Why Do Women Even Want To Be Priests?

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Correct, the physical parts aren’t problem. Maleness, or lack thereof, is.

Clearly indicating that you haven’t understood what has been provided as an explanation.

See above. (hint: maleness)
I understand that “maleness” is the reason why women can’t be priests. It seems to me the the argument boils down to: “Women can’t be priests because they are not men.” But you gotta admit, this explanation is lacking.

Why maleness? What function in the role of priesthood requires maleness? Why is maleness a requirement for that function?

I still believe that the child-bearing analogy is a poor one. It doesn’t show that there is an “essential” difference between men and women, since the difference it highlights is biological. Also, you can very easily explain to a man why he can’t bear children and you can point to tangible reasons for it. Why is “femaleness” a requirement for child-bearing? Because females have the right parts to do it.
Tantum ergo:
But the church has NO authority to ordain women. Why? Because God did not give it that authority.
This explanation at least makes sense. The church would not want to go against God. The question becomes, then, how do we know that God gave the authority to only ordain men and not women. This comes from interpretation and, of course, interpretations vary. For this reason we have women who think its ok for them to become priests.
 
I’m quite certain that we don’t all know why women can’t be priests.

What are you referring to?

The bible talks about how no women should ever preach to a crowd of men, or how she must learn in quietness and how the men has authority over her. Its all over the bible. That does not mean women do not have power in anything, because they do, but the bible also talks about how men ‘seem’ to have authority over her. And if that isn’t true then there is no reason a woman cannot become a priest. But she can’t because its not in a womans ‘nature’ or so people seem to claim. And history can show us that its true.

Again, what are you referring to? Are you saying you don’t also see women triumph all the time? What do you mean by ‘triumph’?

Most of the worlds greatest inventions were made by man. Most of the worlds biggest wars were won and made by man. Men are physically stronger, and all trough history men have seen to triumph women. I’m not saying women have done nothing, but through history I think its a bit obvious of guys strengths over women.

Certainly it’s a good idea not to blame Jesus for anything

Well, it was a sarcastic comment… but it does have truth over it. take a look at my first comment. You really think back in the day a woman had a better chance of trying to tell everybody shes god over a man? or trying to get people to obey her rules over a man saying that?

What grounds do you have for making this claim?
Are you kidding me? Take a look at history. I shouldn’t have to explain this to you.
 
Are you kidding me? Take a look at history. I shouldn’t have to explain this to you.
Yes, we men have definitely arranged things to our benefit.

Yet Western women are still relatively lucky.
There are all too many countries outside the West where women are seen as barely human. Saudi Arabia being the most prominent example.
 
Yes, we men have definitely arranged things to our benefit.

Yet Western women are still relatively lucky.
There are all too many countries outside the West where women are seen as barely human. Saudi Arabia being the most prominent example.
Being the fact that I am a girl, I am happy I was born here in America to a nice family. I would be scared to death to live in those 3rd world countries. They do horrible things to women. Some too graphic to list. 😦

And I’m not a feminist, I just think that there are some things that I believe men have advantage over women. Not that it really matters. It doesn’t really affect me.
 
Being the fact that I am a girl, I am happy I was born here in America to a nice family. I would be scared to death to live in those 3rd world countries. They do horrible things to women. Some too graphic to list. 😦

And I’m not a feminist, I just think that there are some things that I believe men have advantage over women. Not that it really matters. It doesn’t really affect me.
It does matter even if it doesn’t effect you directly.

All human activities involve real human beings.
 
It does matter even if it doesn’t effect you directly.

All human activities involve real human beings.
Of course it matters. I just made a point that its not affecting me.

If it didnt matter you thin i would have been posting in this thread?

I already said I think women should be able to be priests. They may be wonderful at it and we would never know.

I mean geez, they are already allowing gay priests, why the heck wont they allow a female?
Who cares whats between her legs. I think there are women who could make wonderful priests.
 
Of course it matters. I just made a point that its not affecting me.

If it didnt matter you thin i would have been posting in this thread?

I already said I think women should be able to be priests. They may be wonderful at it and we would never know.

I mean geez, they are already allowing gay priests, why the heck wont they allow a female?
Who cares whats between her legs. I think there are women who could make wonderful priests.
Personal opinion is not superior to Church teaching. And Church teaching is clear. Christ chose only men. Jesus, as God, appeared as a male. He prayed to the Father.

I see most of the disagreement comes from those who are not so much interested in the truth as conforming to “the times.” This will not change since the Church was founded by Jesus Christ, not men.

Peace,
Ed
 
Personal opinion is not superior to Church teaching. And Church teaching is clear. Christ chose only men. Jesus, as God, appeared as a male. He prayed to the Father.

I see most of the disagreement comes from those who are not so much interested in the truth as conforming to “the times.” This will not change since the Church was founded by Jesus Christ, not men.

Peace,
Ed
I know that.
I never said my thought on this is going to change the church, because it obviously wont.
Never even considered that, actually.

And incase you didn’t read my posts, i basically pointed out that it will never change.
 
I missed the discussion and didn’t read the posts…but I think I know why.

First, let me say that I like being a woman and the whole idea is silly. We are made with beauty and dignity. It is sadly misguided for a woman to want to be anything other than who she was made to be. In other words, why reject your unique beauty and try to unsucessfully become someone else? We are a sadly misguided culture.

I think it all starts with the idea of self worth. Our culture values materialistic things. It says that we are not born with dignity, but earn it. It says that women are valuable because of what they achieve outside of the family.

Women see sucess differently than men. We intuitively gage it by relationship. We want to be loved. In order to achieve dignity and feel worthy of love (in the eyes of our culture), we try to live up to that expectation.

Women in the 70s bought the lie but never had to live with the consequences. They stupidly passed it on to their daughters. Women of the eighties and 90s were mostly neutral on it but outwardly professed the femminist line in order to gain acceptance from the culture. Very few of this era were brave enough to reject it and risk scorn. It didn’t help that the men of this era bought it too and wanted someone that they could be proud of…all the more motive for women not to reject it. Today, the lie is getting old. Women at my college don’t feel too intimidated to question the femminist dogma. Everyone laughs at professors who feel the need to apologise for “offending” women in some way.

Those who bought the lie in their hearts, one that was handed them at an early age, slowly chose to become millitant about it rather than question it. It’s a twisted way of trying to gain love and acceptance. If the lie is never questioned, they become militant about wanting others to agree to it because they want to achieve what our culture says we should and what men do in order to feel loveable. I know it sounds simple, but if one is caught up in this, then telling them that they are not “good” enough to be a priest is like telling them they are not good enough in general.

Its one of those lies that is so outrageous that people actually believe it.

Tell your daughters that their dignity and loveability has nothing to do with becoming sucessful. We are all different parts of one body, all complimentary, all needing one another. Tell your boys too because it starts as women trying to live up to expectations.
 
I missed the discussion and didn’t read the posts…but I think I know why.

First, let me say that I like being a woman and the whole idea is silly. We are made with beauty and dignity. It is sadly misguided for a woman to want to be anything other than who she was made to be. In other words, why reject your unique beauty and try to unsucessfully become someone else? We are a sadly misguided culture.

I think it all starts with the idea of self worth. Our culture values materialistic things. It says that we are not born with dignity, but earn it. It says that women are valuable because of what they achieve outside of the family.

Women see sucess differently than men. We intuitively gage it by relationship. We want to be loved. In order to achieve dignity and feel worthy of love (in the eyes of our culture), we try to live up to that expectation.

Women in the 70s bought the lie but never had to live with the consequences. They stupidly passed it on to their daughters. Women of the eighties and 90s were mostly neutral on it but outwardly professed the femminist line in order to gain acceptance from the culture. Very few of this era were brave enough to reject it and risk scorn. It didn’t help that the men of this era bought it too and wanted someone that they could be proud of…all the more motive for women not to reject it. Today, the lie is getting old. Women at my college don’t feel too intimidated to question the femminist dogma. Everyone laughs at professors who feel the need to apologise for “offending” women in some way.

Those who bought the lie in their hearts, one that was handed them at an early age, slowly chose to become millitant about it rather than question it. It’s a twisted way of trying to gain love and acceptance. If the lie is never questioned, they become militant about wanting others to agree to it because they want to achieve what our culture says we should and what men do in order to feel loveable. I know it sounds simple, but if one is caught up in this, then telling them that they are not “good” enough to be a priest is like telling them they are not good enough in general.

Its one of those lies that is so outrageous that people actually believe it.

Tell your daughters that their dignity and loveability has nothing to do with becoming sucessful. We are all different parts of one body, all complimentary, all needing one another. Tell your boys too because it starts as women trying to live up to expectations.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Before the start of so-called Women’s Liberation in the 1970s, I was taught to respect women and be polite toward them. Any type of sexual/physical exploitation was forbidden. This allowed me to view a young lady as a complete person.

Peace,
Ed
 
Why do non-Catholics care about whether or not women can be Catholic priests?
:confused:
 
Why do non-Catholics care about whether or not women can be Catholic priests?
:confused:
They care because secular humanists want to split the Church. They delight in calling it old and “behind the times.” They want power over the Church, to change it and mold to become what they want it to be.

They resent the influence the Church, founded by Christ, has over the people.

Peace,
Ed
 
They care because secular humanists want to split the Church. They delight in calling it old and “behind the times.” They want power over the Church, to change it and mold to become what they want it to be.

They resent the influence the Church, founded by Christ, has over the people.

Peace,
Ed
I didnt see anybod in this thread that wasn’t catholic except angryatheist (username title speaks for its-self)
 
Why do Protestants care whether Catholicism ordaining women? Well, why do some Catholics also share that concern? The same reason we are concerned about the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia. The same reason we support women priests among Mormons. The same reason we favor women clergy among Southern Baptists and other fundamentalist Protestants. And we could go on.
 
I didn’t see anybody in this thread that wasn’t catholic except angryatheist (username title speaks for its-self)
…and you BlueShadow123…you don’t identify yourself as Catholic…but both you and AngryAtheist seem to have a lot to say about a religion that doesn’t affect you…
:confused:

Why would a non-catholic care if the church allows women priests, rings bells 2 or 3 times, genuflects or bows, eats meat on Fridays or not???
It makes as much sense as me telling a Wiccan which tree to hug or worship( if they even do that).
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Why do Protestants care whether Catholicism ordaining women? Well, why do some Catholics also share that concern? The same reason we are concerned about the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia. The same reason we support women priests among Mormons. The same reason we favor women clergy among Southern Baptists and other fundamentalist Protestants. And we could go on.
We’re not talking about physical or mental abuse here. Catholic women can leave the church with no repercussions and join a denomination that allows women priests. Why can’t others just be happy with the denomination that they have chosen (or lack of one) and leave the Catholic Church alone?

( Saudi Arabia is an entirely different story)
 
Good point. However, many Catholics and other ecumenical-minded Christians tend to see our religion as one faith, despite its tragic divisions, and are interested in trends, changes, and traditions within all of its branches, and especially Catholicism, which is the largest. I Cor. 12.
The ordination of women is an important barrier to the spirit of unity which we pray will grow stronger among all those who seek to be devoted followers of Christ. If Catholicism does not ordain women as priests, it would be encouraging if it at least recognized the validity of the ordination of other Christian denominations (men and women, both) and not state, as Benedict XVI has done, that Protestant clergy do not have the authority to offer valid communion and that they do not have actual churches but only 'ecclesial entities'. It also would help if women were accepted as Deacons within Catholicism, and an argument could be made that women performed Deacon-like responsibilities in the early church. See, for example, Phoebe. Romans 16:1 RSV.
 
Good point. However, many Catholics and other ecumenical-minded Christians tend to see our religion as one faith, despite its tragic divisions, and are interested in trends, changes, and traditions within all of its branches, and especially Catholicism, which is the largest. I Cor. 12.
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 The ordination of women is an important barrier to the spirit of unity which we pray will grow stronger among all those who seek to be devoted followers of Christ. If Catholicism does not ordain women as priests, it would be encouraging if it at least recognized the validity of the ordination of other Christian denominations (men and women, both) and not state, as Benedict XVI has done, that Protestant clergy do not have the authority to offer valid communion and that they do not have actual churches but only 'ecclesial entities'. It also would help if women were accepted as Deacons within Catholicism, and an argument could be made that women performed Deacon-like responsibilities in the early church. See, for example, Phoebe. Romans 16:1 RSV.
All you’re offering here is the “we want power” argument of the radical feminists with a touch of: “Hey. Everybody else is doing it, so why not.” Pope Benedict is giving authentic Church teaching, which is why we have Anglicans and even Evangelicals coming over to the Church. People recognize the God-given truth when they see it.

God bless,
Ed
 
. People recognize the God-given truth when they see it.

God bless,
Ed

People recognize God-given truth when they see it:confused:

Do you have ANY idea how many different (and competing) religions there are Ed?

Each with competing versions of absolute truth, each utterly convinced that theirs is the only way. Each with followers who think that the accuracy of their truth is obvious.

There are hundreds of different Christian denominations alone.
 
. People recognize the God-given truth when they see it.

God bless,
Ed
People recognize God-given truth when they see it:confused:

Do you have ANY idea how many different (and competing) religions there are Ed?

Each with competing versions of absolute truth, each utterly convinced that theirs is the only way. Each with followers who think that the accuracy of their truth is obvious.

There are hundreds of different Christian denominations alone.

Uh - so what? These Protestant denominations want a variation on a theme. That is why some Protestants, Anglicans, Evangelicals and others are coming over to the Catholic Church, which is the one, holy, Catholic (Universal) and apostalic Church.

I went over a two volume set that contained all the religions out there - what’s your point?

Yes, there are other religions out there but the truth will stand even if thousands more appear. You can say Why? But that is the way it’s always been. In the Bible, we’re told of this god or that goddess but the truth is finally revealed. You are not being forced to accept any of it.

Peace,
Ed
 
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