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joe371
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Nowhere does the bible say that the bible is sufficient…I am not sure why non-Catholics keep saying that the bible is sufficient as if that is all they need…I am still waiting for my sister to show me that verse…Lol…
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marywarfield
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Bottom line Faith Dancer can repeat his post a
hundred times, post Scripture is inerrant and sufficient.
If Scripture is inerrant and sufficient , then Sola
Scriptura Must be wrong because the Bible doesn’t
teach Sola Scriptura and saying that Sola Scriptura
is correct means the Bible is IN sufficient- it doesn’t
teach Sola Scriptura sufficiently.
Which is why from the time of Moses to Martin
Luther and John Calvin no one anywhere followed
Sola Scriptura. Not Elijah, not Moses, not the Jews
or Jesus.
So either Sola Scriptura is errant or the Bible is
not sufficient.
Case closed.
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joe371
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Great point, and spot on!
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Faithdancer
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Whoever said that “the Bible says the Bible is sufficient?” Talk about a straw man, lol!
The Bible doesn’t contain the words “pope” or “Vatican” or “magisterium” either, but that doesn’t stop y’all, does it?
The Bible doesn’t contain the words “pope” or “Vatican” or “magisterium” either, but that doesn’t stop y’all, does it?
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Faithdancer
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I forgive you for your innuendo. I’m done with this thread, though, since you choose to get personal.
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joe371
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Lol…Perhaps I left out an important detail: Are you a sola scriptura advocate?
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marywarfield
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But us all aren’t sola Scripturists Faithdancer LMAO!!!
Seems to me if the Bible is your only authority it
should tell you that…or be insufficient.
In any case using your reasoning the Bible simply is not sufficient enough
to make a case for Sola sufficiently. Cause not only are the
words not there either is the whole idea! Just sayin.
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eddie_too
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where does a christian learn those things Jesus taught but are not contained in sacred scripture?
Ok, but Lutherans consider certain things in the Augsburg Confession, the real presence,
one baptism, infant baptism, confession/Holy Absolution, for example, essentials.
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marywarfield
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Other gospels, epistles, writings not in scripture or found
later, history, knowledge of traditions at the time, study
of Jesus, Jews, Romans, Greeks, archeology, art, etc. etc.
etc.
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eddie_too
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Jesus spent three years personally teaching the apostles.
sacred scripture contains much of what He taught them, but it does not contain everything He taught them.
while there are secular sources that contain much information about the time and cultures during which Jesus lived, i do not consider them reliable for knowing what Jesus taught that is not contained in sacred scripture. one reason i do not consider them reliable is because they were not there to hear and see what Jesus was teaching the apostles.
sacred scripture contains much of what He taught them, but it does not contain everything He taught them.
while there are secular sources that contain much information about the time and cultures during which Jesus lived, i do not consider them reliable for knowing what Jesus taught that is not contained in sacred scripture. one reason i do not consider them reliable is because they were not there to hear and see what Jesus was teaching the apostles.
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marywarfield
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So if it directly conflicts with Scripture you ignore
the info. If it doesn’t it is useful. But what is NOT
useful is adding words and ideas TO THE SCRIPTURE
that it never intended… like Sola Scriptura.
If the Scripture wanted to be the ONLY authority
to be consulted it would have said so.
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Eric_Hilbert
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The topic, not each other
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GraceofGod31
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Give an example of one thing taught by Jesus that is essential to your salvation that we can not read in Scripture?
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eddie_too
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apostolic succession, the primacy of peter, the seven sacraments, the Trinity, among many.
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eddie_too
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if you define what is essential for salvation as being only what is fully defined in sacred scripture or even as having support in sacred scripture, you are using circular logic.
you start with the idea that only what is found in sacred scripture is essential for salvation and then you ask for something not found in sacred scripture that is essential for salvation.
you set up a no-win question.
if a person comes up with something, you simply deny that it is essential for salvation. argument over disagreement resolved. see how easy it is?
you start with the idea that only what is found in sacred scripture is essential for salvation and then you ask for something not found in sacred scripture that is essential for salvation.
you set up a no-win question.
if a person comes up with something, you simply deny that it is essential for salvation. argument over disagreement resolved. see how easy it is?
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dronald
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Do you have any evidence of anything specifically that Jesus taught which is not found in Scripture?
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marywarfield
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Nothing. But is there any reason not to read or
follow that which makes you go beyond merely
your own salvation? Like being the best Christian
you can be?
If all I was worried about was myself… Then the
answer to your question is no.
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Per_Crucem
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What do I need, outside of Scripture, that will teach me to be a better Christian?
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eddie_too
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unless the questioner reveals what teachings of Jesus they consider essential to salvation, it is impossible to answer such a question.
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