Why do you hate Islam?

[slyboots]

Charles Martel…(688?-741), Carolingian ruler of the Frankish kingdom of Austrasia (in present northeastern France and southwestern Germany). Although he was engaged in wars against the Alamanni, Bavarians, and Saxons, his greatest achievements were against the Muslims from Spain, who invaded France in 732 . He was also grandfather to Charlemagne

 

[slyboots]

assalam,

what about that time when he rejected that women because she wasn’t an israelite? i forgot the verse but i’d find it for you inshallah…

wasalam

Read this Zaki, please. Not rejected at all I would say.
womeninthebible.net/2.8.Samaritan_woman.htm

oops off topic.
Planten,
you ask us for proof of where Christ says he is the Son of God and that He and His Father are one. We give it to you and you say “Oh he wouldn’t have said that.”
So We show you. You refuse to accept proof.
For those who believe no proof is needed. For those who don’t no proof if enough.

 

[PJM]

I do not hate Islam, its faith, or its people!

** Mark 4: 24 “And he said to them, “Take heed what you hear; the measure you give will be the measure you get, and still more will be given you. 25 For to him who has will more be given; and from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.”*

As an IPRC my opinion of Islam is objective and specific. Those who follow their faith which too is founded on love, are loved in return.

Those who have not yet learned that hatred, insist on war and aquisation by force, do so in GRAVE error, and in opposition to The Prophet.

Sadly they have not learned the error of their ways either by the early RCC, or their own history. Still Catholics are taught to HATE the sin, but love the sinner, and that is what we try to, with our God’s help, to do. ***

Pax!

Love and prayers,

 

[LutheranDK]

Assalam,
Actually Spain WAS taken over by the sword. Thank you for your support but you also need to check your facts.
who is charles martel btw?

wasalam

And YOU need to learn how to identify the marvellous thing called “irony”.
I was being sarcastic, imitating the “It’s all the West’s fault!” that many muslims show.

Charles Martel was the commander of a (primarily Frankish) army, that halted the advance of the muslim invaders, trying to penetrate into France from the south, from occupied Spain.

 

[LutheranDK]

Assalam,
Actually you are wrong there as well. The trinity is monotheistic with the father, the son and the holy spirit. It is not two separate gods from God rather a trinity to form one. A bit hard to explain this to some people…

wasalam

I KNOW WHAT THE TRINITY IS!!! I believe it!!!
It is the koran that has a false idea of what the Trinity is, which was the point I was making: That being the case, the koran cannot be from God, since God would know what this doctrine was about, and know that:

1: Jesus is not seen as “another god” besides God
2: Mary is NOT seen as a god/ess - and not part of the Trinity.
As I said - it makes sense for an illiterate Arabic merchant to have those misconceptions. But not for God.

 

[LutheranDK]

Viva Mr. Martel!!!

Amen! May the memory of him and his army never be forgotten, and always honored. Europe, and therefore: the World, owes them a debt that can never be repaid.

 

[LutheranDK]

It’s been said by many Muslims and Islam apologists that Islam was in a “Golden Age” when Europe was “wallowing” in the Dark Ages. If that is so, pray tell us why Islamic societies today are not 500 years ahead of Christian ones.

It IS true, that while Europe suffered the long-lasting consequences of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, the Dark Ages, the Islamic world experienced a golden age of science, arts, litterature, etc. There’s no point in denying that, because that would be to deny the facts.

However; the reason Islamic societies are not “500 years ahead of Christian ones” is, that the culture of the Arabic world never evolved, and has, in many senses, actually DEVOLVED since then.

 

[LutheranDK]

**Agabriel, you have made your post intentionally long so that we Muslims cannot reply to every point. So I will cut-off most of your post or reply to you in installments.
**.

LOL!
Are you saying muslims can’t read, or are too stupid to read long posts?

You just did what not even Geert Wilders has done.

 

[planten]

I KNOW WHAT THE TRINITY IS!!! I believe it!!!
It is the koran that has a false idea of what the Trinity is, which was the point I was making: That being the case, the koran cannot be from God, since God would know what this doctrine was about, and know that:

1: Jesus is not seen as “another god” besides God
2: Mary is NOT seen as a god/ess - and not part of the Trinity.
As I said - it makes sense for an illiterate Arabic merchant to have those misconceptions. But not for God.

** LutheranDK, perhaps you do not understand the mistake which brought about Trinity. Trinity has been derived from some verse of the bible, from just one verse. Could it be possible that such an important issue could hang on just one verse in the whole bible (gospels) ?? It is not fair. To diverge on a very important issue against the Jewish teachings, the matter cannot rest on just one verse in which Jesus said: “Go and preach to all nations in the name of the Father, the son and the holy ghost.” It is totally wrong to derive Trinity from that verse.

I hope the Church has not got any other verse in the gospels to support Trinity. If there is any then same may please be presented.
. That verse is not wrong, even though it is doubtful. I take it as (similar to) our Kalimah: “There is no God except Allah and Muhammad is a messenger of Allah.” In this statement, the name of Muhammad is permanently attached with the name of God. It can never be separated.

The purpose of the Kalimah is to proclaim that there is Only One God. Also, that this news is given by Muhammad. That Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. He is not God. He is only a messenger. That would protect all Muslims from paganism. Muslims will not make a god out of Muhammad.

It was same with Jesus. He was just a man like other men. He was a chosen one and a messenger to the Jews from Allah. He got messages care of the Holy Spirit. That holy spirit was only a holy spirit, a creature created by The God. So niether Jesus nor the holy spirit are gods. Yet they have their superior status. When preaching, Jesus advised his disciples to preach in the name of God and also mention his name and also mention about the holy spirit. People may ask the source of their preaching, they should say that the teachings are from God (Father) through Jesus and holy spirit.

It did not mean that Jesus and holy spirit were gods besides the Father. Surely not. It was wrong to make god out of those two persons. Then they (church) felt the problem of paganism and they had to run back to Unitarian faith to avoid further complications. So they said that God is One. All three are in One. There was no need for any such trouble.

If Jesus is a God and the holy spirit is also a god then why the church has to run back to say that God is one only. The church created complications for itself and then tried to remedy the problems by more complications. We Muslims do not have any complication. We can believe in Jesus as a messenger of God just like all other messengers before him.
**

 

[Agabriel]

LOL!
Are you saying muslims can’t read, or are too stupid to read long posts?

You just did what not even Geert Wilders has done.

Geert Wilders is one of my heros. A lone person trying to face evil and in the face of great odds, here in the USA, the UK and his own home country. We are caving in to their demands/threats all over the place.

A conference was shut down due to Muslim threats in our own lands. Geert Wilders was to speak.

We are getting even more violence of Muslims on a Jihad in our own country.

Christians oppressed in Dearborn, Mi. At least the TMLC is taking up their cause.

Allah tells a guy to bomb the Yale power plant - plus other crimes he committed. The problem with this is they are behaving as if this guy is a nut. If our own would crack open a Quran they would realize Muhammed blamed a lot of their killings on Allah’s will.

 

[planten]

It IS true, that while Europe suffered the long-lasting consequences of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, the Dark Ages, the Islamic world experienced a golden age of science, arts, litterature, etc. There’s no point in denying that, because that would be to deny the facts.

However; the reason Islamic societies are not “500 years ahead of Christian ones” is, that the culture of the Arabic world never evolved, and has, in many senses, actually DEVOLVED since then.

**LDK, that is right. Internal political conflicts destabilised the Msulims. They were partly misled by their religious leaders too. They stopped studying the science. The west was given much by the Arabs and Muslims. But later, all advancement was done by the west.

There were many capable persons in the west who investigated deeply into mathematics and other sciences. So we see the result of their good work today. Muslims do not have any share in the advancement of science today. The misled religious leaders spoiled the show completely by telling the Muslims to take on the world by use of arms. That was a foolish lesson.

And it was totally against Islam and that was all against the teaching of the Quran. Present day Muslims do not have one major defect. There are many msitakes. Could be more than 20 major defects in their understanding of Islam. Ignorant, illetrate Mullas have been giving wrong lessons to the Muslim masses, inciting them to violence. In that way, the Msulims in nearly all countries have wasted away a good half a century. They could not serve the world with anything useful. So they have to suffer, as they are suffering now**.

 

[dolphinlove]

** LutheranDK, perhaps you do not understand the mistake which brought about Trinity. Trinity has been derived from some verse of the bible, from just one verse. Could it be possible that such an important issue could hang on just one verse in the whole bible (gospels) ?? It is not fair. To diverge on a very important issue against the Jewish teachings, the matter cannot rest on just one verse in which Jesus said: “Go and preach to all nations in the name of the Father, the son and the holy ghost.” It is totally wrong to derive Trinity from that verse.

I hope the Church has not got any other verse in the gospels to support Trinity. If there is any then same may please be presented.
. That verse is not wrong, even though it is doubtful. I take it as (similar to) our Kalimah: “There is no God except Allah and Muhammad is a messenger of Allah.” In this statement, the name of Muhammad is permanently attached with the name of God. It can never be separated.

The purpose of the Kalimah is to proclaim that there is Only One God. Also, that this news is given by Muhammad. That Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. He is not God. He is only a messenger. That would protect all Muslims from paganism. Muslims will not make a god out of Muhammad.

It was same with Jesus. He was just a man like other men. He was a chosen one and a messenger to the Jews from Allah. He got messages care of the Holy Spirit. That holy spirit was only a holy spirit, a creature created by The God. So niether Jesus nor the holy spirit are gods. Yet they have their superior status. When preaching, Jesus advised his disciples to preach in the name of God and also mention his name and also mention about the holy spirit. People may ask the source of their preaching, they should say that the teachings are from God (Father) through Jesus and holy spirit.

It did not mean that Jesus and holy spirit were gods besides the Father. Surely not. It was wrong to make god out of those two persons. Then they (church) felt the problem of paganism and they had to run back to Unitarian faith to avoid further complications. So they said that God is One. All three are in One. There was no need for any such trouble.

If Jesus is a God and the holy spirit is also a god then why the church has to run back to say that God is one only. The church created complications for itself and then tried to remedy the problems by more complications. We Muslims do not have any complication. We can believe in Jesus as a messenger of God just like all other messengers before him.
**

You hypocrite! You have been bantering on saying posts are too long to answer, what do you call this! Planten, this just goes to prove you dont have the answers, just throw your hands in the air and give up, you have just proven to us that islam is incapable of answering questions.

 

[planten]

LOL!
Are you saying muslims can’t read, or are too stupid to read long posts?

You just did what not even Geert Wilders has done.

**Lutheran, are you aware that a post cannot be greater than a set size. If your friend intentionally sends a long post, it means that the Muslims cannot quote that post and reply. There is hardly any room for more lines in reply. Please check up and do not run to any Wilder who is a great sinner. But perhaps you will bypass the bad works of that Wilder because you yourself are a sinner.

The beliefs of the christians are quite funny and enjoyable**.

 

[planten]

You hypocrite! You have been bantering on saying posts are too long to answer, what do you call this! Planten, this just goes to prove you dont have the answers, just throw your hands in the air and give up, you have just proven to us that islam is incapable of answering questions.

D i L, I had given you a very good reply about your Trinity which is not in the Torah or bibleNT or Quran. It is nowhere. It is your self made invention. If you had any proof for the Trinity in bibleNT then you would have posted it. But you did not do that. So it is proved that there is no such thing as Trinity.

 

[elwill]

You hypocrite! You have been bantering on saying posts are too long to answer, what do you call this! Planten, this just goes to prove you dont have the answers, just throw your hands in the air and give up, you have just proven to us that islam is incapable of answering questions.

which question he didn’t answered , dolphinlove
i think he answered all of your questions perfectly , yet when he ask you about verses which support the main faith of your religion , you call him hypocrite instead of refuting him , who have just throw his hands in the air now

 

[dolphinlove]

D i L, I had given you a very good reply about your Trinity which is not in the Torah or bibleNT or Quran. It is nowhere. It is your self made invention. If you had any proof for the Trinity in bibleNT then you would have posted it. But you did not do that. So it is proved that there is no such thing as Trinity.

we have answered your questions time and time again, but you dont read them. How many times do we have to repeat things before you acknowledge them?
We even started a specific thread on the trinity a while ago for muslims to understand, did you read any of it?

 

[dolphinlove]

which question he didn’t answered , dolphinlove
i think he answered all of your questions perfectly , yet when he ask you about verses which support the main faith of your religion , you call him hypocrite instead of refuting him , who have just throw his hands in the air now

we have been through this time and time again with planten elwill, we have posted it many times, he just refuses to read it.
Also, if you read his post, he is basically telling us to pick and choose from our scripture, that one line in the whole bible couldnt possibly have such a big meaning etc. We listen to EVERYTHING, and i mean EVERYTHING that Jesus taught us, we dont pick and choose what we like and what we think is relevant. Planten is telling us to do this:
LutheranDK, perhaps you do not understand the mistake which brought about Trinity. Trinity has been derived from some verse of the bible, from just one verse. Could it be possible that such an important issue could hang on just one verse in the whole bible (gospels) ?? It is not fair. To diverge on a very important issue against the Jewish teachings, the matter cannot rest on just one verse in which Jesus said: “Go and preach to all nations in the name of the Father, the son and the holy ghost.” It is totally wrong to derive Trinity from that verse.

We pay attention to all details in the bible, we dont pick and choose what we think is right for our benefit, like planten is doing here, asking us to ignore one verse. We only need to be told things once in the bible, but because it is only mentioned once, planten tries and claims because it is only one line, its not good enough. The problem is, the trinity IS in the bible, and planten cant handle this as proof. If someone was to go up and read it to him slowly, i doubt if he would get it.
What planten is asking is blantantly unreasonable and foolish, the proof was there that LutheranDK showed.

 

[elwill]

we have been through this time and time again with planten elwill, we have posted it many times, he just refuses to read it.
Also, if you read his post, he is basically telling us to pick and choose from our scripture, that one line in the whole bible couldnt possibly have such a big meaning etc. We listen to EVERYTHING, and i mean EVERYTHING that Jesus taught us, we dont pick and choose what we like and what we think is relevant. Planten is telling us to do this:
LutheranDK, perhaps you do not understand the mistake which brought about Trinity. Trinity has been derived from some verse of the bible, from just one verse. Could it be possible that such an important issue could hang on just one verse in the whole bible (gospels) ?? It is not fair. To diverge on a very important issue against the Jewish teachings, the matter cannot rest on just one verse in which Jesus said: “Go and preach to all nations in the name of the Father, the son and the holy ghost.” It is totally wrong to derive Trinity from that verse.

We pay attention to all details in the bible, we dont pick and choose what we think is right for our benefit, like planten is doing here, asking us to ignore one verse. We only need to be told things once in the bible, but because it is only mentioned once, planten tries and claims because it is only one line, its not good enough. The problem is, the trinity IS in the bible, and planten cant handle this as proof. If someone was to go up and read it to him slowly, i doubt if he would get it.
What planten is asking is blantantly unreasonable and foolish, the proof was there that LutheranDK showed.

let me emphasize on the view of planten then about the only verse talking about trinity

Go and preach to all nations in the name of the Father, the son and the holy ghost."

just compare this statement with mine

" Go preach to all nations in the name of allah , mohammed and the angel "
is that statment means that allah and mohammed and the angel are all one God ?
nooooooo, it means preach it in the name of God , his prophet and jebril

i think that the problem of planten that he can’t see this verse in the bible supporting the concept of trinity that christians have as to be main belief in thier religion , so he asked you about other verses support your view about nature of God

beside the existence of this verse within only one Gospel , proof that it was important according to just john , it wasn’t important to be mentioned in luke or mathew or other Gospeles !!!

 

[antinwo]

Planten, you are mistaken. The willingness to speak truth is not equivalent to hatred, it is in fact an act of love. If I hated Muslims, I would desire damnation for them, and leave them to wallow in the misery of Mohammedanism.

Rather, the Lord Jesus demanded we love. He commanded that we love even our enemies, which includes the descendants of the heretical sect of Mohammed which consistently attempted to enslave, rape and extinguish the entirety of Christendom. Yes, Islam is nothing more than an ancient Christian heresy, the most successful in history.

It is out of love that I tell you the truth, not hatred. May God have mercy on the soul of the heresiarch Mohammed, and all who have been seduced by his lies.

That is why christians,muslims and jews should unite against the nwo so everybody listen to Alex Jones.infowars.com

 

[planten]

**D i L, you have given two posts. But you have not given any verse of the bible to support Trinity. Remember I had given one verse which may be supporting Trinity. If there was any other verse then you should have told us. But you did not do it and you are saying that you have discussed it before. that is the usual way for the Catholics to by-pass a difficult situation. You have never brought forth any proof of your trinity i.e. Three gods (in One).

We all know you have three gods. But then considering the bombardment from the Jewish faith and the Muslims, you run back to One God too. Is it not your falsehood. having One God and at the same time three gods too??.

Similarly, you have got multi-role for Jesus as a perfect man and a Perfect God. But we see that he was not a perfect man and also not even an imperfect god. Why have dual roles to cover up the various fallacies.???

I hope, in your next post you will help us Muslims with your views about Trinity from the 4Gospels. If you do not write anything then good-bye to your Trinity.**