Why do you hate Islam?

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Doesn’t Criticizing Islam contributing to racism?

considering that islam is not a race - that is an incorrect argument. The double standard is glaring - criticizing Christianity is ok, while criticizing Islam is not. Progressivism is a Marxist/commie movement, and Islam is another fascism (totalitarian, forcible suppression of opposition, etc) type of political movement with religion only a part of it. But, the religion part of it cannot be discounted since that is the reasoning behind the shove of themselves onto others, and over others.

It took what Hitler and Stalin started and put religion over it. Stalin tried to make himself up as a god, and Hitler tried to use ‘Fate’ (always capitalized in his Mein Kampf) as a god, but they just didn’t totally replace God. Muhammed was successful with his Allah. And he probably was successful because he inacted prayers, rites, and places of worship while the other two did not.

Hitler and Muhammed borrowed from the Bible, as do many cult peoples of our times - the ‘House of Yahweh’ is one example of that.
 
The problem with your interpretation vs her interpretation is very little. And the reason due to you quoting more verses just show us that if one stops fighting and accepts subjugation - then that is ok too. In other words, just as long as one selects either death, conversion or subjugation - then all is ok in a Muslim’s mind/world.

So much for tolerance. So much for peace.

So, basically there has been nothing taken out of context.
Agabriel, what do you suggest for the people living in war zones? What they should do and how should they be dealt?? Please bring something from your bible and do not mess about with any of your own ideas. Bring from bibleNT.Thanks.
We have read these types of excuses before to try to explain that we are misinterpreting some passage in the Quran. Sometimes the Muslim/apologist will tell us that it is a story of the time of Muhammed which means that the Quran is not for all people for all times.
Other times the Muslim/apologist will tell us we only take the ‘sword’ verses. Which is ironic since some Muslims will say there are no sword verses, then others will omit the part about abrogation, or deny it - even though it is very clearly stated by Muhammed that abrogation is a-ok.
And then the Muslims will forget that the sword verses are indeed applicable because they consider our lands the ‘lands of war’ and the sword verses - deception, killing, terrorizing, etc - do indeed apply.
**You always take far fetched meanings of the words “son”, " begotten" and “brothers” of your bible only to your own advantage. When son is written you take literal meaning. When brothers of Jesus is in bible you take some other meaning i.e. cousins etc.

At the same time you try to take the worst meanings of the verses of the Quran. So that is your modus operandi. Just think over**.
Why would we want to discuss verses that are weak, abrogated, or that most Muslims do not use unless they are trying to fool us into thinking that Islam is peaceful? Since this dualism is in Islam we all need to look at the behavior of Muslims worldwide and either they are waging Jihad, supporting Jihad with their wealth and morale/celebrations, and doing nothing about their jihadists other than complaining when they attack fellow Muslims.
There are no weak or abrogated verses in the Quran. If there is any then show it to me now, one by one.
 
Agabriel, what do you suggest for the people living in war zones? What they should do and how should they be dealt?? Please bring something from your bible and do not mess about with any of your own ideas. Bring from bibleNT.Thanks.

**Muslims define our lands, peaceful lands that are not in a war, as war zones just because we are not under sharia laws, or Muslim rule (subjugated).

You tell me to bring something from the Bible when you cannot?! We are talking about why someone hates Islam, not anything from the Bible. I am telling people why I hate it.

The redefinitions of words such as our lands under our Constitution (as one example) is redefined as ‘dar al harb’, or the land of war. **

You always take far fetched meanings of the words “son”, " begotten" and “brothers” of your bible only to your own advantage. When son is written you take literal meaning. When brothers of Jesus is in bible you take some other meaning i.e. cousins etc.

At the same time you try to take the worst meanings of the verses of the Quran. So that is your modus operandi. Just think over.

**This is not a thread about the Bible. None of the terms you quote mean anything to kill or demean anybody with.

They also do not sway anything about Jesus. If it bothers you, start another thread and if anyone wants to discuss it with you then so be it. **

There are no weak or abrogated verses in the Quran. If there is any then show it to me now, one by one.

**I have not only showed it to you - it is in the Quran - not the hadiths. And it is so very convenient that you throw this sort of a question out time and again, or denial, and then not read the response. It only shows us that you don’t know your own Quran, much less the Bible. And your view of history of any area is really far fetched most of the time. It is hard to take you seriously.

Here goes again 🤷

“None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?” Surah 2: 106

“When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not.” Surah 16:101

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How much of a lesson in futility do I want to do with you to take each surah, one by one, with you? I pass.

If you want to read about abrogation, then here is an article. I am not going to get into that with you since it is a lesson in futility. And I know you won’t read the article, but I post it for anyone else who wants some information.

Abrogation
THREE KINDS OF ABROGATION:
  1. Verses in which both the wording and application were abrogated/nullified.
  1. Verses in which the wording was abrogated (nullified) but the application was not.
  2. Verses in which the application was abrogated (nullified), but the wording was not.
There are examples given for each of the above types of abrogation.
 
bengland, if any Muslim says even a bad word against Jesus or his mother, he is not a MuslimThat is a fact. i do not deny what you said.there may be such foolish Muslim persons
who disrespet jesus. But surely they become a kaafir the moment they say a word of disrespect.
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So you confess that either you are not a Muslim, or a you are a Muslim but foolish Muslim person?Do not forget,once you repeatedly abused Jesus and mother Mary because one Christian poster wrote some harsh word to your prophet.👍
 
The problem with your interpretation vs her interpretation is very little. And the reason due to you quoting more verses just show us that if one stops fighting and accepts subjugation - then that is ok too. In other words, just as long as one selects either death, conversion or subjugation - then all is ok in a Muslim’s mind/world.

So much for tolerance. So much for peace.

So, basically there has been nothing taken out of context.

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16:82** But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message **.

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness**. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper." **

11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, **does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?° **

17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe … Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, “Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?’ But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far.”

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe;** therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord**. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

24.54. Say: "Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

88:21 22; **And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe. **

36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them.** But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach **…

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25 26 And they ask, “When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?” Say, “The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner.”

10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: “To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant,” It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

109.1-6 Say : O ye that reject Faith,! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.

"And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 6:68

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing

As for such who do not fight you on account of faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers. 60:8-9

Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ 22:39-40

I hate it when people call me a liar.**
 
16:82** But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message **.

6:107
4:79-80
11:28
17:53-54
21:107-109
22:67
24.54.
88:21 22;
36:16 17
39:41
42:6 48

64:12
67:25 26
10.99-100.
28.55-56
109.1-6

2:256
22:39-40 (deleted due to # of lines)

I hate it when people call me a liar.
No one is calling you a liar - it is against the rules- but you only give us the abrogated surahs and we can prove you wrong.

What I hate is when we get stuff like this and not the full truth coming from Islam, or its texts, from Muslims.
  1. Surahs that were not influenced by applications of the doctrine of the Abrogator and the Abrogated. (43 Surahs)
Surahs 1, 12, 36, 49, 55, 57, 61, 62, 66, 67, 68, 69, 71, 72, 77, 78, 79, 82, 83, 84, 85, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 104, 105, 106, 107,109, 108, 110, 112, 113, and 114
  1. Surahs that maintained the authority of the Abrogator, but their original wording was not abrogated/nullified.(6 Surahs)
Surahs 48, 59, 63, 64, 65, and 87
  1. Surahs that had their wording abrogated/nullified, but maintained their authority for applications. (40 Surahs)
Surahs 6, 7 10, 11, 13, 15 16 17, 18, 20, 23, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 51, 53, 54, 60, 68, 70, 74, 75, 76, 77, 86, 80, 88, and 109
  1. Surahs that have had both their authority for applications and their wording abrogated. (24 Surahs)
Surahs 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 14, 18, 19, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 33, 34, 40, 42, 51, 52, 56, 58, 73, 103, and 108
And then others of your surahs quoted were replaced by the ‘sword’ surahs in Chapter 9.

Abrogation

And yes, I am posting this again because it is obvious that it is not being read, but I post it for others to know where I am getting this stuff from.

This is actually the one of the more practiced things being done on these threads:
**intentionally deceiving us to know the Quran: 6:25 6:110 17:45-76 **
 
No one is calling you a liar - it is against the rules- but you only give us the abrogated surahs and we can prove you wrong.

What I hate is when we get stuff like this and not the full truth coming from Islam, or its texts, from Muslims.

And then others of your surahs quoted were replaced by the ‘sword’ surahs in Chapter 9.

Abrogation

And yes, I am posting this again because it is obvious that it is not being read, but I post it for others to know where I am getting this stuff from.

This is actually the one of the more practiced things being done on these threads:
**intentionally deceiving us to know the Quran: 6:25 6:110 17:45-76 **
By : A. Muhammed

[taken from the book by the author titled

‘THE LIE OF ABROGATION’ ]

INTRODUCTION

The abrogation of Quranic verses, arguably the greatest lie against the Quran, was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

According to this concept, it is claimed that some verses in the Quran are abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by anti-Quranic writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book.

Abrogations or Contradictions?

As mentioned, the abrogation concept implies that some Quranic verses have been abrogated by other verses. On the other hand, the anti-Quranic writers claim that these cases, and other cases they put forward, are in fact contradictions inside the Quran. Consequently, they use these cases as evidence to refute the divinity of the Quran.

It is noted that the examples used by Muslim scholars as ‘abrogated verses’ are not always the verses used by non-Muslim writers and which they simply refer to as ‘contradictions in the Quran’.

Although it can be said that the common aspect shared by the two groups is their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it can also be added that in the case of the non-Muslim writers, and particularly those who do not speak Arabic, we often find many of their claims for contradictions to be a product of their acquisition of inaccurate and misleading translations of the Quran.

Both of these types of false claims can be dealt with in the light of the Quran. It can be demonstrated that these claims are no more than cases of poor understanding of the book.

Abrogation claims of

Muslim Scholars

For full details please check the following page:

quran-islam.org/89.html
 
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Your religion teachs [sic] you that Jesus became a cursed person.
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Cursed by whom? Obviously not Allah because he “miraculously saved Jesus from the ignominous [sic] (cursed) death on the cross.” Jesus must have been cursed by evil men [and they must have been evil men because Islam says they corrupted the Bible]. A curse by an evil person is a blessing [sorta like a double negative is a positive]. The bigger the curse [and/or the more evil the evil person], the more blessed the “cursed one”. Therefore, Jesus must have died on the cross so that everyone would know how blessed He is.

In any event, I still don’t know why Islam has a problem with the way Jesus died. It doesn’t change his message [whatever Islam says it might be], and that’s what counts; and Mohammed claimed Jesus’ message also got “corrupted”, hence Allah sent Mohammed as his final messenger to straighten things out.
 
By : A. Muhammed

[taken from the book by the author titled

‘THE LIE OF ABROGATION’ ]

INTRODUCTION

The abrogation of Quranic verses, arguably the greatest lie against the Quran, was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.
All you have accomplished here is to show that Muslim “scholars” disagree on what Islam is [contrary to what Muslim Woman and Sister Amy told us; that is, the Qur’an has remained unchanged from the beginning and is not subject to human interpretation.]

Soooo … what else is new?
 
By : A. Muhammed

[taken from the book by the author titled

‘THE LIE OF ABROGATION’ ]

INTRODUCTION

The abrogation of Quranic verses, arguably the greatest lie against the Quran, was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

According to this concept, it is claimed that some verses in the Quran are abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by anti-Quranic writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book.

Abrogations or Contradictions?

As mentioned, the abrogation concept implies that some Quranic verses have been abrogated by other verses. On the other hand, the anti-Quranic writers claim that these cases, and other cases they put forward, are in fact contradictions inside the Quran. Consequently, they use these cases as evidence to refute the divinity of the Quran.

It is noted that the examples used by Muslim scholars as ‘abrogated verses’ are not always the verses used by non-Muslim writers and which they simply refer to as ‘contradictions in the Quran’.

Although it can be said that the common aspect shared by the two groups is their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it can also be added that in the case of the non-Muslim writers, and particularly those who do not speak Arabic, we often find many of their claims for contradictions to be a product of their acquisition of inaccurate and misleading translations of the Quran.

Both of these types of false claims can be dealt with in the light of the Quran. It can be demonstrated that these claims are no more than cases of poor understanding of the book.

Abrogation claims of

Muslim Scholars

For full details please check the following page:

quran-islam.org/89.html
It seems that since we figured out abrogation - you guys had to come up with something, huh?

Sorry, too late.

Muhammed already did the damage by not being consistent and going from a relatively benign movement to a deadly force.

History bears it out as do even the ones that our left wing liberals label ‘moderate’ or ‘peaceful’. If there was such a thing as a mistake - you would have more problems with your Jihadists - and the majority of Muslims do not. THey only are concerned when their Jihadists are attacked back after a time (usually a long time) by infidels. Look at the behavior of Hamas/Arab Palestinians and the Israelis as an example.

The Muslims lob bombs into Israel on a daily basis and the Muslims only start their wailing and whining when the Israelis strike back after months of bombing. The behavior of Muslims speaks the opposite of what they try to tell us.

And that is your conundrum. You want us to believe the abrogated surahs are still valid while Muslims still practice the newer, stronger, surahs.
 
It seems that since we figured out abrogation - you guys had to come up with something, huh?

Sorry, too late.

Muhammed already did the damage by not being consistent and going from a relatively benign movement to a deadly force.

History bears it out as do even the ones that our left wing liberals label ‘moderate’ or ‘peaceful’. If there was such a thing as a mistake - you would have more problems with your Jihadists - and the majority of Muslims do not. THey only are concerned when their Jihadists are attacked back after a time (usually a long time) by infidels. Look at the behavior of Hamas/Arab Palestinians and the Israelis as an example.

The Muslims lob bombs into Israel on a daily basis and the Muslims only start their wailing and whining when the Israelis strike back after months of bombing. The behavior of Muslims speaks the opposite of what they try to tell us.

And that is your conundrum. You want us to believe the abrogated surahs are still valid while Muslims still practice the newer, stronger, surahs.
So you are Jewish 😃
 
This is an awful thread! Why do you hate Muslims. I think it should be changed to “Why do you hate anyone that is not Catholic.” It makes it sound like anyone who is not Catholic is scum on the bottom of one’s shoe and is not even treated like a human being. The need to be burn and scrubbed til they are bleeding then be baptized Catholic.

I know Muslims, Witnesses, Baptists. I don’t have a problem w/any of them, nor do I spend time trying to tell them they are evil, despicable, false, mislead, brainwashed or any of the sort. Want to save us Non-Catholics? How about being a good example and finding good in others for a start. This thread shows just how intollerant Catholics are about any non-Catholic. Glad I am no longer Catholic.
At the risk of going off-topic, have you ever read what Joseph Smith Jr and Brigham said about Catholicism (as well as every Protestant denomination)? They certainly *‘had a problem’ *with Baptists even if you don’t. The LDS have absolutely nothing to teach anyone about slandering other religions - no LDS prophet has disowned JS’s or BY’s opinions and recorded comments on these matters. Could I remind you that it is a moslem asking why islam is hated, we are merely telling him why this is/could be the case.
 
For Planten who does not yet know who Christ the Lord really is…From Christ’s own mouth…

John10
10 And Jesus walked about in the temple area on the Portico of Solomon.
24
So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? **If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” **
25
Jesus answered them, "I told you and you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify to me.
26
But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.
27
My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand.
30
The Father and I are one.
31
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him.
32
Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?”
33
The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.”
34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?
35
If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scripture cannot be set aside,
36
can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
37
If I do not perform my Father’s works, do not believe me;
38
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize (and understand) that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”
39
(Then) they tried again to arrest him; but he escaped from their power.
40
He went back across the Jordan to the place where John first baptized, and there he remained.
41
Many came to him and said, “John performed no sign, but everything John said about this man was true.”
42
And many there began to believe in him.
 
For Planten who does not yet know who Christ the Lord really is…From Christ’s own mouth…

John10
10 And Jesus walked about in the temple area on the Portico of Solomon.
24
So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? **If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” **

etc.
“It would be useless to quote passages of Scripture against those who do not accept this authority.” – Thomas Aquinas, Reasons for the Faith Against Muslim Objections.

That is why we should use what Muslims do accept. It also helps keep the thread on-topic.
 
For Planten who does not yet know who Christ the Lord really is…From Christ’s own mouth…

John10
10 And Jesus walked about in the temple area on the Portico of Solomon.
24
So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? **If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.” **
25
Jesus answered them, "I told you and you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify to me.
26
But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.
27
My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand.
30
The Father and I are one.
31
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him.
32
Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?”
33
The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.”
34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?
35
If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scripture cannot be set aside,
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can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
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If I do not perform my Father’s works, do not believe me;
38
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize (and understand) that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”
39
(Then) they tried again to arrest him; but he escaped from their power.
40
He went back across the Jordan to the place where John first baptized, and there he remained.
41
Many came to him and said, “John performed no sign, but everything John said about this man was true.”
42
And many there began to believe in him.
These are beautiful, and what about also John 8, since Islam believes in Abraham as their ancestor in faith.

John 8:56-58 Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day: he saw it, and was glad. The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

God is the Great “I am.”
 
“It would be useless to quote passages of Scripture against those who do not accept this authority.” – Thomas Aquinas, Reasons for the Faith Against Muslim Objections.

That is why we should use what Muslims do accept. It also helps keep the thread on-topic.
The Islamic propagandist has tried to explain to us what our Scriptures teach. In this case, it is not really inappropriate. If he hadn’t done that, there would be no need for this.

Please do go on to other things as well, as there are many things to discuss.
 
…What I hate is when we get stuff like this and not the full truth coming from Islam, or its texts, from Muslims…
When have we ever received the full truth from Islam, it’s texts, or from Muslims? I’ve never seen this. If a Muslim were to provide the truth, he/she would be on their way to becoming Catholic.
 
When have we ever received the full truth from Islam, it’s texts, or from Muslims? I’ve never seen this. If a Muslim were to provide the truth, he/she would be on their way to becoming Catholic.
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When have we ever received the full truth from Islam, it’s texts, or from Muslims? I’ve never seen this. If a Muslim were to provide the truth, he/she would be on their way to becoming Catholic.
Amen!
 
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