Why do you hate Islam?

[jakasaki]

may be i’m wrong , but i have to be sure from other christians also , as for i always thought that christians believes that the antichrist will be killed by jesus

anyway , what christians believe then anout his second coming , what will happen ?

thanx

Elwill - in my post #911 I gave you the link to the Catholic Encyclopedia on the “antichrist”.

 

[qui_est_ce]

**sedonaman, what do you mean about the “verses of the sword.?” Did you see the word sword in the Quran? There is no word sword (saif) in the Quran. But there are surely words swords in the bibleNT. Jesus told his followers to buy swords even at the cost of selling own clothes.

I know you have no genuine reply to that problem unless there is a contradiction in the teachings of Jesus.

Another problem about his teachings as clearly mentioned in the bibleNT is as follows:

He said he was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel. That means obviously that his mission was only for the lost sheep of Israel. Accordingly he forbade his disciples to preach to any non-Jew. Time and again he told his disciples not to help or teach non-Jews. he did not like to cure any non-jew. that was all according to his mission.

But the christians say that in the end he changed his mind altogether against his previous teachings. That he told his followers to go nd preach bible to every one. That is a major contradiction**.
So please do not blame Quran with swords. Sword is not mentioned in Quran.

You are not in Koran either.

Jesus did not “change” his mind. If I forbid my three-year old child to cross the street by himself, but then allow him to cross at the age of 12, have I contradicted myself?

 

[sedonaman]

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So please do not blame Quran with swords. Sword is not mentioned in Quran.

See this reply by

Catholic Considering Islam

 

[sedonaman]

sedonaman, what do you mean about the “verses of the sword.?” Did you see the word sword in the Quran? … So please do not blame Quran with swords. Sword is not mentioned in Quran.

If “corn” can mean “any seed”

The Quran means any seed.

, then any word in the Qur’an could mean “sword”.

The reason they are called “verses of the sword” is because that’s what people fought with in those days. It wouldn’t make any sense to call them “verses of the gun” or “verses of the bomb”, now, would it?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore.

Islam pays lip service to Jesus, but they insult Him by denying that he is messiah.

Why do you have to attack the Jews? Muslims claim to worship the same God as Jews and Christians, but hate Jews and Christians at the same time.

 

[sedonaman]

Islam pays lip service to Jesus, but they insult Him by denying that he is messiah…

Actually, they have made statements in this forum that they do honor him as Messiah; but alas, like so many other words Muslims use, it has a different meaning to them. What that meaning is I do not know. I have asked for them to explain just what they mean by it, but never got an answer.

 

[elwill]

Elwill - in my post #911 I gave you the link to the Catholic Encyclopedia on the “antichrist”.

so i was wrong about that . thank you jakasaki i appreciate your help

 

[jakasaki]

so i was wrong about that . thank you jakasaki i appreciate your help

Glad to be of service Elwill…

 

[sedonaman]

Note to planten: this “lake” is not a literal lake; this “fire” is not a literal fire; and “alive” does not mean literally alive, for only creatures in this life can be alive. But maybe this is why Jesus told his followers to buy swords, so they could fight the anti-Christ.

 

[elwill]

Actually, they have made statements in this forum that they do honor him as Messiah; but alas, like so many other words Muslims use, it has a different meaning to them. What that meaning is I do not know. I have asked for them to explain just what they mean by it, but never got an answer.

Messiah (Hebrew: משיח‎; mashiah, moshiah, mashiach, or moshiach, (“anointed [one]”) is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, is referred to as “God’s anointed” (Messiah) in the Bible.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messianism

in islam Jesus Christ is called Al-Masseeh المسيح which means the-wiper or the-Rubber as he used to wipe on the eye of the blind to recover their eyesight and also used to wipe on those infected with leprosy to cure them.

massiah never meant divinty of jesus ever

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Actually, they have made statements in this forum that they do honor him as Messiah; but alas, like so many other words Muslims use, it has a different meaning to them. What that meaning is I do not know. I have asked for them to explain just what they mean by it, but never got an answer.

Muslims use the same vocabulary as Jews and Christians. But their definitions of terms are different.

 

[GraceDK]

massiah never meant divinty of jesus ever

Fair enough objection Elwill.
But ponder this for a moment.

The Jews were surprised too… For as God says: “My ways are far above your ways”. And who of us have not asked God for a small thing where He gave us a huge one instead, more wondrous than we could have even asked for? I know it happens a lot to me.

Jesus Himself opened Scripture to His disciples and have continued to do so…
Let me point out one of these Scriptures to you:

Isaiah 9.5:
For a child is born unto us
a child is given us
and the Kingdom will be on his shoulders
he will be called
Wondrous Councellor
Great God
Father of Eternity
Prince of Peace.

Will you please explain this Bible passage to me? You might say that there is talk of a merely human ruler in this prophesy… but don’t you think these labels would border on idolatry? Or is this passage of the Old Testament perhaps one of those which have been corrupted according to Muhammad? My bet is you dont know the criteria for curruption. Neither do you know how to work with Scripture because your eyes are yet sealed. I advice you to read the books of the prophets… it’s very interesting. I have already surprised one muslim friend when I read aloud to him from Zachariah… he admitted that no such striking prophesies are found in the Koran.

 

[HickmanJosh]

may be i’m wrong , but i have to be sure from other christians also , as for i always thought that christians believes that the antichrist will be killed by jesus

anyway , what christians believe then anout his second coming , what will happen ?

thanx

The Antichrist will come and deciave the nations of the world, turn people away from God and to suppress all opposition. They will fail to totally suppress the RCC.

After a few years/months Jesus will come down from heaven to defeat the Antichrist and his cohorts and judge all people.

i am Sad that Islam have demoted Jesus to a prophet. What does Islam say Jesus actually did during his life?

Peace

HickmanJosh

 

[slyboots]

** slyboots, there is no harm in your saying that islam is wrong. You are permitted to give your opinion without any serious abuse. I hope you will allow me to say that present day christianity is wrong. Would you permit me?

It is the best to pray to One Go only. keep praying and we also do the same as zaki has also promised. We will see whose prayers are accepted. thanks.**

You may say what you like. But please remember you are on a Catholic thread. We are not talking to you on a Muslim site. Perhaps you might really try to understand catholicism instead of attempting to convert us to Islam.
Your implication that my prayers will not be accepted is out of line though. I would not presume to tell you your prayers would not be heard by Jesus Christ.

 

[planten]

You may say what you like. But please remember you are on a Catholic thread. We are not talking to you on a Muslim site. Perhaps you might really try to understand catholicism instead of attempting to convert us to Islam.
Your implication that my prayers will not be accepted is out of line though. I would not presume to tell you your prayers would not be heard by Jesus Christ.

**slyboots, I understand that you can say “Islam is wrong”. But I cannot say that church is wrong. That is because I am at a christian forum who like to downplay and slander others faith. They do not like to hear anything bad for themselves. I understand your one sided formula and i will remember it and tell it to all my Muslim friends to beware.

Now about your prayers, can I say that you are wrong. I am on a Catholic foum. Can I say that you are wrong/. Where did I say in my post that your prayers will not be accepted. You have assumed things and accused me. Please see my post and amend your words. Excuse me:

Originally Posted by planten
slyboots, there is no harm in your saying that islam is wrong. You are permitted to give your opinion without any serious abuse. I hope you will allow me to say that present day christianity is wrong. Would you permit me?

It is the best to pray to One Go only. keep praying and we also do the same as zaki has also promised. We will see whose prayers are accepted.

** thanks.

I did not stop you from your prayers. I did not say your prayers will not be accepted. I said, “We will see whose prayers are accepted.” Naturally the one who is closer to God, his/her prayers will be accepted. If you are nearer to God Almighty then your prayers will be accepted. So do not worry. Keep praying at the top of your effort and your love of God.

 

[CMSUVulcan]

I think its ignorance. Ignorance usually explains blind hatred. I mean most people don’t know too many muslims, don’t know muslim practices, customs, and traditions, and only see the world through the nightly news. So the media portrays Muslims who blow stuff up and as such this is what people begin to think about Muslims as a whole.

 

[elwill]

Fair enough objection Elwill.
But ponder this for a moment.

The Jews were surprised too… For as God says: “My ways are far above your ways”. And who of us have not asked God for a small thing where He gave us a huge one instead, more wondrous than we could have even asked for? I know it happens a lot to me.

Jesus Himself opened Scripture to His disciples and have continued to do so…
Let me point out one of these Scriptures to you:

Isaiah 9.5:
For a child is born unto us
a child is given us
and the Kingdom will be on his shoulders
he will be called
Wondrous Councellor
Great God
Father of Eternity
Prince of Peace.

Will you please explain this Bible passage to me? You might say that there is talk of a merely human ruler in this prophesy… but don’t you think these labels would border on idolatry? Or is this passage of the Old Testament perhaps one of those which have been corrupted according to Muhammad? My bet is you dont know the criteria for curruption. Neither do you know how to work with Scripture because your eyes are yet sealed. I advice you to read the books of the prophets… it’s very interesting. I have already surprised one muslim friend when I read aloud to him from Zachariah… he admitted that no such striking prophesies are found in the Koran.

i will not use my beliefs in the coruuption of the bible as to be proof for you that i’m reight , i know that it will be useless way because simply you arn’t muslim

i will discuss it with you by logic

first of all , i have to admit that my knowledge in hebrew is zero , but i read some articles about the true meaning of this vrese in hebrew language . and i want to see your comments about it

The word for "Almighty / great (God) " as applied exclusively to God in the OT is the Hebrew word “Shadday” {shad-dah’-ee}. However, this is not the word used in this verse. The actual word used in this verse is the Hebrew word “Gibbowr” meaning “mighty” and not “The Almighty.” Now, although to us such a difference might seem subtle and insignificant, still, to the Jews, the difference was quite pronounced. Let me elaborate.

In the famous Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary by James Strong the word “gibbowr” or short “gibbowr” {ghib-bore’}, is translated as; warrior, tyrant:-champion, chief, excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man. On the other hand the word “Shadday” {shad-dah’-ee}, is translated as, the Almighty:-Almighty.

anyway , you said to me that i don’t know how to work with Scripture because my eyes are yet sealed.
well , open it for me i’m all yours , my only condition is not to ask me to believe anything blindly . i need all my questions to be answerd

peace

 

[elwill]

The Antichrist will come and deciave the nations of the world, turn people away from God and to suppress all opposition. They will fail to totally suppress the RCC.

After a few years/months Jesus will come down from heaven to defeat the Antichrist and his cohorts and judge all people.

how will he defeat him ?

i am Sad that Islam have demoted Jesus to a prophet. What does Islam say Jesus actually did during his life?

Peace

HickmanJosh

i’m sad that you don’t know that islam is the only religion in the world which respect jesus and his mother (pbut) . and the only religion which believe in miraclious birth of jesus (pbuh) and the only religion which accept jesus as the massaih

 

[Hadi]

i’m sad that you don’t know that islam is the only religion in the world which respect jesus and his mother (pbut) . and the only religion which believe in miraclious birth of jesus (pbuh) and the only religion which accept jesus as the massaih

not a wise choice of the word “only”…what about Christianty

 

[ZAKI]

how will he defeat him ?

i’m sad that you don’t know that islam is the only religion in the world which respect jesus and his mother (pbut) . and the only religion which believe in miraclious birth of jesus (pbuh) and the only religion which accept jesus as the massaih

i thought the christians do as well???
UNLESS! That was a joke

wasalam