But she isn’t the mother of the Son’s humanity, she is the mother of the Son. Mothers beget persons, not natures.