Why do you believe in God?

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If there needs to be a first mover, it doesn’t have to be the Christian God, unless you call whatever that mover was “God” without knowing its nature.
St. Thomas’ Second Way is his strongest. His concept of causality is logically valid. There are however some problems with his argument (his cause is possibly not a first cause). See this improved argument that I linked to before. You’re right that it does not point to a personal first cause. Still, the existence of a necessary object comes for most atheists uncomfortably close to God and is not compatible with naturalism.

See Rutten’s modal-epistemic argument (here and here) for the existence of a personal first cause.
 
Also, could there not have been first motion without a mover - that sourceless kinetic (or what have you) energy got the ball rolling?
kinetic energy can not be source less, It can not come out of nowhere. What you said makes no sense. And logically there is a mover that started motion.
 
I’m pretty sure there are people today who would die for “Jesus.” They didn’t see him. Again, no contemporary accounts outside the Bible are known.
There is traditions passed on for years that where made before the bible.
 
St. Thomas’ Second Way is his strongest. His concept of causality is logically valid. There are however some problems with his argument (his cause is possibly not a first cause). See this improved argument that I linked to before. You’re right that it does not point to a personal first cause. Still, the existence of a necessary object comes for most atheists uncomfortably close to God and is not compatible with naturalism.

See Rutten’s modal-epistemic argument (here and here) for the existence of a personal first cause.
Thank You for sharing. True
 
Again, I see no reason we can’t be dependent on each other and accept the possibility, as uncomfortable as it may be, that there might be no afterlife. I was a believer once, and I manage as well as (if not better than) I did then.

Also, the issue comes again to proof. Who says the dependency you talked about actually has an object? If there is an afterlife, who says it’s the Christian Heaven?
Offer to prove against God, same problem really God is merciful but just, please return to The Lord who loves beyond measure. Interestingly, I don’t think you would be asking unless something in you was seeking still. My prayers.

In His Unfathomable love,
mlz
 
Well, of course they didn’t believe it was a lie, just as you don’t.

The age of traditions is no proof of their veracity.

Where did the first cause come from? Logic demands that.
St. Thomas’ Second Way is his strongest…See Rutten’s modal-epistemic argument (here and here) for the existence of a personal first cause.
Please summarize what points you’re referring to because those are ~30 pgs each. ^^;

Also to all repliers: I am not trying to offend. I’m here for healthy argument on this.
 
Well, of course they didn’t believe it was a lie, just as you don’t.

The age of traditions is no proof of their veracity.

Where did the first cause come from? Logic demands that.

Please summarize what points you’re referring to because those are ~30 pgs each. ^^;

Also to all repliers: I am not trying to offend. I’m here for healthy argument on this.
Umm the early Christians either knew or they didnt. If they believed, it was for good reason, for a very good reason such as being a witness to these miracles firsthand.

So they didnt just believe, they knew and they saw.
 
Did you see those things firsthand? You believe anyway. Why couldn’t they?
 
Did you see those things firsthand? You believe anyway. Why couldn’t they?
I didnt see those things first hand, but we have plenty of eyewitness accounts, martyrs, and 2000 years worth of tradition. You cant simply brush these things off. If you do, youre not exactly being honest with yourself.

As to the ones who didnt believe, its because they didnt WANT TO… Jesus was not the rebellious messiah they wanted. We’ve already been over this.
 
For me, there’s not just one thing, but various things that coalesce together and seem to only make sense with a God:
  • The argument from dependency: Everything in the known Universe is dependent on something for its existence; nothing exists of itself–something only participates in existence. Nothing in the Universe is self-sufficient; nothing is self-caused. We must look outside of a given thing for its reason for existence. But we must do this for every single thing in the Universe. Nothing accounts for its own existence: the Universe points beyond itself, to something that caused the Universe, to something that must be self-sufficient. This Self-Sufficient thing must be Existence itself, Being itself, what we call “God.”
  • Big Bang Cosmology especially points to the need for a creator God, as the Big Bang ultimately suggests that our Universe came from nothing.
  • God as self-sufficient Existence, Being itself, fits nicely with a Christian understanding of God. For there has to be one God, as there is unity in existence itself, and it is not too hard to see God as infinite once we see Him as Being itself.
  • The fact that humans exist. What’s the purpose of the human animal evolving to the point it has? Sure, biological evolution is compatible with Christianity. But mere evolution, with no God, makes us ask why the Universe is “designed” in such a way that humans are able to form in the first place. Humans: Rational life: Creatures that are able to communicate, think, create, and love.
  • The evidence for Jesus, in connection with the existence of the 2,000-year old Church that has never ceased to preach the same teachings.
  • The sanctity of the saints, who really lived their faith. Surely something more powerful than a mere “opiate of the masses” was guiding their lives, as many of them endured much hardships and gave up their lives.
  • The miracles of the Church point to the existence of God. There are many well-documented miracles of the Church. I believe that to be canonized saint, there must be at least 2 (?) miracles based on his or her intercession. And saints often have many mystical phenomena throughout their lives, like the stigmata, bilocation, levitiation, and incorruptible bodies. One can see miracles even today. The body of Bournadette Soubirous, whom the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to, is incorrupt and has been since the late 1800s. There are also Eucharistic miracles, like the famous one of Lanciano.
  • In connection with the last, God still intervenes, often through apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the last century, she appeared to three children at Fatima, Portugal, and a well-attested to miracle occured there (the “Miracle of the Sun”).
 
I believe in God because it takes more faith to believe there is no god than it takes to believe that God created the universe and everything in it.
 
The argument from dependency: Everything in the known Universe is dependent on something for its existence; nothing exists of itself–something only participates in existence. Nothing in the Universe is self-sufficient; nothing is self-caused. We must look outside of a given thing for its reason for existence. But we must do this for every single thing in the Universe. Nothing accounts for its own existence: the Universe points beyond itself, to something that caused the Universe, to something that must be self-sufficient. This Self-Sufficient thing must be Existence itself, Being itself, what we call “God.”
I don’t understand. Can you provide examples?
Big Bang Cosmology especially points to the need for a creator God, as the Big Bang ultimately suggests that our Universe came from nothing.
That’s a logical fallacy called argument from ignorance. Basically you’re saying “I don’t know, so God must have done it.”
God as self-sufficient Existence, Being itself, fits nicely with a Christian understanding of God. For there has to be one God, as there is unity in existence itself, and it is not too hard to see God as infinite once we see Him as Being itself.
“Fitting nicely” is just that. It’s not proof; it just shows your idea has been crafted to seem plausible.
The fact that humans exist. What’s the purpose of the human animal evolving to the point it has? Sure, biological evolution is compatible with Christianity. But mere evolution, with no God, makes us ask why the Universe is “designed” in such a way that humans are able to form in the first place. Humans: Rational life: Creatures that are able to communicate, think, create, and love.
Again, not proof. Why is God needed to explain this? Couldn’t we humans have souls that existed before time, if there was such a (no)thing?
The evidence for Jesus, in connection with the existence of the 2,000-year old Church that has never ceased to preach the same teachings.
Except the heliocentric model, the existence of witches…
The sanctity of the saints, who really lived their faith. Surely something more powerful than a mere “opiate of the masses” was guiding their lives, as many of them endured much hardships and gave up their lives.
People also believe fervently that they were abducted by aliens.
The miracles of the Church point to the existence of God. There are many well-documented miracles of the Church. I believe that to be canonized saint, there must be at least 2 (?) miracles based on his or her intercession. And saints often have many mystical phenomena throughout their lives, like the stigmata, bilocation, levitiation, and incorruptible bodies. One can see miracles even today. The body of Bournadette Soubirous, whom the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to, is incorrupt and has been since the late 1800s. There are also Eucharistic miracles, like the famous one of Lanciano.
If these were proven signs of a god, most scientists would be theists.
In connection with the last, God still intervenes, often through apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the last century, she appeared to three children at Fatima, Portugal, and a well-attested to miracle occured there (the “Miracle of the Sun”).
There were many people at the site who saw no sun miracle. Ones who did had been standing all day and wanted to see something “prophecied,” if I remember right. As for the children, we don’t have a way of telling what they saw or thought they saw.
As to the ones who didnt believe, its because they didnt WANT TO… Jesus was not the rebellious messiah they wanted. We’ve already been over this.
Yes, we have, and my guess is still my guess.
 
Why do I believe in God?

Because there is simply no other explanation for so many of the things I’ve seen and experienced - other than the intervention of a loving God.

I’ve categorically ruled out all other possible causes for these things.
 
For example?
This is a story about sin and redemption. I heard it at a 12-step recovery meeting on the west coast 19 months ago. It bears repeating.

The speaker (a recovering alcoholic and drug addict in his mid-50’s) began by saying his mother died when he was 3 or 4 years old and that he always resented God for taking his mother from him. His father was in and out of jail and he spent much of his childhood in foster care. He grew into the street life and became a member of a large Mexican street gang. Shooting erupted during a drug deal. He was wounded but killed one of the rival gang members who was shooting at him. He spent 8 years in a maximum security prison. He had gone to grade school with the young man he shot and was consumed with remorse. He had alcohol and drug problems before prison and after her was released they rapidly intensified. After several failed attempts and relapses, he finally got sober. In a halfway house he began working the 12 steps. Since early in his sobriety he has worked in a program which helps divert teens from the street life and gangs. He speaks in jails, prisons, and on Spanish-language radio programs. For him, the most difficult step was the 9th step (amends to people he’d harmed). He was desperate to make amends to the man he’d killed. For years it bothered him and it got to the point where he was certain he’d drink or use again if he couldn’t make this amend. His sponsor had him pray about it for a couple months and then instructed him to make a graveside amends when he felt ready.

One morning he felt ready and drove to the cemetery. At the grave, he fell on his knees sobbing and poured his heart into the amends. As he was finishing, he felt a gentle hand on his shoulder. He turned and saw an elderly woman whom he recognized as his victim’s mother. (He remembered her from the trial almost 20 years earlier.) There were tears on her face. She put her hand on his cheek then helped him to his feet and embraced him. She said she hadn’t been to the grave in over a year but that something told her to go that morning. She told him “My son was a bad man. He would have killed you if you didn’t shoot him. He killed others before you. I don’t know if he heard you just now, but I very much needed to hear this. Thank you. I’m an old woman now. I have no one; all my relatives are in Mexico. I have no son. I never had a son. But now I have you.” He told her he always wished he’d had a mother and now he had found one.

From that day, he began to care for her, drive her places, visit her and spend holidays with her. During the last couple years of her life he moved her into his house. She died in his arms. Her last words were “Te amo mijo” (I love you my son.). Although this had happened a few years ago, he stood at the podium for a minute afterwards struggling to regain his composure.

There is NO OTHER EXPLANATION for what happened. God did this. If you ever, for a moment, doubt that there is a God who loves us immensely and is acting in our lives, just listen to other people’s experiences. There will be no doubt. God loves us and wants us to love Him and others. If we ask and are willing, God will lead the way. God is so beautiful.
 
faith (feɪθ) — n 1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence
 
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