Why do you hate Islam?

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Well done Elwill. Thank you for your good post. The dead ones do not hear or reply. So Abraham and Moses and Mary and Jesus are dead and do not hear us any more. They had done their good work under very bad conditions. They are all now having good rest (their soul is with Allah and it is a satisfied soul). We praise all those good persons who were chosen by God. But none of them was God.
 
I clipped it already and won’t go back but since when is shia a small sect within Islam? Sunnis claim shia isn’t Islam, but that’s usually just for the purpose of apologetics. Otherwise they were happy to be pushed over the “Catholic” number to become the worlds largest religion.
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so satan wanted to start a religion and decieve people and change thier beliefs from worshipping idols to worship one God !!!
did you forgot that mohammed (pbuh) preach his religion to pagans !!! , did satan wanted to decieve the pagans from the truth 🤷
Yes. Satan wanted to deceive the pagans from the truth. Christianity is the Truth.
we have similar verse in quran
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
The other verse said that God created man in the image of God. I don’t see that here.
so , this is your logic to believe that polygomy is prohibited in christianity ??
i differ with you but i respect your beliefs
the verse is talking about adam and eve , there is no other human being to mention more fleshes in this story
Here’s more from the New Testament talking about mankind, not just mentioning Adam and Eve, but verses in the Bible that apply to Adam and Eve generally apply to mankind.

Mat 19:3 Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him, saying, Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?
He said in reply, Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.
They said to him, Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss (her)?
He said to them, Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.
(His) disciples said to him, If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.
i think that i have to suggest Bart Ehrman’s
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156
believe me he didn’t read the quran nor did he listen to muslims to come up with such conclusions , all what he did is studying the bible deeply
First of all, Bart Ehrmann isnt’ a priest, but is an agnostic Scripture scholar who studied under Bruce Metzger. He tried relaying that same material in a debate against James White and he was forced to admit in the debate that the Bible has the best evidence of any book from antiquity. He suggested previously that his main problem with faith in God was not the quality of the Bible text, but the issue of suffering. In his books he uses phrases with “may have” and “might be” statements, which in the end mean little to nothing. These are pop culture books, not intended for use in a scholarly setting. The rapid spread of Christianity under persecution and the similarities of the texts, traditions and doctrines are a strong witness to this textual tradition.

Even if there are additions they did not change doctrines. Our earliest texts show that what we have today is a faithful manuscript. I dare say it’s better than the transmission of the Mohammads Quran which also has omissions due to the manner in which it was created. There’s no way to know what of it is actually part of the Quran either.
 
if you have these doubts about muslims , then read their books directly without asking them 👍
Funniest thing I have read so far.

Yep - don’t ask because we have read their answers so far.

They get tired of taqiyya - and having to explain things to us infidels. For 1400 years they have never had to do such a thing and dag gone it - it gets tiring!😛

Taqiyya is indeed practiced by the Shia because they are a minority in Sunni lands. And the Sunni do indeed have this concept.
 


I say, read for oneself and find out instead of trusting others, even Muslims.
Yes but one has to realize that one is not infallible, and in most cases has to rely on someone with expertise.
I found out that if a Muslim doesn’t like someone, or someone’s website, that is usually a good source.
I have noticed this also. These I call Thopp-ers – to get the truth, Think opposite of what they say. [This technique works with the media also.]
 
There is biblical evidence in the Book of Tobit to suggest that cousins, even distant cousins, were referred to as “brother” or “sister”. Not only that but these supposed brothers have the same names as other people in the Gospel accounts that have different mothers and fathers. James the Son of Zebedee. James the Son of Alphaeus. Which of these was Jesus’ brother? …
Moses as the Uncle of Jesus
[Down about 1/3 of the way]:
Although Muslim apologists deny it, the Koran clearly depicts Moses as the brother of Jesus’ mother Mary, which makes Moses Jesus’ uncle. This of course, is another confusion of characters and misunderstanding of history… In this case, the Jesus’ mother Mary is confused with Moses’ sister Miriam.
 


Sometimes Muslims will say that the Quran wasn’t translated correctly, or that we need the before and after surahs, etc. …
Yes. One Muslim poster set the number before and after at five. I asked what made “five” the magic number for all cases. I’m still waiting for some kind of answer.
 
I don’t hate Islam. I reject all gods equally, no one specific god in any order really.
I just happen to know more christians in life and they happen to have ability to impact the world I live in more than anyone else… well, so far. Islam is next on the list I suppose that has that ability to change freedom for others into their view only. If you both joined together and got smart, no one could stop you. Do you realize the power you would have if you did?
Power is a reality of the nature of God,
and an illusion of the atheist.

Peace.
 

so satan wanted to start a religion and decieve people and change thier beliefs from worshipping idols to worship one God !!!
Yes. Consider the following analysis:

If Islam Is True

… the Islamic view [of Christianity] is extremely problematic. It requires us to believe that God deceived billions of people. God even led Jesus’ followers astray by tricking so many people into believing that Jesus died. This could have been avoided if God hadn’t been so intent on deceiving people. But this leads to more questions: Why would Allah want people to believe that Jesus was dead when he really wasn’t? Muslims can’t argue that Allah did it to protect Jesus from the Jews or Romans, since Allah was taking Jesus away safely anyway. So, why would Allah want to give Jesus’ enemies the satisfaction of seeing Jesus killed? Why not raise Jesus up without deceiving everyone about it? There seems to be no reason at all for Allah to deceive these people, especially since such a deception would soon lead to the formation of Christianity.

This is a difficult pill to swallow, yet Islam forces us to view the origin of Christianity in this way. If Islam is true, Allah deceives people who believe the prophets he sends. If Islam is true, Allah spreads false teachings until they become dominant in the world. If Islam is true, Jesus, the Messiah, was completely incompetent and should never have been sent by Allah, since Jesus’ life ended up leading more people astray than any other life in history. Because the Muslim view is at odds with any traditional understanding of God’s nature (including the Islamic understanding), Islam is an incoherent religious system, which should be rejected by all rational people. Islam has a poor and contemptible explanation for the origin of Christianity. If Islam is true, the existence of Christianity makes no sense at all.

If Christianity Is True

Christianity, on the other hand, easily accounts for the rise of Islam. “… false prophets will arise and will mislead many.”] Indeed, if Christianity is true, the rise of Islam makes perfect sense. If it isn’t immediately clear why Christianity entails the rise of religions such as Islam, consider the following line of thought.

If Christianity is true, then the following statements are also true:

INDENT People can come to God only through Jesus Christ.
(2) Satan is a real spirit being who wants to keep people from God.

… if Satan wants to keep people from God [and he does], and if the way to God is through Jesus Christ, what would Satan’s highest priority be? … to incite people to reject Christ, for this rejection is what keeps them separated from God.

But how would Satan convince people to reject Christ? … Since his goal is to keep as many people from God as possible, we would expect Satan to be focused on people who are to some extent concerned with religious matters [as opposed to those who are not; they are already lost]. There are two ways to keep such people from God. Satan would either have to convince them that all “religious talk” is nonsense (i.e., by spreading secularism) or he would have to offer them a substitute for the truth (i.e., a religion that rejects what is necessary for salvation).

Thus, if Christianity is true, we would expect Satan to inspire [among other things] religions that reject Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection, even though these religions may be similar to Christianity in other (non-essential) respects.

The message of Islam is something like this: “Believe in God. Do good deeds. If you do enough of them, you’ll get to heaven. Respect Jesus, for he was a mighty prophet, who delivered God’s message to the children of Israel. Also believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he performed many miracles, and that he was the Messiah. But whatever you do, don’t believe that he died on the cross for your sins. And don’t believe that he rose from the dead. In fact, the worst possible sin you can commit is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God.”

Credit: David Wood, “Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah: What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus”[/INDENT]
did you forgot that mohammed preach his religion to pagans !!! , did satan wanted to decieve the pagans from the truth 🤷
You forget that paganism was not the only religion in the area at the time. There were also Jews and Christians that Mohammed had to compete with. We see this from the Qur’an’s [laughable] incorporation of some of the OT and NT prophets and stories. Not even Mohammed’s idea of there being only one God was original.

And so …

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
 
actually i was asking about medical information about such illness which can control in someone through 23 years and give someone skills of poetry and knowledge of scripture and science and see visions then influence with his teaching great number of persons in very little time

most of this acts are evil , i didn’t deny
i just denying attaching islam with it
Its an islamic assumption that Muhammad was illiterate. There is no scolarly backing of this. Left is only the embarrasing truth that Muhammad could not perform one single miracle… which is no wonder since he had blood on his hands.
as for your concept of evil. I dont care much for it, since you think its okay for a 50 year old to sleep with a little girl.
 
Yes but one has to realize that one is not infallible, and in most cases has to rely on someone with expertise.

I have noticed this also. These I call Thopp-ers – to get the truth, Think opposite of what they say. [This technique works with the media also.]
Yes, that is why I my greatest resource are former Muslims.

Ayan Hirsi Ali, the Caner brothers, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish, to name a few. And also a few who lived under Muslim terrorism - Brigette Gabriel is the main example. their message is too consistent to be unbelievable. There are others though - mostly in articles that I read on websites from them, one was from the Bosnia area - where the USA got it wrong about who we helped in that area. We helped Musims slaughter more Christians without knowing the full situation there. We were brought in there with the usual Muslim wailing and whining that they were the victims and they were not. (also a good source: The Revenge of the Prophet)

It is the same as believing the consistency of the Bible and its Prophets vs one lone guy who changed the message and was inconsistent - who do you believe? Especially when the behavior points away from the lone guy who changes the message?

Now, one should indeed use their own brain and judge to make sure one is not following the many just because it is ‘cool’. In this case, we find it is not ‘cool’ to be a Christian in our politically correct world today - but it is indeed correct.
 
Yes, that is why I my greatest resource are former Muslims.

Ayan Hirsi Ali, the Caner brothers, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish, to name a few. And also a few who lived under Muslim terrorism - Brigette Gabriel. their message is too consistent to be unbelievable.

It is the same as believing the consistency of the Bible and its Prophets vs one lone guy who changed the message and was inconsistent - who do you believe? Especially when the behavior points away from the lone guy who changes the message?

Now, one should indeed use their own brain and judge to make sure one is not following the many just because it is ‘cool’. In this case, we find it is not ‘cool’ to be a Christian in our politically correct world today - but it is indeed correct.
Very well stated.
I want to add Wafa Sultan to your list.
Here she weeps while telling about her experiences with islam while growing up in Syria. youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ
 
Yes, that is why I my greatest resource are former Muslims.

Ayan Hirsi Ali, the Caner brothers, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish, to name a few. And also a few who lived under Muslim terrorism - Brigette Gabriel is the main example.
For the record, I believe that Gabriel has always been a Christian.
 
For the record, I believe that Gabriel has always been a Christian.
Yes, she is a Maronite Christian who lived in Lebanon and when she was about 9 to 11 years old (I forget the exact age) the Muslim terrorism and torture/killing of her people began. She lived with that for a very, long time until as a young adult she moved to the USA.

If I wasn’t clear about that, sorry. She is the founder of Act for America which is the group that I belong to. We have been through letter writing campaigns about the fairy tales about Muhammed and Islam in our kid’s schools, the MSA in our colleges that the Muslim Brotherhood uses as a tool for their brainwashing and recruitment, etc.

She has a couple of websites: actforamerica.com and americancongressfortruth.org

She knows that what happened to her country could very well happen here in the USA especially with the political correctness run amok and our lefties being their greatest apologists/appeasers.
 
What religion is Wafa Sultan now?
Hi Peter. Welcome.
Sadly she has no faith in God, because of the perversion of religion that she has witnessed. Did you see the video I posted a few posts back where she spoke about her experiences?
 
Hi Peter. Welcome.
Sadly she has no faith in God, because of the perversion of religion that she has witnessed. Did you see the video I posted a few posts back where she spoke about her experiences?
Yes. At the end she said ‘God bless you all’ 🤷
 
What religion is Wafa Sultan now?
In Wikipedia it says she is still a Muslim who is fighting Islam.
Religious sentiment
In the same Time Magazine interview, Sultan conflictingly described herself as a Muslim who does not adhere to Islam: “I even don’t believe in Islam, but I am a Muslim.”[10] However, in a recent conference associated with conservative writer and activist David Horowitz, Wafa Sultan expressed her views unequivocally stating:
“ “I have decided to fight Islam; please pay attention to my statement; to fight Islam, not the political Islam, not the militant Islam, not the radical Islam, not the Wahhabi Islam, but Islam itself…Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem…(Muslims) have to realize that they have only two choices: to change or to be crushed.”[12]
 

She knows that what happened to her country could very well happen here in the USA especially with the political correctness run amok and our lefties being their greatest apologists/appeasers.
I saw a video of a speech she gave for the Thomas More Law Center thomasmore.org that I’ve contributed to for several years now.
 
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