Why Do Women Even Want To Be Priests?

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Charlemagne_II said:
larkin

*Ok. We both agree that women and men primarily seek to minister because it is a calling, and that to ascribe ulterior negative motivations to women is likely spurred only by prejudice. *

Both can seek to minister because it is a calling, but there are different ways to minister. The woman is not denied the right to minister, but only denied the same kind of ministry that men are called to. Marriage itself is a ministry; the husband ministers to the wife, and the wife ministers to the husband. But they do not minister in the same way. When the female assumes the dominant ministry in this relationship, she is out of her depth, and she seeks to displace the man’s ministry with her own, which is psychologically different from the man’s because her psyche is different from his.

The man who submits to the woman’s dominance is always considered to be weak and effeminate. That is not a prejudice; that is a fact of life. There is hardly anything so comical as a man under a woman’s thumb. It has been the subject of many a theatrical farce down through history.

A nation under a woman’s thumb can also produce a mighty entertaining farce … as we have been entertained by Nancy Pelosi for the past several years.

I’m afraid Nancy Pelosi as pope, however, I would not find amusing. And I can hardly imagine a woman wanting to be pope other than the type of feminist woman grasping for power that Nancy Pelosi epitomizes.

Larkin, you are not a Catholic, so you can’t begin to see this logic. If you ask the more conservative Anglicans in England and the U.S., they will be glad to explain why Anglicanism world wide is imploding.

But Saint Paul said it best, and he is certainly the authority on this: 1 Corinthians 14:34

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”

How do you suppose they can keep silent if they are preaching from the pulpit or from Peter’s throne?
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I think you post goes well with evolution if you think on it though too.
If evolution is true, it would make sense of the positions people have.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
I have considered them, and I don’t consider the ‘Truth’ of the doctrines very believable.

I came to this board to debate with Catholics and question them about Catholicism. If the Catholics who manage the board didn’t want that then they shouldn’t have let non-Catholics join.
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So what if you’ve considered them? Obviously you don’t understand them and my point stands: you’re not here to genuinely ask any questions about the truth of Catholicism, you think you already know all about it and are here just to encourage people to leave the Church. And I don’t think the Catholics who manage the board allow non-Catholics to join for the purpose of providing a forum for your kind of closed-minded anti-Catholic proselytizing. (Please refer to forum rules, Conduct rule #7.) Debate is fine, but you’re not even debating the issue; you’re just insisting that you think women who think women have a right to the priesthood just as much as men should leave the Church, without addressing the obvious reasons why they shouldn’t do this. You even seem to be pretending there are no such reasons, at least none worth seriously considering. That’s not a respectful or intelligent position to take.

Again here’s what you said:
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
And I have NEVER advocated women becoming Catholic priests in this thread.

I have said repeatedly that I think they would be better off leaving and joining a more welcoming faith.

And what I said:
Or to put it more frankly: You aren’t interested in understanding the Catholic faith or considering the possible truth of its doctrines, you are just here to attack it and to encourage people to leave the Church?
 
PRmerger said:
LOL! That’s like going to a Cruciverbalist forum and saying, “I don’t like to waste my time talking to people about crossword puzzles.” 😃

Yes, priests get paid. Again, impoverished understanding of the nature of the priesthood.

People get wet when they are baptized. Doesn’t mean that’s the only thing that happens. 🤷
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Of course its not! And that is what I was trying to say but you just kept assuming I knew nothing about it. I said that a job was the wrong word to use anyways.
 
larkin31 said:
I can’t quote your inner quotes that you put within mine.
  1. I acknowledge that the RCC uses more than just scripture to make their decisions. I am simply declaring that that is a “choice” that a council of men make.
  2. All religious councils claim that God guides their decision-making. But it is still decisionmaking.
  3. Ok. We both agree that women and men primarily seek to minister because it is a calling, and that to ascribe ulterior negative motivations to women is likely spurred only by prejudice.
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on #1 that is a command that Jesus gave them. He gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter. It’s not just a council of men.

#2 it’s one thing to ‘claim’ that God guides decision making, it’s another to have scriptural authority backing up apostolic decision making.

#3 yes, we agree, I do believe that both men and women are called to serve. I do believe that how you serve is up to the Church, and some service is gender specific. Although men could be just as good serving as a nun as a woman would, men do not join nunneries.
 
Betterave said:
So what if you’ve considered them? Obviously you don’t understand them and my point stands: you’re not here to genuinely ask any questions about the truth of Catholicism, you think you already know all about it and are here just to encourage people to leave the Church. And I don’t think the Catholics who manage the board allow non-Catholics to join for the purpose of providing a forum for your kind of closed-minded anti-Catholic proselytizing. Debate is fine, but you’re not even debating the issue; you’re just insisting that you think women who think women have a right to the priesthood just as much as men should leave the Church.

Again here’s what you said:
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
And I have NEVER advocated women becoming Catholic priests in this thread.

I have said repeatedly that I think they would be better off leaving and joining a more welcoming faith.

And what I said:
Or to put it more frankly: You aren’t interested in understanding the Catholic faith or considering the possible truth of its doctrines, you are just here to attack it and to encourage people to leave the Church?
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This is why religion is a big war. Atheists and those of religions (or even other religions) see things in such different perspectives.
“I’m right, you’re wrong” isn’t getting anybody ANYWHERE.
but then again, betterave, you don’t know if he does not know about Catholicism. He might know tons about it, but just doesn’t agree with it, which is why he probably came here to debate. He might even be a former catholic, you don’t know. I don’t think hes trying to persuade people to leave the church, I just think he sees the church as strict and possibly sexist. But I could totally be wrong. I will have to wait for him/her to respond to this.

Its just a whole different perspective, and that is why religion is such a big war. Of course it could also be due to lack of understanding too.

People will back up their religion and debate it to the death, and that is why religion is seen as so ugly to many atheists.
 
BlueShadow123 said:
Of course its not! And that is what I was trying to say but you just kept assuming I knew nothing about it.
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Impoverished understanding. Impoverished. I think I’ve used that word multiple times in my posts.

Impoverished does not mean “nothing about it.”
I said that a job was the wrong word to use anyways.
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Indeed.

What word describes your understanding of the Catholic priesthood then?
 
BlueShadow123 said:
People will back up their religion and debate it to the death, and that is why religion is seen as so ugly to many atheists.
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Sure, you can look at it that way: religion is a big war. Atheism is just another party to that war though, so your comment doesn’t make sense (true, some atheists might see things that way, but only if they’re being irrational). “Do not think I have come to bring peace.” (Know who said that??)

Anyway, your characterization of my post as consisting of “you’re right, I’m wrong” is nothing but silly. 🤷

If someone wants to claim to know a lot about Catholicism and to be here for open-minded and respectful debate, there should be evidence of this in his/her posts. Don’t ya think?!
 
Betterave said:
Sure, you can look at it that way: religion is a big war. Atheism is just another party to that war though, so your comment doesn’t make sense (true, some atheists might see things that way, but only if they’re being irrational). “Do not think I have come to bring peace.” (Know who said that??)

Anyway, your characterization of my post as consisting of “you’re right, I’m wrong” is nothing but silly. 🤷

If someone claims to know about Catholicism and to be here for open-minded and respectful debate, there should be evidence of this in his/her posts. Don’t ya think?!
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I wasn’t talking about your post. I was talking about the war on religion in general. 👍

Also too, religion is supposed to be about peace. That is why its so ironic, because people have hurt and killed and destroyed in the name of ‘religion’. Its all through history, and quite sad if you ask me.
 
BlueShadow123 said:
But peace is supposed to come from religion too, not hatred.
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True, but war and hatred are not the same. Wars can be fought from motives of hatred, but should be fought for the sake of love. Again: “Do not think I have come to bring peace.” Know who said that? It was the founder of the Christian religion, the Prince of Peace (Mt 10:34). And I think it is clear enough why he said it: it is obviously unavoidable that we struggle and have conflict and war (not necessarily with literal swords or guns) if we want to attain to genuine peace, peace which expresses the truth of love and wherein we love the truth. That’s just the way the world is - and Jesus knew that (surprise).
 
BlueShadow123 said:
No, I just don’t waste my time debating catholics. Its pointless, nobody gets anywhere.

Sure, I should have used a different word, and i know what priests do, but they do make money from what they do aswell. Part of the money is given to the priest for their house to make payments.
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Priests don’t live in houses. They live in the Church, because part of their role is to guard the Eucharist - which they could not do, if they were not living in the same building with it, to guard it. 🙂
 
vsedriver said:
on #1 that is a command that Jesus gave them. He gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter. It’s not just a council of men.
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So?
#2 it’s one thing to ‘claim’ that God guides decision making, it’s another to have scriptural authority backing up apostolic decision making.
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Huh? I don’t see how either of these remarks is germane.
#3 yes, we agree, I do believe that both men and women are called to serve. I do believe that how you serve is up to the Church, and some service is gender specific. Although men could be just as good serving as a nun as a woman would, men do not join nunneries.
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Men have the equivalent office/role to nuns in the brotherhoods of monks. Women have no equivalent to the priest’s position. Or Bishop. Or Cardinal. Or Pope.
 
jmcrae said:
He never declared in red letters that they could not be, but at the same time, when ordaining the 12, He chose only men (with four women standing right there, He did not choose any of the four women, but only 12 of the men) - when ordaining the 72, He ordained only men, even though there were plenty of women to choose from, and when sending out the 5,000, He chose only men, even though there were probably an equal or greater number of women there who could have easily been chosen, if He had willed it.
And yet, they managed to buck just about everything else, and got sent to the lions for it.
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