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Agabriel
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sedonaman, do you have a link to that article. I did some searches but am getting other articles - which are very good with Warner in them, but I just wanted to save the article you are referring to in your post.
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Agabriel
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You play with words. While people like you are trying to tell us that Muslims consider everyone innocent, they aim for innocents in buses, schools, hospitals, people going to work, pizza parlors, etc. …to strike terror in our hearts, per Muhammed.
Since there is absolutely no outrage from all you moderate - (a term that kafirs created to try to humanize Islam) - Muslims then one can only come to the conclusion that in Islam no unbeliever is considered innocent. Not even babies or old people.
Should we be surprised since Muhammed had no problem having an old man over 100 years old assasinated. Or children enslaved and raped, or left homeless when he had a man who pleaded for his life for his children - murdered.
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Agabriel
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Another example of Muslims defining ‘innocent’.
Example 2
We only hear outrage when you hear stuff you don’t like, or when such ilk as Hamas gets their behinds handed back to them by kafirs.
Example 2
and a bit further down the article we get Muslims admitting:
And here we have another Muslim playing with words:
We have had reports of Thai school girls beheaded, Buddhist monks burned alive, Hindu children kidnapped and raped (forced to marry Muslim males) - and no outrage from moderate Muslims.
We only hear outrage when you hear stuff you don’t like, or when such ilk as Hamas gets their behinds handed back to them by kafirs.
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Agabriel
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Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 266l:
Narrated Salim Abu An-Nadr:
(the freed slave of 'Umar bin 'Ubaidullah) I was Umar’s clerk. Once Abdullah bin Abi Aufa wrote a letter to 'Umar when he proceeded to Al-Haruriya. I read in it that Allah’s Apostle in one of his military expeditions against the enemy, waited till the sun declined and then he got up amongst the people saying, “O people! Do not wish to meet the enemy, and ask Allah for safety, but when you face the enemy, be patient, and remember that Paradise is under the shades of swords.” Then he said, “O Allah, the Revealer of the Holy Book, and the Mover of the clouds and the Defeater of the clans, defeat them, and grant us victory over them.”
Narrated Salim Abu An-Nadr:
(the freed slave of 'Umar bin 'Ubaidullah) I was Umar’s clerk. Once Abdullah bin Abi Aufa wrote a letter to 'Umar when he proceeded to Al-Haruriya. I read in it that Allah’s Apostle in one of his military expeditions against the enemy, waited till the sun declined and then he got up amongst the people saying, “O people! Do not wish to meet the enemy, and ask Allah for safety, but when you face the enemy, be patient, and remember that Paradise is under the shades of swords.” Then he said, “O Allah, the Revealer of the Holy Book, and the Mover of the clouds and the Defeater of the clans, defeat them, and grant us victory over them.”
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GraceDK
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I will also point out that I heard that some islamist leaders both in Pakistan, Palestine and Iran have made it clear that they are merely waiting to get hands on nuclear weapons, then they will use it against the Western countries and Israel of course. If their own die in such an attack then these will go directly to heaven as martyrs. We of course agree that its not a majority of Muslims who are that extremistic… but honestly, If the Islamists win power of just one atomic bomb the West is in deep trouble. These people do not have the same conscience and reasoning as we are used to. Its surreal…
I am afraid that people like Obama does not understand that its reality and action has to be taken now… he does not take it seriously when Ahmedinejad says Israel will be wiped off the map, or that America is the great satan. He is naive… thats what I have come to believe.
If you are interested I recommend this link to Palestinian Media Watch:
youtube.com/watch?v=mNuTVhvZ6uM&feature=related
Palestinian children are more than ever being indoctrinated with a glorification of death by Hamas who dream of a world dominated by Islam…
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bobzills
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America already used the Atomic bomb against the women and children of Japan. So a precedent has been set for the use of the nuclear bombs, not by the Islamic world, but by America.I will also point out that I heard that some islamist leaders both in Pakistan, Palestine and Iran have made it clear that they are merely waiting to get hands on nuclear weapons, then they will use it against the Western countries and Israel of course. If their own die in such an attack then these will go directly to heaven as martyrs. We of course agree that its not a majority of Muslims who are that extremistic… but honestly, If the Islamists win power of just one atomic bomb the West is in deep trouble. These people do not have the same conscience and reasoning as we are used to. Its surreal…
I am afraid that people like Obama does not understand that its reality and action has to be taken now… he does not take it seriously when Ahmedinejad says Israel will be wiped off the map, or that America is the great satan. He is naive… thats what I have come to believe.
If you are interested I recommend this link to Palestinian Media Watch:
youtube.com/watch?v=mNuTVhvZ6uM&feature=related
Palestinian children are more than ever being indoctrinated with a glorification of death by Hamas who dream of a world dominated by Islam…
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sedonaman
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Glad you asked, but I wonder how many times I have to post what Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785 told Thomas Jefferson and John Adams when they asked him by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers:
It is worth noting that the United States played no part in the Crusades, nor in the Catholic reconquista of Andalusia; nor did the state of Israel exist at the time. The US was merely minding its own business. But no matter; to Muslims it was a nation of “sinners”.
- The definition of “sinner” here is “one who transgresses divine law.”
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swplan76
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This is what I’m saying… Some how people can’t see what Islam does and what it brings… and if people speak out against Islam, its racism. If Islam speaks out against other people, they call it religious freedom.
Islam is a religion of double standards.
Peace by any means possible - torture, deception and murder included.
The frustrating thing is that it seems that most Muslims on this forum will not stop and think - they are already convinced.
What we’ve said here, I call it honesty - I’m not attempting to hurt anyone. These words could be considered fact and if a Muslim were to research it and really think about it, they could be free…
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Hey Zaki,
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One thing you have to realize is that Americans are not just Christians. There are many of them who might identify as Christian, but don't "take up their cross daily" - they don't look to God for meaning. I'll guarantee you that anyone who was involved in gang raping anyone was not a Christian... I'd be willing to bet that those people may never be able to forgive themselves for what they did. God may be willing forgive them, but they may never be able to ask for it. America is not a Christian nation. The day after 9/11 Billy Graham was invited to speak on the huge televised response. He said, "this is not a time for revenge." That was the majority of the point he was trying to make. I was happy, I thought, hopefully the government will listen (if Christianity holds any power among them). Bush got up a little while later and, to sum up what Bush said, he may as well have said, "we will have our revenge." American politics don't listen to the Christians they believe have the most wisdom. America isn't a Christian nation.
America isn't a Christian nation... This may be hard for Muslims to understand because Islam is a religion that naturally gravitates toward control over politics. Christ did not attempt to control anyone through politics. He did not raise and army and refuse to let His followers defend Him as the government seized Him. The empire controls and dominates and oppresses people. Rome, America, Islam... Islam gravitates toward becoming an oppressor. Like all empires, those who are on the side of the empire enjoy the benefits of having power while others suffer.
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Agabriel
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You got to learn to grow a thick skin. It is hard!
But there are some answers to their bashing of you:
- Islam is not a race
- the Basic teachings of Islam (vs any other religion) show us that a good Muslim is defined as one who does violence, or supports it (morale and/or their wealth); and a bad Muslim is a hypocrite who truly wants peace
- when they start judging you, or telling you that you are this or that (some name calling) then just tell them that they are the ones who are that name since it is in their brains, not yours. (the ‘sticks and stones’ children’s thing applies since we are talking about a religion and its adherents who are not used to being questioned at all - death was the order of the day and they are having a hard time dealing with us now. Keep in mind they are even going through the UN, infiltrating our schools via left wing liberals, etc to try to shut us up and intimidate us)
- call them on their (re)definitions of words. Prove it via their own clerics, and texts. It is easy, proof is abundant.
The ugliness will come out, and by its true face is fully out, we can deal with it because we have built ourselves up to it - if we are alert to it. Or we can glaze our eyes over and succumb to it and therefore condemn our children to it too.
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swplan76
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Islam on the other hand…
Rape and murder, these were common practices of Muhammad.
If Muslims were caught doing this, it wouldn’t be so out of character, especially since Muslims are attempting to follow the character of Muhammad.
Americans may have been caught doing this, not Christians, but Muhammad was documented as doing this and promoting it among this followers.
Its terrible, but its not a Christian thing you are talking about here, if it is going to be ascribed to any religion, Islam is the only major religion that promotes it in its holy books.
What will it take Zaki, for you to open your eyes.
Islam is not about truth… it can’t be. If it was, Muslims would turn away from the Qur’an and give up on the religion.
Islam is about routine, ritual and ceremony. Islam makes people’s lives ordered and controlled which gives Muslims a sense that they are better off with Islam than without. Its true, we need organization and order and we like it, but the army provides that. Many religions provide that.
The problem is that truth is not the issue we are really trying to work out here. Islam is not a logical system. Its a flop on so many levels if people will think about it honestly. Any Muslim who stays Muslim cannot be really thinking about what the Qur’an says and what it does to people in the larger, global community. It is an vampire empire. It sucks the life out of people giving them order and organization in exchange for hope of meeting with God and reaching true potential.
Again - these words are life. This is my attempt to speak words that could open people’s eyes so they can have life. I say these words out of real concern, care and love. I sincerely hope that Muslims could be free of Islam.
I know God wants it too.
Rape and murder, these were common practices of Muhammad.
If Muslims were caught doing this, it wouldn’t be so out of character, especially since Muslims are attempting to follow the character of Muhammad.
Americans may have been caught doing this, not Christians, but Muhammad was documented as doing this and promoting it among this followers.
Its terrible, but its not a Christian thing you are talking about here, if it is going to be ascribed to any religion, Islam is the only major religion that promotes it in its holy books.
What will it take Zaki, for you to open your eyes.
Islam is not about truth… it can’t be. If it was, Muslims would turn away from the Qur’an and give up on the religion.
Islam is about routine, ritual and ceremony. Islam makes people’s lives ordered and controlled which gives Muslims a sense that they are better off with Islam than without. Its true, we need organization and order and we like it, but the army provides that. Many religions provide that.
The problem is that truth is not the issue we are really trying to work out here. Islam is not a logical system. Its a flop on so many levels if people will think about it honestly. Any Muslim who stays Muslim cannot be really thinking about what the Qur’an says and what it does to people in the larger, global community. It is an vampire empire. It sucks the life out of people giving them order and organization in exchange for hope of meeting with God and reaching true potential.
Again - these words are life. This is my attempt to speak words that could open people’s eyes so they can have life. I say these words out of real concern, care and love. I sincerely hope that Muslims could be free of Islam.
I know God wants it too.
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pjk123
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They cannot see the problem inside.Infact ,99% of Muslims cannot.what can be done about these murderous people who refers koran for morality and takes mohammad of koran as the “Best” Human and tries to copy to be Mohemmadans?
World needs to get a answer for this.We cannot bear the death cult called Islam and their religion’s holy book - koran(which is HATE) which instigates Hate for Non-Muslims.Jihad is from Koran.Banning the book is much better in controlling Islam.
I Felt the Non-Muslim Countries and governments must bring below suggestions into practical to escape from the death cult-Islam:
** 1)Ban Koran Book.
2)Islamic Scholars or Islamic Discussions are NOT allowed.
3)No new Mosques Should be allowed.Madrassas are Banned.
4)A Education system specially tailor-made for Muslims(brainwashed by koran and Islam) Must be Taught.
5)Circumcision is to be marked as a crime unless medically needed.
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But The Question is ,Who will tie the bell?
EDIT: Infact ,I or you are not the One who thought about Banning Koran which instigates terror on non-muslims.
India witnessed a case suite filed for banning Koran:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Calcutta_Quran_Petition
faithfreedom.org/oped/Sundaram60315.htm
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Agabriel
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If you get a chance and like movies (on TV’s Sci Fi channel) there is a movie called ‘Equilibrium’. It is a futuristic movie about war being depleted from earth. But in order to do this they have to take a drug - several times a day to deaden the senses. And there are ‘clerics’ to keep the order (I found this word amusing since too often Islamic clerics are the ones inciting violence in their mosques).
Well, there is an underground movement and one of the clerics stops using his drug.
The simularity is that the drug is ‘Allah’, the clerics are well, the clerics and there are police (jihadists) that back up the clerics. And the majority of people are those drugged up zombies (the majority of Muslims).
I found it amusing, a ‘dark’ movie sort of on the order of Batman movies.
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Agabriel
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Banning things doesn’t really work very well. Look at our efforts to tell the Muslims in our own lands to stop teaching hatred and throw away the books that they are using to do this (while still being entirely stupid about their own Quran!). They xeroxed off the book before tossing them and they still teach it.
What it does is drive them underground. And what is the most prominent thing in Islam that the majority of Muslims do? taqiyy/kithman - deception. All they will do is tell us one thing while doing another.
There has to be consequences to their behavior.
Reclassifying Islam and taking it out of the status of ‘religion’ is one thing. It is more along the lines of Nazism than a religion. Just because they have rites doesn’t make it a religion especially when their ‘most holy book’ has more hatred than even Mein Kampf.
They have recently intimidated Barnes and Noble to place the Quran higher than the Bible and other’s religious texts. Well, maybe just taking it out of Barnes and Noble is more along the lines of what should be done. Let them order it online.
Toys R Us carries a doll that says ‘Allah is the light’ (yeah, and Lucifer is also known as the ‘light’!). But, don’t do business with Toys R Us if they keep carrying that doll since they were asked to take if off their shelves since it is nothing but a tool for brainwashing our kids. Kick the MSA out of our schools too. They have been attacking Jews and spreading anti-Semitism and it is on the increase. make sure they teach the correct history in our kid’s textbooks - not some fairy tales about Muhammed. You know, like the ones they try to tell us!
But, banning and censorship won’t do because then they will have the texts and we won’t so we won’t know what they are being taught.
An example is USC censoring out some hadith because of their violence (ironic they didn’t censor the Quran! and more of the hadith and sira). But, what I did was download all the hadith before the censorship because I want to know what the Muslims have, not some ‘dumbed down’ version to sooth us infidels.
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Agabriel
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Reclassifying Islam will include banning the building of Mosques and also madrassas. get Saudi money and clerics out of here would help too.
Also start looking at these compounds they have around the USA more closely. There are over 30 of them and they have had some questionable activity on them. So much so that some have dug bunkers and now do their activities underground.
Make sure they are not abusing women and children since it is so common in their communities. Check for weapons, etc on these compounds.
Some of this info on their compounds can be viewed on the DVD ‘The Third Jihad’. Also Fox news had a special on them with ‘Homegrown Terrorism’.
I am sure there are other sources.
Also start looking at these compounds they have around the USA more closely. There are over 30 of them and they have had some questionable activity on them. So much so that some have dug bunkers and now do their activities underground.
Make sure they are not abusing women and children since it is so common in their communities. Check for weapons, etc on these compounds.
Some of this info on their compounds can be viewed on the DVD ‘The Third Jihad’. Also Fox news had a special on them with ‘Homegrown Terrorism’.
I am sure there are other sources.
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sedonaman
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Check this out the next time you visit a bookstore. If the Qur’an is higher, move it down below!
Self-imposed dhimmihood. You might be interested in this website historytextbooks.org/islam.htm
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pjk123
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Another thing is ,this islam cult has got the proper “sealing” -which prevents Muslims from leaving Islam-atleast publicly ,as Apostacy got death penalty under sharia.
Being Living in Muslim area ,I better Know the Common Behaviour.Islam Bring UP Poverty and every other undesired filth.Women lives inside so called purdah-burqah.Overbreeding is taught in Madrassas and Masjids and by their Salafi/Wahabi Political Parties,Mullahs.
India is One country which cannot control population explosion due to this behaviour of Muslims to Overbreed(due to Islamic teachings).When Will World stop this Tolerance?It is said that India and Hinduism survived in this world due to Hindus understood the tactics of Lie and Deception ,unethical ways of war by the Islamic invaders ,Hence prevented Islam which dominated India for 1000 years.
**History of the Jihad against the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh **
Now Under Democracy ,It is impossible.World must take care of Islam Cult.I will be surprised if Countries like America got no plan to erase terrorism(islam) from Universe.I pray for that.
Again ,Islam not Muslims.They have to leave Islam.Pray to Our Lord that muslims be enlightened and leave the death cult-Islam(the allah-moon god cult).
Being Living in Muslim area ,I better Know the Common Behaviour.Islam Bring UP Poverty and every other undesired filth.Women lives inside so called purdah-burqah.Overbreeding is taught in Madrassas and Masjids and by their Salafi/Wahabi Political Parties,Mullahs.
India is One country which cannot control population explosion due to this behaviour of Muslims to Overbreed(due to Islamic teachings).When Will World stop this Tolerance?It is said that India and Hinduism survived in this world due to Hindus understood the tactics of Lie and Deception ,unethical ways of war by the Islamic invaders ,Hence prevented Islam which dominated India for 1000 years.
**History of the Jihad against the Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh **
Now Under Democracy ,It is impossible.World must take care of Islam Cult.I will be surprised if Countries like America got no plan to erase terrorism(islam) from Universe.I pray for that.
Again ,Islam not Muslims.They have to leave Islam.Pray to Our Lord that muslims be enlightened and leave the death cult-Islam(the allah-moon god cult).
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Agabriel
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Check this out the next time you visit a bookstore. If the Qur’an is higher, move it down below!
Self-imposed dhimmihood. You might be interested in this website historytextbooks.org/islam.htm
hehh hehh hehh (do I have to admit what I have already done?) It is between me and Jesus. 
Thanks for the website - I will check it.
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swplan76
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I don’t think we should ban the Qur’an. I don’t think we should force people into submission. That is what Muhammad did. If we are going to take action against Islam, it must be done in a way that would reflect the heart of Jesus. Jesus responds to Muslims with love and we are to respond to them with love as well. It seems pretty fruitless sometimes, but that is what we are supposed to do. God is at work, even if it seems like their hearts are hard. Moses kept at Pharaoh even when it seemed like there could be no movement.
A friend of mine asked me, “What do we do if Muslims begin to demand their rights here? And what do we do if they begin to demand to have political control here, operating through Shariah law? What do we do if they begin to oppress other people groups.” My friend told me he thought the solution was to “get rid of the dirt bags.” I don’t like to think pessimistically. I don’t believe Muslims are dirt bags. I think if the shoe was on the other foot we would want freedom to practice our religion and live peacefully in other countries. I am also aware that Muslim countries do not allow people of other religions the kind of freedom that they get in western countries.
I believe God loves everyone regardless of how confused they may appear.
I think we should all read the Qur’an and the Hadiths. It is so obviously reveals its source - there is nothing divine about it. Look at what it does, encourages and what it (Hadiths) document about Muhammad. The Qur’an and Hadiths are books written in order to provide Muslims with clarity about who Allah is and who Muhammad is and they make it pretty clear that Islam is for slavery, conversion through oppression (murder), the general oppression of women, rape of property/slave women, pedophilia, general murder of non-muslims is allowable, deception of people in order to conquer them and/or bring victory to Islam. These are behaviors that are evil in God’s eyes, yet in Islam, they are excusable.
America responded to the terrorists by behaving like them… and what happened? Many more Muslims suddenly had visual experience of evil at the hands of America and having witnessed murder, oppression and occupation at the hands of America, many understandably angered Muslims became Muslim extremists
We cannot become like them if we want to overcome them…
Jesus points us in another way
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