Why Do Women Even Want To Be Priests?

[BlueShadow123]

It was a genuine compliment. Sorry if you perceived it other than that. I thought you were being nice, for real. I guess I misread something. I apologize.

Oh, i thought it was sarcasm that you were giving me. Sorry. I took it as a diss then got upset because I didn’t understand what was wrong with it.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Oh, i thought it was sarcasm that you were giving me. Sorry. I took it as a diss then got upset because I didn’t understand what was wrong with it.

Sorry if I came across that way. But I thought your comments were very positive and similar to what mine would be not only today but when I was not Catholic. The best Christians I personally know are not Catholic. It’s not even my own family, but rather my wife’s. Slowly I’m trying to gain faith in Catholics because many have given me enough reasons not to trust them since we crossed the Tiber. But the reason we crossed the Tiber had nothing to do with those wolves in sheep’s clothing. Christianity in general has historical had many hiding everywhere.

 

[BlueShadow123]

Sorry if I came across that way. But I thought your comments were very positive and similar to what mine would be not only today but when I was not Catholic. The best Christians I personally know are not Catholic. It’s not even my own family, but rather my wife’s. Slowly I’m trying to gain faith in Catholics because many have given me enough reasons not to trust them since we crossed the Tiber. But the reason we crossed the Tiber had nothing to do with those wolves in sheep’s clothing. Christianity in general has historical had many hiding everywhere.

There are snakes in every religion. These days its hard to know who to trust.

Some christians are good, some are bad. Some doctors are good, some are bad. Some business men are good, some are bad.

There will always be snakes in the system.

 

[vsedriver]

Say I were a man and were a priest. If I was able to live in the church, I probably would. And if I didn’t need the money (if the church provided me with my needs to live there) then I would only take a small part of the portion for maybe health care and the rest I would donate to charity.

Priests do not live in the Church building proper. They will have either an attached residence or a separate house. The house used by the priest is most often owned by the diocese or the parish. It would be foolish for a priest to buy a house since they don’t spend their entire lives in one parish but are moved around.

As a priest ages he can be granted longer and longer service times. In our parish the last priest became very ill. He is semi retired and chose to stay in our town. He has a small assisted living apartment and occasionally fills in for our regular priest. Our priest manages two parishes that are only a couple of miles apart. But he chooses to live in our rectory.

As someone said before diocesan priests do not take a vow of poverty. Many inherit money from family. Many have family that gives financial gifts. The Church provides health care and retirement for priests. Many parishes provide cars. Many priests do give money back to the parish. Much of this is done quietly and humbly and few know about it.

Many priests belong to religious orders that do take a vow of poverty. In monastaries, one monk is ordained but has no other status than his fellow monks.

So not all priests are the same, not all priest’s vocational calls are the same.

 

[vsedriver]

jmcrae;7308846:

In the absence of scriptural evidence, we have no idea what Jesus “authorized” them to do.

Had Jesus said (and repeated) something memorable about followers and authority and gender, I imagine that later writers would have noted it. Paul’s remarks sure are famous!

Once again you put all your proofs on scripture. But scripture is not the only source of what Jesus taught. In fact there is a passage in one of the Gospels where it says that Jesus did many things not recorded.

The actions of the Apostles are an outward sign of what Jesus wished for his Church. Who they chose as replacements, who they ‘laid hands on’, show who they knew to be acceptable. They were surrounded by holy women, including the Mother of God.

When Jesus took the bread and wine at the last supper and passed it around, he never said you couldn’t use pizza and beer. He never said you can only use wine and bread. Yet that is what the Church teaches. A valid Eucharistic sacrifice needs wine, unleavened bread and a male priest.

 

[vsedriver]

So?

Huh? I don’t see how either of these remarks is germane.

Men have the equivalent office/role to nuns in the brotherhoods of monks. Women have no equivalent to the priest’s position. Or Bishop. Or Cardinal. Or Pope.

where in the scripture does it say that ministerial roles must be co-ed?

 

[larkin31]

where in the scripture does it say that ministerial roles must be co-ed?

It doesn’t. No one ever claims that it “must be” co-ed. And the RCC is entirely free to set its own rules, as does every religious sect. I have only been discussing the justifications for the exclusion of women.

 

[larkin31]

The actions of the Apostles are an outward sign of what Jesus wished for his Church. Who they chose as replacements, who they ‘laid hands on’, show who they knew to be acceptable. They were surrounded by holy women, including the Mother of God.

When Jesus took the bread and wine at the last supper and passed it around, he never said you couldn’t use pizza and beer. He never said you can only use wine and bread. Yet that is what the Church teaches. A valid Eucharistic sacrifice needs wine, unleavened bread and a male priest.

Yes, “yet that is what the Church teaches.” Indeed.

 

[PRmerger]

No its because they know where the priest lives. Like I said, many of them have even pointed out the house to me when we were passing. I mean why wouldn’t the church know where the priest lives? Of course they know! If they didn’t they would say they didn’t know. Its that simple.

LOL! They know where the priest lives?? :doh2: Yes, I’m certain they do.

The question, however, is: how do they know that the priest owns the house and not the diocese or his order? :coffeeread:

 

[PRmerger]

Our pastor is a religious and lives in a house a ways down from the parish. I believe the diocese owns the house, but it could easily be rented.

Exactly.* Not* owned by the priest

Not that it’s impossible for a priest, (that is, a diocesan priest) to own his home, esp. if he was in the secular world a while before becoming ordained (and ontologically changed eternally) and owned his home prior.

 

[BlueShadow123]

LOL! They know where the priest lives?? :doh2: Yes, I’m certain they do.

The question, however, is: how do they know that the priest owns the house and not the diocese or his order? :coffeeread:

Because the priest lives near the church. Usually when somebody is in a parish, they want to know about their priest.

this conversation has gone on too long. Either you believe me or you dont. I do not care. The priests that I know do not live in the church, and that is their choice. It is pointless to continue this conversation. It does not matter where they live. That is their choice, not yours or mine. I couldn’t care less anyways. So, moving on…

 

[PRmerger]

Because the priest lives near the church. Usually when somebody is in a parish, they want to know about their priest.

Ah. So this has been, as I’ve thought all along, an assumption on your part.

You do not know* at all* whether priests own the house they’re living in.

To which the trenchant point is: the priests living in a house does not indicate whatsoever that the priesthood is just a job.

 

[BlueShadow123]

Ah. So this has been, as I’ve thought all along, an assumption on your part.

You do not know* at all* whether priests own the house they’re living in.

To which the trenchant point is: the priests living in a house does not indicate whatsoever that the priesthood is just a job.

Its not an assumption, the people of the church do know where he lives. The priests apparently like to share their lives. Many of the people who work for the church know. Its just an in passing type of thing. The priests makes comments, also too, I did ask about the priest myself. I do like to know about who will be preaching to me.

And now you’re brining up old posts about when I had called it a job, I had already told you that was the wrong word to use.

I do not care if you don’t believe me. Please stop responding, obviously this conversation is going in circles and getting no where. Think what you want, that is your right. At least I know what I’m talking about. But thank you for your time!

 

[larkin31]

Its not an assumption, the people of the church do know where he lives. The priests apparently like to share their lives. Many of the people who work for the church know. Its just an in passing type of thing. The priests makes comments, also too, I did ask about the priest myself. I do like to know about who will be preaching to me.

And now you’re brining up old posts about when I had called it a job, I had already told you that was the wrong word to use.

I do not care if you don’t believe me. Please stop responding, obviously this conversation is going in circles and getting no where. Think what you want, that is your right. At least I know what I’m talking about. But thank you for your time!

I’ve found it’s best to ignore PR.

 

[PRmerger]

Its not an assumption, the people of the church do know where he lives.

Huh? When did this discourse morph into people knowing where the priest lives?

We were talking about how you knew “many priests” owned their own home.

I was skeptical.

And the discourse soon proved that my skepticism was well placed.

I can smell Ignorance of Catholicism a mile away, even on the Internet.

The priests apparently like to share their lives.

LOL. Again, skeptical that priests like to share, “My name is on the mortgage, not the diocese of _____”

I do like to know about who will be preaching to me.

That’s quite an impertinent question to ask the priest who’s going to be preaching to you whether he owns his own home!

And now you’re brining up old posts about when I had called it a job, I had already told you that was the wrong word to use.

My bad. You did state that.

But you never did answer what better word you ought to have used.

I do not care if you don’t believe me. Please stop responding, obviously this conversation is going in circles and getting no where.:

Again, this post may not be directed at you personally, but at the many lurkers who may come away from this thread thinking something WRONG about the Catholic faith.

Despite what was stated by Blueshadow, [SIGN1]Most priests do not own their own homes.[/SIGN1] That is not the norm.

 

[BlueShadow123]

Huh? When did this discourse morph into people knowing where the priest lives?

We were talking about how you knew “many priests” owned their own home.

I was skeptical.

And the discourse soon proved that my skepticism was well placed.

I can smell Ignorance of Catholicism a mile away, even on the Internet.

LOL. Again, skeptical that priests like to share, “My name is on the mortgage, not the diocese of _____”

That’s quite an impertinent question to ask the priest who’s going to be preaching to you whether he owns his own home!

My bad. You did state that.

But you never did answer what better word you ought to have used.

Again, this post may not be directed at you personally, but at the many lurkers who may come away from this thread thinking something WRONG about the Catholic faith.

Despite what was stated by Blueshadow, [SIGN1]Most priests do not own their own homes.[/SIGN1] That is not the norm.

Some priests (not all) do own their own houses and there is nothing wrong with it. The fact that some live in houses has nothing to do with knowing about catholicism. Quit judging. Actually, look at my signature. I knew it would be good advice for somebody. Maybe you are that person. Now drop this please. This has gone on far enough. Lets get back to the topic.

 

[PRmerger]

Some priests (not all) do own their own houses and there is nothing wrong with it.

Well, that’s a little different. But you did say this below (my bold)

Actually thats not necessarily true.** I know of many **priests who live in houses that are near the church, some not even owned by the church.

And you still haven’t explained how you know whose name is on the mortgage.

The fact that some live in houses has nothing to do with knowing about catholicism.

But the fact that you’re proclaiming that you know of “many priests” who own their own home is WRONG and is unsubstantiated, and is, frankly, a weird assumption on your part.

I want it stated for those who might think, 'Huh, I never knew that many priests get paid enough to own their own home" THIS IS NOT the NORM.

 

[BlueShadow123]

Well, that’s a little different. But you did say this below (my bold)

And you still haven’t explained how you know whose name is on the mortgage.

But the fact that you’re proclaiming that you know of “many priests” who own their own home is WRONG and is unsubstantiated, and is, frankly, a weird assumption on your part.

I want it stated for those who might think, 'Huh, I never knew that many priests get paid enough to own their own home" THIS IS NOT the NORM.

It might not be the norm, but it certainly does happen.

Now drop this please. Ive asked you that numerous times. Its time to move on.

 

[PRmerger]

It might not be the norm, but it certainly does happen.

I don’t doubt that.

This, of course, is different from your original statement about knowing “many priests” who own their own homes.

I was skeptical when you made that statement. And I am skeptical now. Although it seems that your current position is more of a nebulous “there may be **some **priests who might do this” rather than “I know of many priests who own their own homes.”

Now drop this please. Ive asked you that numerous times. Its time to move on.

2 comments:
-lurkers. This is for them.
-and clearly I’m having way too much fun to drop this.

 

[BlueShadow123]

I don’t doubt that.

This, of course, is different from your original statement about knowing “many priests” who own their own homes.

I was skeptical when you made that statement. And I am skeptical now. Although it seems that your current position is more of a nebulous “there may be **some **priests who might do this” rather than “I know of many priests who own their own homes.”

2 comments:
-lurkers. This is for them.
-and clearly I’m having way too much fun to drop this.

Then I guess thats what the ignore button is for. good bye!