Why do you hate Islam?

[sedonaman]

Yeah same here! Don’t you hate it when people babble when they should be insulting islam???

When we quote Islamic texts, we are hate-filled bigots, and Islam apologists are a beacon of goodness. Lies are good. Truth is bigotry. Those who argue the facts from Islamic doctrine and history are bad people who contradict “nice” people. In political correctness, facts must submit to feelings. Ignorance has become not just the moral high ground, but the only moral ground. Those who quote the Koran, Sira, and Hadith should be maligned, and no discussions of the facts should be allowed, because knowing all the facts is bigotry. – Warner, “Refuting Counter-Terrorism Dhimmitude”

 

[planten]

He can forgive sins without putting Jesus on the cross (He is God after all) but is there really any better way to demonstrate his love for us? He wanted to forgive our sins and let people enter into haven, he could do that anyway but he wanted to make a kind of demonstration of just what He was willing to go through in order to Help us.

**I also believe that God can forgive sins anyhow. But church teaches that He cannot forgive sins. That is why He put His son (Jesus) on the cross to atone for the sins of others.

There was no need of any demonstration. There was no demonstration of any love in putting up an innocent man (Jesus) on the cross for the sins of others. Jesus suffered very much on the cross, so much that he shouted loudly, "O My God, O My God, why have you forsaken me??**

Indeed, no matter what some online dictionary says i will still find hate evil and despicable, politically correct or not

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That is right, if I understand you. Men do bad things and blame goes to religion.

To what sins are you referring to?

** I was referreing to drinking and gambling dens and other ultra-sex activities in various parts of the world. To me they are sins whether done by Jews or Christians or Muslims or Hindus.

Those bad activities spoil the joy of peaceful life…**

This is most definitely not a teaching of the RCC. Chastity right up till the wedding day. ANY sex before then is adultery. If a marriage is made because of a pregnancy than it is invalid. A marriage for any other reason than true love is a fraud. (I have had this pounded into my head the past 10 months)

HickmanJosh

**That is correct. Any sex before marriage is a sin. I had been in the christian society and met quite a few people. I learnt that there was no need for marriage. In France I found that if any lady became pregnant, nobody would ask the father’s name. She would get one year paid leave from work.

Also I noticed that the christians, because of the problem of no-divorce, they did not marry but kept on their activity until the lady became pregnant. If there was no pregnancy then they would separate and find a new partner.

But if the lady concieved then they would be happy to get married.

I know this is not the teaching of the church or Catholic faith. I met some of the very pious beautiful ladies too. It is not the church teaching to misbehave. So people are doing wrong. They are commiting sin in large numbers daily against the church teaching.

That is the problem. There is no killing of any innocent person in islam. The killing which is ordered or compulsory is of the opponents of all faiths, the hostile disbelievers who are bent on killing the truth. They are called Kaafir in Arabic.

there were Kaafir in the time of Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. Moses dealt with them and so did Muhammad. jesus could not do anything being under Roman rule. He did not have enough time to do anything against the enemies. The enemies got him caught very quickly and tried to kill him on the cross.**

 

[ZAKI]

When we quote Islamic texts, we are hate-filled bigots, and Islam apologists are a beacon of goodness. Lies are good. Truth is bigotry. Those who argue the facts from Islamic doctrine and history are bad people who contradict “nice” people. In political correctness, facts must submit to feelings. Ignorance has become not just the moral high ground, but the only moral ground. Those who quote the Koran, Sira, and Hadith should be maligned, and no discussions of the facts should be allowed, because knowing all the facts is bigotry. – Warner, “Refuting Counter-Terrorism Dhimmitude”

sorry mate but this thread is called: why do you hate islam
it isnt on islam on general…savvy?

wasalam

 

[pismopal]

hehe I just wanted an excuse to use that funny smiley…

check these out as well: :jrbirdman: :choocho: :takeoff: :slapfight: :christmastree1::manvspc: :ballspin: :irish3: (i got the last one as well bcz it is irish!)

wasalam

Yep…credit where due…they are amusing.

 

[sedonaman]

**Sedonaman, there was no invasion from Muslims. It was your Roman Catholics who pressurised the Roman emperor Caesor to attack the Muslims. Muslims were very weak and not in any position to attack any one. So, you asked for it. That is a fact of history.

I wish that you do not distort history as you have distorted parts of your bibleNT. You are accusing the early Muslims of attacks.**

How stupid of me. I forgot that Muslims were merely minding their own business when “my” “Roman Catholics who pressurised the Roman emperor Caesor to attack the Muslims.”

The problem with this assertion is that the “business” of Islam, first and foremost, is to conquer the world, and any resistance to this absurd goal is an “attack” against Islam. All Muslim statements reflect this notion, hence the necessity for the fabrication of a fictional “attack” on Muslims by the “King Kaisar of Rome.” Cardinal Pell was right when he said, “Factual errors, inconsistencies, anachronisms, and other defects in the Koran [and history] are difficult for Muslims to debate openly.”

 

[GraceDK]

**That is correct. Any sex before marriage is a sin. I had been in the christian society and met quite a few people. I learnt that there was no need for marriage. In France I found that if any lady became pregnant, nobody would ask the father’s name. She would get one year paid leave from work.

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And I noticed in Muslim Palestine how young Muslim men fornicated very much before marriage, cheated on their girl friends and the married ones flirted wherever they could, adultery was widespread and polygamy was allowed and practiced. Some of them openly went to prostitutes…
Where are the babies from these sinful unions? I guess they are dead in abortion. In Europe also many babies are killed in abortion. But here we dont hide our sins as much as you do in Muslim culture, pretending you are sinless.

At the same time Muslim women were stigmatised if they only so much as spoke to a man.

I saw all these horrible things much more than I ever saw in my European culture. When I had lived in Palestine for a while I noticed that I started to view every muslim man with suspicion because I had seen so much foul behaviour from their part. I learned that very few could be trusted at all and they all were at war with each other too it seemed.
I had no wish to view them like that. but after I was even threatened by some psychopath and severel of my friends were robbed at knife point and harrassed also sexually, it has become difficult for me.

To me it appears that hypocrisy is the biggest illness in Muslim societies… that, and lack of sense of proportion.

Dont teach Christians about sexual impurity. You have a looong way to go before you are worthy to do that… first you start by distancing yourself from that phedofile prophet of yours. Once you do that and you and your brothers start to live a pure life without hatred, supression of women and without sexual vices such as polygamy and fornication, then you can come and teach us.

Go take a hard long look in a mirror.

 

[ZAKI]

And I noticed in Muslim Palestine how young Muslim men fornicated very much before marriage, cheated on their girl friends and the married ones flirted wherever they could, adultery was widespread and polygamy was allowed and practiced. Some of them openly went to prostitutes…
Where are the babies from these sinful unions? I guess they are dead in abortion. In Europe also many babies are killed in abortion. But here we dont hide our sins as much as you do in Muslim culture, pretending you are sinless.

At the same time Muslim women were stigmatised if they only so much as spoke to a man.

I saw all these horrible things much more than I ever saw in my European culture. When I had lived in Palestine for a while I noticed that I started to view every muslim man with suspicion because I had seen so much foul behaviour from their part. I learned that very few could be trusted at all and they all were at war with each other too it seemed.
I had no wish to view them like that. but after I was even threatened by some psychopath and severel of my friends were robbed at knife point and harrassed also sexually, it has become difficult for me.

To me it appears that hypocrisy is the biggest illness in Muslim societies… that, and lack of sense of proportion.

Dont teach Christians about sexual impurity. You have a looong way to go before you are worthy to do that… first you start by distancing yourself from that phedofile prophet of yours. Once you do that and you and your brothers start to live a pure life without hatred, supression of women and without sexual vices such as polygamy and fornication, then you can come and teach us.

Go take a hard long look in a mirror.

Yes while quite alot of the palestinian youth are weak in faith (including the christian ones), most wouldn’t do what you have described above (trust me i know—my dad’s palestinian).

wasalam

 

[sedonaman]

sorry mate but this thread is called: why do you hate islam
it isnt on islam on general…savvy?

So? My comment, “ was in response to

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whose comment had nothing at all to do with Islam, much less “why do you hate Islam?” You have only re-enforced this point. Besides, when you come to a thread entitled, “why do you hate Islam?”, do you expect to read only praises of Islam ? Couple that with the notion that even an honest critical analysis of Islam is considered “bashing” it [and/or Mohammed], what other category of discussion is left?

 

[sedonaman]

And I noticed in Muslim Palestine how young Muslim men fornicated very much before marriage, cheated on their girl friends and the married ones flirted wherever they could, adultery was widespread and polygamy was allowed and practiced. Some of them openly went to prostitutes…
Where are the babies from these sinful unions? I guess they are dead in abortion. In Europe also many babies are killed in abortion. But here we dont hide our sins as much as you do in Muslim culture, pretending you are sinless.

At the same time Muslim women were stigmatised if they only so much as spoke to a man.

I saw all these horrible things much more than I ever saw in my European culture. When I had lived in Palestine for a while I noticed that I started to view every muslim man with suspicion because I had seen so much foul behaviour from their part. I learned that very few could be trusted at all and they all were at war with each other too it seemed.
I had no wish to view them like that. but after I was even threatened by some psychopath and severel of my friends were robbed at knife point and harrassed also sexually, it has become difficult for me.

To me it appears that hypocrisy is the biggest illness in Muslim societies… that, and lack of sense of proportion.

Dont teach Christians about sexual impurity. You have a looong way to go before you are worthy to do that… first you start by distancing yourself from that phedofile prophet of yours. Once you do that and you and your brothers start to live a pure life without hatred, supression of women and without sexual vices such as polygamy and fornication, then you can come and teach us.

Go take a hard long look in a mirror.

 

[Agabriel]

How stupid of me. I forgot that Muslims were merely minding their own business when “my” “Roman Catholics who pressurised the Roman emperor Caesor to attack the Muslims.”

The problem with this assertion is that the “business” of Islam, first and foremost, is to conquer the world, and any resistance to this absurd goal is an “attack” against Islam. All Muslim statements reflect this notion, hence the necessity for the fabrication of a fictional “attack” on Muslims by the “King Kaisar of Rome.” Cardinal Pell was right when he said, “Factual errors, inconsistencies, anachronisms, and other defects in the Koran [and history] are difficult for Muslims to debate openly.”

They cannot apologize. They cannot recognize the bloody aggression against anyone. They just cannot.

And it is all because it is all for Allah. It is Allah’s fault the Muslims go out and kill, rape, enslave, steal. It is opening up the world to Islam. You know, converting everyone to Islam. How can they apologize for that?

And you know, the usual victimization, we cannot forget that. It was the poor, little Muslims doing the killing for Allah and if they were met with resistance it was the infidels fault for that! Not the Muslim men, and women (I don’t look at the women as being innocent because we see too often their support in today’s societies).

Killing for Allah is a ‘good deed’! How can they apologize for that!?!?! BUT! An infidel MUST apologize for striking back at them. How arrogant and just sinful for them to think they should protect themselves because all of this was done for Allah!

How dare you, infidel, for speaking against Islam. For we will get your own useful idiots to shut you up when necessary…

An organization in the national spotlight recently for producing a documentary identifying several dozen potential terrorist training compounds in the U.S. has offended the sensibilities of Maine bureaucrats, who have fined the organization $4,000, alleging among other things that the group sent out mailings containing an “inflammatory anti-Muslim message.”
The group in question, the Christian Action Network (CAN), received notice of the fines and the fundraising ban in a May 6 letter from Elaine Thibodeau of the State of Maine’s Department of Professional and Financial Regulation. Enclosed in the letter was a prepared consent agreement for CAN to sign agreeing to all of the state’s allegations, waiving all rights to appeal, and agreeing to pay the $4,000 fine. As part of the consent agreement, CAN is required to agree to all of the state’s allegations, including their assertion that their mailing amounted to hate speech.

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And if you dare to break the programmed code of Islam, we will deny it, claim you are the liar, claim victimhood because we know how to feign tears and wailing, and we know how to use our useful idiots - your own ignorant people - against you. Muhammed even reminded it to us on his death bed, to use our wealth to bribe them, use terror against the rest.

 

[GraceDK]

Yes while quite alot of the palestinian youth are weak in faith (including the christian ones), most wouldn’t do what you have described above (trust me i know—my dad’s palestinian).

wasalam

Zaki.
I want to make it clear that my post was directly a response to Planten, so that he could see how ridiculously easy it is to give back a reply in the same lines as what he spreads around here. It was not a post I would have written to you. I know that you are fully aware that the world is more diverse, both among palestinians and among westerners, than what Planten suggests.

My honest idea is that we discuss the revelation of the two religions respectively and thats the basis that we argue on. If we write about behaviour its in order to prove a point directly about what the religion allows (like polygami which I mention as a religious argument against another because I view polygamy as being a phenomenon which is okay’ed by Islam…)
there are also other such trends which are sanctioned by religious role models etc… such is interesting for the debate. What Planten says is notorically irrelevant though.
The sins of impurity are universal… however, I may add that most Christians that go to Church regularly out of their free will do not engage in fornication and adultery, and if they slip up, its not accepted behaviour, which Planten seems to imply by his primitive posts. He is content to mix up secularistic culture and Christianity. I could use the same tool, as shown to him since palestinian men go to mosque and 97 percent of them define themselves as Muslims… and yet I really saw those tendencies that I described.
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I have told you I had an arab boyfriend. He was Palestinian… His parents were models of virtue, his father was faithful and romantic and loving to his wife and family, like a Christian father would also be. So I know there are many Muslims who try to live good lives.

My oppinion further more is that such a man is more directed by his conscience guided by Christ, than he is by the example of Muhammad… that is, he is better man than Muhammad. But thats another topic… more crucial too.

It would look good on you if you would sometimes admonish your brother Planten. He gives fire to any possible prejudice we, the infidels,might have of Muslims as irrational and angry people.

 

[planten]

Zaki.
I want to make it clear that my post was directly a response to Planten, so that he could see how ridiculously easy it is to give back a reply in the same lines as what he spreads around here. It was not a post I would have written to you. I know that you are fully aware that the world is more diverse, both among palestinians and among westerners, than what Planten suggests.

GDK, please understand that you have got a good reply from the right person. You are talking to me bout Palestinains. i am not a Palestinian. Zaki has given you the correct reply and busted your false report. So be content with that please.

 

[HickmanJosh]

**I also believe that God can forgive sins anyhow. But church teaches that He cannot forgive sins. That is why He put His son (Jesus) on the cross to atone for the sins of others.

There was no need of any demonstration. There was no demonstration of any love in putting up an innocent man (Jesus) on the cross for the sins of others. Jesus suffered very much on the cross, so much that he shouted loudly, "O My God, O My God, why have you forsaken me??**
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When Jesus said that he was quoting psalms 22, witch is a cry of anguish about being persecuted. He could not tell us His love in human terms so he showed us; he did something we all would understand, he sacrificed himself; and as GraceDK said, it also had to do with the prophesy’s about blood needing to be spillt in order for sins to be forgiven.

** I was referreing to drinking and gambling dens and other ultra-sex activities in various parts of the world. To me they are sins whether done by Jews or Christians or Muslims or Hindus.

Those bad activities spoil the joy of peaceful life…**

Indeed these are terrible sins. Personally i don’t think its the RCC fault that this has happened but its just a result of a materialistic culture of indulgence. As Pope John Paul ll said: “a culture of death.”

**
That is the problem. There is no killing of any innocent person in islam. The killing which is ordered or compulsory is of the opponents of all faiths, the hostile disbelievers who are bent on killing the truth. They are called Kaafir in Arabic.

there were Kaafir in the time of Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. Moses dealt with them and so did Muhammad. jesus could not do anything being under Roman rule. He did not have enough time to do anything against the enemies. The enemies got him caught very quickly and tried to kill him on the cross.**

Jesus chose to be caught. He chose to be crucified. He chose to die. He could have put Rome to dust and converted the Jews but he didn’t. That’s for another time.

HickmanJosh

 

[planten]

**HMJ, thanks for the post. I believe that there can never be any human sacrifice. It is wrong. It is forbidden. Abraham was told to sacrifice his dearest thing. he tried to sacrifice his beloved son. But Abraham was stopped from offering the human sacrifice. From that time human sacrifice is forbidden.

I am sure the Jews do not believe in human sacrifice. They are also an authority in all these matters of faith for the three religions Judaism, christianity and Islam. We may take the opinion of the Jews about human sacrifice. What do you say?

**

 

[HickmanJosh]

**HMJ, thanks for the post. I believe that there can never be any human sacrifice. It is wrong. It is forbidden. Abraham was told to sacrifice his dearest thing. he tried to sacrifice his beloved son. But Abraham was stopped from offering the human sacrifice. From that time human sacrifice is forbidden.

I am sure the Jews do not believe in human sacrifice. They are also an authority in all these matters of faith for the three religions Judaism, christianity and Islam. We may take the opinion of the Jews about human sacrifice. What do you say?

**

Do you believe in laying down your life to save a friend(s)?

 

[antinwo]

Sam_777,

Wow that was great my thoults exlactly.

 

[bobzills]

And I noticed in Muslim Palestine how young Muslim men fornicated very much before marriage, cheated on their girl friends and the married ones flirted wherever they could, adultery was widespread and polygamy was allowed and practiced. Some of them openly went to prostitutes…

Terrible. Of course, adultery doesn’t happen in supposedly Catholic countries such as France, or in supposedly Christian countries such as the USA. We never read in the news about hanky panky between Catholic priests and married women.

 

[GraceDK]

Terrible. Of course, adultery doesn’t happen in supposedly Catholic countries such as France, or in supposedly Christian countries such as the USA. We never read in the news about hanky panky between Catholic priests and married women.

You might get acquainted with the reason why I posted this stuff. I’ll give you a hint: Planten.

 

[Agabriel]

**HMJ, thanks for the post. I believe that there can never be any human sacrifice. It is wrong. It is forbidden. Abraham was told to sacrifice his dearest thing. he tried to sacrifice his beloved son. But Abraham was stopped from offering the human sacrifice. From that time human sacrifice is forbidden.

I am sure the Jews do not believe in human sacrifice. They are also an authority in all these matters of faith for the three religions Judaism, christianity and Islam. We may take the opinion of the Jews about human sacrifice. What do you say?

**

Considering that you are taking away from the topic - your belief in a person sacrificing themselves for another is not an Islamic way.

It is why we see mothers hoping their children become martyrs - so they, the mother, is named as one of the saved because being saved in Islam is not ever assured. The mothers are so willing to let their children blow themselves while trying to kill someone else just so they can be saved. It is what we consider selfish, but the twisted logic of Islam.

The mother knows her child is saved and is hoping she is too.

Walid Shoebat gives us an insight into this twisted logic of suicide bombers, how the community celebrates when their children become martyrs and why the masses do not stop it.

the reason why we only get the truth from former Muslims is because they have escaped the ‘rule’ that they have to deceive us about Islam. They have set themselves free of all the twistedness of Islam.

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

 

[GraceDK]

…
Walid Shoebat gives us an insight into this twisted logic of suicide bombers, how the community celebrates when their children become martyrs and why the masses do not stop it.

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

Dear brother,
I just heard this talk. I believe it truly has the power to change the lives of our fellow human beings on these boards if they are men and women of good will and dares to listen.
Thanks so much for sharing. I think I will get his book… did u read it? I will spread this talk around… also I will see if they have the book in Arabic. I have a dear Palestinian friend that I would like to give it to…
I feel so sorry for these people… gosh… if only they knew the good they were created for.

Peace