Why do you hate Islam?

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pismopal said:
You have said it and you know yourself I’m guessin’.
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hehe I just wanted an excuse to use that funny smiley…

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Well, I have already read this, at least in two books, the Saudi connection with al Qaeda. (The Revenge of the Prophet, and ‘The Link, The Secret Relationship between Saddam and Al Qaida’
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Here is an article showing us a stark example of Muslim charities going to Al Qaeda from the land of Mecca - Saudi Arabia and the Prince’s dark ties. Page 1 goes into the Muslim charities going to support Al Qaeda.

I seem to remember a telethon collecting Muslim charity on TV that a few of the Princes were conducting shortly after 9/11. Sort of makes a mockery out of Jerry Lewis! And we should never forget all the Muslim charities that were shut down after 9/11.

Today I was watching a ‘CIA Confidential’ program about Pakistan and it said that some Saudi Princes ‘fingerprints’ (docs and other things with the Prince’s name and dealings) were found on some laptops in Pakistan after they captured a key Al Qaeda person (I cannot remember his name), and the Princes were dead within a short time under mysterious circumstances and ‘accidents’.
 
peary said:
As I said before, I do not hate Islam. I am alarmed and concerned over the radical and fundamentalist Wahabi movement within Islam which has resulted in Islamic Fascism. Since this religious movement threatens fundamental liberties of all human beings because of its beliefs and destructive attacks, it needs to be dealt with for its eradication.
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Peary, your this para is alright provided you do not agree to any sort of terrorism, Terrorism of other faiths, other than islam should also be condemned. So far so good.
I would have no interest in Islam because I believe that it is an incomplete religion; it does not possess the full truth of Faith as revealed by Jesus Christ. There seems to be a master/slave mentality in relationship between God and worshipper in Islam, which is archaic. Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin - a covenant between God ourselves, and between ourselves here on earth. Because we have a personal relationship with God in this way, we also have a communal relationship in the same way with each other through His Church.
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**This para shows lack of knowledge about Islam and christainity. What personal relation do you have with God?. Almost NIL. You say " Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin ". Take the case of the mistake of Adam and Eve which you call sin. We Muslims believe that Adam and Eve repented and Allah forgave them. Do you believe that God can forgive the sins without putting his son (Jesus) on the Cross? If you do not believe that (As I know you do not believe that God can forgive sins) then where is your “Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin ??”

I hope you will think over some things please.**
 
GraceDK said:
Zaki.
What is it that you deny?
the whole world knows that Christians are treated horribly in Muslim Pakistan. Many poor Christian men are forced into Koran schools where they are threatened: “go to jihad or we kill your family”. And many girls have been raped by islamists. I even read the report of a 14 year old who was gang raped by islamists while her parents were forced to watch it. IMAGINE THAT, if you have any compassion in you. Her family was the only Christian one in that town. When the islamists found that out, they decided to gang rape the young girl in order that she and her family would DESPAIR.
Oh… and Jesus has a word for people like these. They might think they are going to eternal haram with virgins… but they are going someplace much hotter.
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GraceDK, we do not know about that horrible report. But rest assured that the culprits were not Muslims and islam doe snot teach such bad things. So will you kindly forget that matter and do not connect it with islam. Let us hear you. We do not support such bad people. They are guilty of the crime and according to Islam, they should be flogged or killed. What else do you want??
 
pismopal said:
One could be from Mars and with nothing other than eyes,ears and a command of languages, quickly determine that islam and it’s more determined adherants, are poison to the human race. This is not meant to be insulting, it is meant to be succinct and truthful. Just read what muslims say here and square that with the actual events in the world…not just the middle east…the world.😦
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** pismopal, it is not only the Muslims are spoiled today. The christians are not far behind. Their sins are of different kind to that of Muslims. But still, please have a look at the amount of drinking and gambling free *ucking going on in christian majority countries. Is that not bad? Look inside your self and your people too. There is no marriage.

The Catholics do not marry until they produce a child first. Do you feel that was the teaching of Mary and Jesus? I hope not**.
 
just remembered - Ahamediyyas are not considered as muslims here where I live.Sunni Muslims yawn or spread posters written “Shia-kkal Kaafir”,“Ahmediyyar Kaafir” etc.Heck ,the Prayer Hall of Ahmediyyas are located at a remote centre away from the town where I am living.Too much for the peaceful religion.it predates its own peple.:rolleyes:
 
HickmanJosh said:
i am not defending Islam. I am not here to defend Islam i am hear because Hate is evil and must be stamped out. Yes i am worried at what i saw in your video and it concerns me but as i have said before, HATE IS EVIL, It is part of Satan and he is evil. Sure we have to show the world the truth, but hating thouse ho oppose us is not going to save anyone.

We must be messengers of Truth and peace, not Hate.

Be at peace.

HickmanJosh
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HMJ, You are right and I believe you. That is what I have been saying. Believe what you like but do not attack others faith. “Love for All, Hatred for None” if agreed could solve the problems.
 
planten said:
Peary, your this para is alright provided you do not agree to any sort of terrorism, Terrorism of other faiths, other than islam should also be condemned. So far so good.
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so you are saying in thei paragraph all other faiths who commit terrorism should be condemned, but its ok for islam to commit terrorism? Ok, now i see. So you do support terrorism then planten?
This para shows lack of knowledge about Islam and christainity. What personal relation do you have with God?. Almost NIL. You say " Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin ". Take the case of the mistake of Adam and Eve which you call sin. We Muslims believe that Adam and Eve repented and Allah forgave them. Do you believe that God can forgive the sins without putting his son (Jesus) on the Cross? If you do not believe that (As I know you do not believe that God can forgive sins) then where is your “Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin ??”
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I hope you will think over some things please.
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Im not going to explain anything to you, because no matter how many times we do, you dont bother to read them, but i will correct your errors.
In Christianity, yes we do believe in the forgiveness of sin, and yes, we have a very loving and close relationship with God. In islam, its potrayed as a master/slave relationship.
Planten, most things you write these days are fruitless and baseless. There is no facts that you bring and everything you write sounds like its something out of the wizard of oz. Now do us all a favour, learn and relearn things before you go and accuse us of your false allergations.
 
planten said:
**This para shows lack of knowledge about Islam and christainity. What personal relation do you have with God?. Almost NIL. You say " Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin ". Take the case of the mistake of Adam and Eve which you call sin. We Muslims believe that Adam and Eve repented and Allah forgave them. Do you believe that God can forgive the sins without putting his son (Jesus) on the Cross? If you do not believe that (As I know you do not believe that God can forgive sins) then where is your “Authentic Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sin ??”

I hope you will think over some things please.**
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 He can forgive sins without putting Jesus on the cross (He is God after all) but is there really any better way to demonstrate his love for us? He wanted to forgive our sins and let people enter into haven, he could do that anyway but he  wanted to make a kind of demonstration of just what He was willing to go through in order to Help us.
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planten:
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HMJ, You are right and I believe you. That is what I have been saying. Believe what you like but do not attack others faith. “Love for All, Hatred for None” if agreed could solve the problems.
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Indeed, no matter what some online dictionary says i will still find hate evil and despicable, politically correct or not.
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planten:
The christians are not far behind. Their sins are of different kind to that of Muslims.
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To what sins are you referring to?
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planten:
The Catholics do not marry until they produce a child first. Do you feel that was the teaching of Mary and Jesus? I hope not.
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This is most definitely not a teaching of the RCC. Chastity right up till the wedding day. ANY sex before then is adultery. If a marriage is made because of a pregnancy than it is invalid. A marriage for any other reason than true love is a fraud. (I have had this pounded into my head the past 10 months;))
HickmanJosh
 
HickmanJosh said:
Ok im guna go with what the catholic encyclopedia says. …
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Fine. There, now you see? Something we can discuss. I agree with it, but I also agree with Dr Radhasyam Brahmachari:
“The behavioral pattern of Allah, as reflected in the Koran, reveals him as a partisan deity, similar to a Mafia don or the leader of a criminal gang, who seeks to gain control over the entire world to establish himself as its sole ruler through bloodshed and terror.”
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Paraphrasing one infamous Mafia leader: “You can get more with a 🙂 and a sword than you can with just a :).” Mohammed beat Al Capone by 1,400 years.
 
HickmanJosh said:
He can forgive sins without putting Jesus on the cross (He is God after all) but is there really any better way to demonstrate his love for us? He wanted to forgive our sins and let people enter into haven, he could do that anyway but he wanted to make a kind of demonstration of just what He was willing to go through in order to Help us.
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I agree to some extent but find your words too simplistic if not masochistic. Its not a hobby of God to let His Son die on the cross. Its written in the Old Testament that there can be no atonement of sin without bloodsacrifice. This is crucial. Simplistic and illogical statements take place when people dont know the Old Covenant law and how Christ came as it’s fulfillment. I am noy saying you are ignorant… only that the explanation really, taken alone, would indicate something rather absurd.
The final and all-encompassing blood-sacrifice is Jesus the Messiah on the Cross. His blood saves and fulfills the law, and washes away the guilt of sin for these broken laws… we are all law breakers in the eyes of God.
In order to lift mankind up with Him, God came in flesh… stepping down and then up…
It’s all quite litterally.

Peace
 
GraceDK said:
I agree to some extent but find your words too simplistic if not masochistic. Its not a hobby of God to let His Son die on the cross. Its written in the Old Testament that there can be no atonement of sin without bloodsacrifice. This is crucial. Simplistic and illogical statements take place when people dont know the Old Covenant law and how Christ came as it’s fulfillment. I am noy saying you are ignorant… only that the explanation really, taken alone, would indicate something rather absurd.
The final and all-encompassing blood-sacrifice is Jesus the Messiah on the Cross. His blood saves and fulfills the law, and washes away the guilt of sin for these broken laws… we are all law breakers in the eyes of God.
In order to lift mankind up with Him, God came in flesh… stepping down and then up…
It’s all quite litterally.

Peace
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I thought this thread was supposed to be about Islam.
 
planten said:
**GraceDK, we do not know about that horrible report. But rest assured that the culprits were not Muslims and islam doe snot teach such bad things.
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How about this report:
On the pessimistic side of the equation, concern begins with the Koran itself. In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence. There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages. I will return to the problems of Koranic interpretation later in this paper, but in coming to an appreciation of the true meaning of jihad, for example, it is important to bear in mind what the scholars tell us about the difference between the suras (or chapters) of the Koran written during Muhammad’s thirteen years in Mecca, and those that were written after he had based himself at Medina. Irenic interpretations of the Koran typically draw heavily on the suras written in Mecca, when Muhammad was without military power and still hoped to win people, including Christians and Jews, to his revelation through preaching and religious activity. After emigrating to Medina, Muhammad formed an alliance with two Yemeni tribes and the spread of Islam through conquest and coercion began. One calculation is that Muhammad engaged in 78 battles, only one of which, the Battle of the Ditch, was defensive. The suras from the Medina period reflect this decisive change and are often held to abrogate suras from the Meccan period.
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The predominant grammatical form in which jihad is used in the Koran carries the sense of fighting or waging war. A different form of the verb in Arabic means “striving” or “struggling”, and English translations sometimes use this form as a way of euphemistically rendering the Koran’s incitements to war against unbelievers. But in any case, the so-called “verses of the sword” (sura 95 and 936), coming as they do in what scholars generally believe to be one of the last suras revealed to Muhammad, are taken to abrogate a large number of earlier verses on the subject (over 140, according to one radical website). The suggestion that jihad is primarily a matter of spiritual striving is also contemptuously rejected by some Islamic writers on the subject. One writer warns that “the temptation to reinterpret both text and history to suit ‘politically correct’ requirements is the first trap to be avoided”, before going on to complain that “there are some Muslims today, for instance, who will convert jihad into a holy bath rather than a holy war, as if it is nothing more than an injunction to cleanse yourself from within”.
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Factual errors, inconsistencies, anachronisms, and other defects in the Koran are difficult for Muslims to debate openly.
– Cardinal George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, Australia. virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3980
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What else do you want??
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How about a little honesty for starters? You might begin by admitting and apologizing for Islam’s invasion of Christian lands since the death of Mohammed.
 
sedonaman said:
How about this report:

How about a little honesty for starters? You might begin by admitting and apologizing for Islam’s invasion of Christian lands since the death of Mohammed.
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**Sedonaman, there was no invasion from Muslims. It was your Roman Catholics who pressurised the Roman emperor Caesor to attack the Muslims. Muslims were very weak and not in any position to attack any one. So, you asked for it. That is a fact of history.

I wish that you do not distort history as you have distorted parts of your bibleNT. You are accusing the early Muslims of attacks.**
 
sedonaman said:
I thought this thread was supposed to be about Islam.
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Actually yes… but not only about Islam. The crucial point is that we have discussion openly with Muslims and with each other.
Since I felt that your explanation to the Muslim question was insufficient I elaborated the answer. I did this directed aimed at your post but mainly out of charity for the Muslims.
The Christian answer is better, meaning, its wider than what you gave.
I wrote with no desire to offend you. Rather I had hoped you would say: “yes, certainly. I should have elaborated more on salvation history, thanks for adding important information”. that would have been more humble.

Peace.
 
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