Why do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

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House_Harkonnen said:
35,002 considering you aren’t throwing the Catholic and Orthodox churches in the mix.

I disagree. Christianity is actually remarkably unified. Even the different denominations. Much more unified than most other world religions.

35002 understandings including the RC and EO communions.
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Yup. Pick the top Christian Church’s and the only major disagreements are the Eucharist and the time for Baptism; after that, it’s nothing that would or could affect Salvation.

We mostly practice the exact same things differently. Unity, not uniformity.
 
dronald said:
Would you say then, that the differences between the branches of Orthodoxy (who consider themselves “Catholic”) and your Church invalidate your Church’s practices?

Or would that just be down right silly?
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The issue at hand is SS,not the differences between West & East.

BTW: Orthodoxy also rejects SS as a practice by early Christianity.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Indeed. The books that ARE scripture or whether or not a book is scripture has naught to do with the practice of norming doctrine by scripture.
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This is nonsensical.

You are telling me that your “norming” principle is a set of books, but you don’t know which books actually belong to that set.
 
Nicea325 said:
We are going in circles here. If you have admitted that you cannot support such a position before the canon or after the formalized canon,then how on earth can you expect others to believe it is an orthodox practice? We can support the Trinity,Hypostatic Union,etc,etc.

Verses showing that **scripture-only **is the only authority to appeal to?
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If you have admitted that you cannot support such a position before the canon or after the formalized canon,then how on earth can you expect others to believe it is an orthodox practice? We can support the Trinity,Hypostatic Union,etc,et
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Because that’s not my position.
Verses showing that **scripture-only **is the only authority to appeal to
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That’s not my position either.
 
FathersKnowBest said:
This is nonsensical.

You are telling me that your “norming” principle is a set of books, but you don’t know which books actually belong to that set.
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The norming principle is not the set of books, rather what is taught in the books.

The set of books is irrelevant, to the practice of sola scripture.

As for the canon, I am happy to accept consensus of the church on the matter.
 
FathersKnowBest said:
What is taught in WHICH books?

Would Harry Potter do?
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Now you’re just being silly.

Harry Potter was never accepted by the consensus of the church. As I said before, I am happy to accept the consensus of the church on the matter.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Now you’re just being silly.

Harry Potter was never accepted by the consensus of the church. As I said before, I am happy to accept the consensus of the church on the matter.
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Great.
You realize that you’re hanging all of your beliefs on the most important issues in the universe on this consensus. Why would you do that?

I know why I would – because the Church was divinely authorized by the Son of God to settle all matters having to do with faith and morals.

And you?
 
FathersKnowBest said:
Great.
You realize that you’re hanging all of your beliefs on the most important issues in the universe on this consensus. Why would you do that?

I know why I would – because the Church was divinely authorized by the Son of God to settle all matters having to do with faith and morals.

And you?
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The canon is not “all of my beliefs” nor is it “the most important issue in the universe”.

In fact I hold the issue of canon between Catholics and Protestants to be a very little issue indeed.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Because that’s not my position.

That’s not my position either.
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Indeed it is your position. You said:

There exist lesser authorities:tradition,the church,etc

Hence,in essence,you are placing the written Word of God above and as “the” authority. The fact you said lesser implies they are not at par with the Bible.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
The norming principle is not the set of books, rather what is taught in the books.

The set of books is irrelevant, to the practice of sola scripture.

As for the canon, I am happy to accept consensus of the church on the matter.
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Precisely why SS is open to an array of positions. So another SS advocates can say:

The set of books is irrelevant in relation to SS,thus I will include the Gospel of Peter.

Proof why SS is a late invention because SS could not have existed without a current canon, if not SS could include any book into the mix. No current canon…no SS
 
Nicea325 said:
Indeed it is your position. You said:

There exist lesser authorities:tradition,the church,etc

Hence,in essence,you are placing the written Word of God above and as “the” authority. The fact you said lesser implies they are not at par with the Bible.
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No, not THE authority, that would imply its the only one, I don’t believe that and I know of no one who does. It’s the highest authority, to which all other authorities are subject.

To the lesser authorities, church, tradition, reason etc, all are subject to the word of God, since all those others are subject to error.
 
FathersKnowBest said:
What is taught in WHICH books?

Would Harry Potter do?
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House_Harkonnen said:
Now you’re just being silly.

Harry Potter was never accepted by the consensus of the church. As I said before, I am happy to accept the consensus of the church on the matter.
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FathersKnowBest said:
Great.
You realize that you’re hanging all of your beliefs on the most important issues in the universe on this consensus. Why would you do that?

I know why I would – because the Church was divinely authorized by the Son of God to settle all matters having to do with faith and morals.

And you?
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I guess I need to cancel the magic wand I just ordered…
 
House_Harkonnen said:
I think your reading things into scripture. I don’t see a magisterium present here.
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How bizarre! And yet you believe:

Scripture is the highest authority

I do not read a single word or verse in scripture supporting your belief.

Geee…I wonder if the whole belief of the Bible is the highest authority is responsible for so many denominations and interpretations of SS?

Yet many believe the early church taught it and practiced? Pure insanity!
 
Nicea325 said:
Precisely why SS is open to an array of positions. So another SS advocates can say:

The set of books is irrelevant in relation to SS,thus I will include the Gospel of Peter.

Proof why SS is a late invention because SS could not have existed without a current canon, if not SS could include any book into the mix. No current canon…no SS
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I think you’re failing to see that appealing to sacred Tradition is also open to an array of traditions, that’s why there are many churches, each claiming to follow authentic tradition but teaching differently. Can’t you see such an appeal is a recipe for division?

If you wanted to include the gospel of Peter than I would say that’s not in keeping with the criteria the church uses for its canon, nor is it in agreement with the rest of scripture. Could you still have it? Sure. Would it affect your salvation? Probably not.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
No, not THE authority, that would imply its the only one, I don’t believe that and I know of no one who does. It’s the highest authority, to which all other authorities are subject.

To the*** lesser authorities, church, tradition, reason ***etc, all are subject to the word of God, since all those others are subject to error.
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My friend, you are contradicting yourself. Lesser means what? Below. Explain how on earth do you remove the oral and written of God apart from His mystical body called the church?
 
House_Harkonnen said:
I think you’re failing to see that appealing to sacred Tradition is also open to an array of traditions, that’s why there are many churches, each claiming to follow authentic tradition but teaching differently. Can’t you see such an appeal is a recipe for division?

If you wanted to include the gospel of Peter than I would say that’s not in keeping with the criteria the church uses for its canon, nor is it in agreement with the rest of scripture. Could you still have it? Sure. Would it affect your salvation? Probably not.
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Not exactly black and white,depends on what tradition you are referring to? Traditions or traditions?
 
and for the illiterate there is no highest authority because they cannot read sacred scripture.

too bad for them, millions of them down through the centuries living their lives without access to the highest authority in christianity.

not a religion i would want to accept where the highest authority is unavailable to millions.
 
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