Why do you hate Islam?

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hmmm…where did you pop out from lollal???
welcome to the forum bro-i see ur a supporter of hamas (i think they r better than fatah), so we share a similarity 👍
yeah and 911 was dodgey…but im not sure—it didnt make sense to me that a plane or two can hit the top and send a massive building crumbling down the way those two towers did.
personally i reckon someone must of blew the foundations. afterall, america being america-it would probably do something like that to get some free oil 😃

wasalam
7 out of the 19 accused hijackers of 911 are in fact still alive and only one isreali died on 911 out of 4000 because the isrealis were told not to go to work on 911, people saw miltary planes crash into the wtc1and2 and bombs went off and edvinence shows that a missel hit the penteon.😉
 
**I am surprised at the long list of good points of Islam presented by bobzills. It is an excellent collection and a good reminder to all of us. May be we could add just one or two more good points in that list otherwise that is a comprehensive list impossible to do any better. I am thankful to bobzills.

A good person will always gather good fruits. May Allah bless bobzills for bringing out the truth boldly and reward bobzills with all the more goodness. Thanks to God Almighty. At the same time we praise (Love) Jesus and his mother and all his close real apostles who worked hard to make the real mission of Jesus successful.**hty.
 
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O man! If you are not satisfied with the small, the great can satisfy you neither.

Do good deeds without creating buzz.

Do not wish death to yourself or to others.

The one who does not thank people will thank Allah neither.

Everything created by Allah is fine, though people do not always understand it.

Allah created diseases, but He also created medicines for them.

Allah is generous and likes generous people.

For everything there is a way. The way to paradise is opened by knowledge.

Do not be lazy to go for knowledge even to distant China, because gaining knowledge is the main duty of a Muslim.

Panhandling is an indecent occupation.

Begin a meal with remembering about Allah and be not choosy with food.

Gates to well-being are under lock. The key to it is work.

To divine and to believe the words of diviners, foretellers, and sorcerers is meanness.

A bad person is characterized by the following features: he lies in conversation, does not keep his promises, and, feeling impunity, does base deeds.

Pay to a worker for his work before his sweat dried up.

He who is mild, behaves well, and does not harm others will never be touched by the fires of hell.

An hour spent for gaining useful knowledge is more pleasing to Allah than a whole night spent for praying.

In any time try to be pure…

Specially for men:

Be kind to women…

A noble one is kind to women; a low one is guileful to them.

Respect women…

If you are called by the father and the mother at the same time, come first to the mother.

Good education is the best legacy, which can be handed down to children.

Speak always the truth, even if it is not profitable for you.

Share that, which you know, with others and teach them.

Him, who pitied no one, no one will pity.

Be not a burden for people.

Do not sit down between two sitting people without first asking their permission.

Be economical and do not bring yourselves to destitution.

Do not do things, which then make you conscience-stricken.

The riches consist not in quantity of goods, but in the breadth of the soul.

The knowledge is a treasure, the key to which is inquiry.

Step aside from a fool.

Avoid intoxicating drinks…

Calmness is a gain; confusion is a loss.

Do not be hurry in taking decisions and provide for consequences.

Do not judge anyone from assumptions or if you have doubts.

Exhort every one not to do evil.

If you have to punish the guilty never strike him in the face.

He who wakes up lately closes for himself the door to prosperity.

Any bribe is a sin and an odious source of income.

He who has flared up should break off immediately.

An inhospitable person is an inferior person.

Repay to those who made good to you.

It is a virtuous deed — to forgive the one who offended you, to give to the one who refused to give to you, to stretch a hand of peace to the one who quarrels with you.

O man! If you are not satisfied with the small, the great can satisfy you neither.

Do good deeds without creating buzz.

Do not wish death to yourself or to others.

The one who does not thank people will thank Allah neither.

Everything created by Allah is fine, though people do not always understand it.

Allah created diseases, but He also created medicines for them.

Allah is generous and likes generous people.

For everything there is a way. The way to paradise is opened by knowledge.

Do not be lazy to go for knowledge even to distant China, because gaining knowledge is the main duty of a Muslim.

Panhandling is an indecent occupation.

Begin a meal with remembering about Allah and be not choosy with food.

Gates to well-being are under lock. The key to it is work.

To divine and to believe the words of diviners, foretellers, and sorcerers is meanness.

A bad person is characterized by the following features: he lies in conversation, does not keep his promises, and, feeling impunity, does base deeds.

Pay to a worker for his work before his sweat dried up.

He who is mild, behaves well, and does not harm others will never be touched by the fires of hell.

An hour spent for gaining useful knowledge is more pleasing to Allah than a whole night spent for praying.

In any time try to be pure…

Specially for men:

Be kind to women…

A noble one is kind to women; a low one is guileful to them.

Respect women…

If you are called by the father and the mother at the same time, come first to the mother.

beautyislam.org/sunna.html
FYI half of those are not true…
 
Sam_777, that was bad of you. You should have taken the trouble to mark each bad item. You are spreading doubt about things. In another thread you trying to marry our prophet with the mother Mary. In this thread, you are denouncing some ( almost 50%) good points of islam. That is a large scale misdeed. Come to reality and just deny a few items by mentioning them please.
 
**I am surprised at the long list of good points of Islam presented by bobzills. It is an excellent collection and a good reminder to all of us. May be we could add just one or two more good points in that list otherwise that is a comprehensive list impossible to do any better…**hty.
There is nothing new here except, as someone pointed out, these are the way Muslims are to treat each other [sort of an honor code among thieves]. But Christianity taught these from its beginning, summed up in the Golden Rule,
Treat others [not just Christians] as you want to be treated.
Political Islam defines how the unbelievers are to be dealt with and treated. The circumstances govern which verse is applied. For example:
(Koran of Mecca) *73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity. *
From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:
(Koran of Medina) * 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!” *
After Mohammed appointed himself a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Muslims are taught to imitate Mohammed. So, Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.

The pope was right; Mohammed didn’t bring anything new to the table of the history of the world. Mohammed simply observed, “You can get more with a smile and a sword than you can with just a smile.”
 
But when I am thankful to dan Brown for his excellent work on Da Vinci Code, you get upset. That was also a film and may be a fiction after the fact about secret life of Jesus.
That is a revealed fact about the three years secret life of Jesus. The other early thirty (30) years is still kept in secret. God knows how many affairs are hidden in those 30 years.
If you attack Muhammad on the basis of some man made, written material then please be ready to face the similar attacks from non-Catholics on Jesus about his private life.If you depend on films (videos) to malign Muhammad then face the Da Vinci Code facts too. That is also a film, and a great book, and a great work. We Muslims are not worried if Jesus is married many times and enjoys a good happy married life.
You deny the married life of Jesus. We will confirm and support the good married life of Jesus. Marriage is not a sin as you people might be preaching. The best for you would be to leave off all attacks on Muhammad and also attack on child marriage in some Muslim countries. Because that is not the fault of Islam. It may only be a cultural thing like you have NO MARRIAGE in your christian countries. You people have abolished the marriage and people there do not marry until they have produced an illegal child before marriage.
Planten, this is a quote from you on another thread. You seem to hold a viewpont that Christ was sinful and had affairs as well as was married. If Islam teaches this it is more reason to hate Islam.
Praise Jesus my husband and I have been married almost 35 years. Our first child is 33 years old. Apparently she was NOT born before we married at all.
Please refrain from slandering married faithful Christians ( of which I know many) with these false allegations of “illegal child(ren)”.
 
Planten, this is a quote from you on another thread. You seem to hold a viewpont that Christ was sinful and had affairs as well as was married. If Islam teaches this it is more reason to hate Islam.
Praise Jesus my husband and I have been married almost 35 years. Our first child is 33 years old. Apparently she was NOT born before we married at all.
Please refrain from slandering married faithful Christians ( of which I know many) with these false allegations of “illegal child(ren)”.
Planten is Ahamdi muslim.

They believe Jesus lived to be 120 years old, married, had children, lived in India, died and is buried in India, along with Mother Mary… 🤷
 
Ahmadi Muslim? As in?

**Who are the Ahmadi Muslims? **

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was founded in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed under divine instruction to fulfil the major prophecies contained in Islamic and other sacred texts regarding a world reformer who would unite humanity. He announced to Christians awaiting the second coming of Jesus, Muslims anticipating the Mahdi, Hindus expecting Krishna and Buddhists searching for Buddha, that he was the promised Prophet for them all, commissioned by God to rejuvenate true faith and lead a spiritual struggle against evil.

He also reaffirmed that Islam was the final law for humanity revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, and that true essence of Islam had become lost through the centuries which needed reviving in these times. This is why the Ahmadi Muslims also see themselves as leading the renaissance of Islam.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4009445.ece
 
Ahmadi Muslim? As in?

**Who are the Ahmadi Muslims? **

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was founded in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed under divine instruction to fulfil the major prophecies contained in Islamic and other sacred texts regarding a world reformer who would unite humanity. He announced to Christians awaiting the second coming of Jesus, Muslims anticipating the Mahdi, Hindus expecting Krishna and Buddhists searching for Buddha, that he was the promised Prophet for them all, commissioned by God to rejuvenate true faith and lead a spiritual struggle against evil.

He also reaffirmed that Islam was the final law for humanity revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, and that true essence of Islam had become lost through the centuries which needed reviving in these times. This is why the Ahmadi Muslims also see themselves as leading the renaissance of Islam.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4009445.ece
Yup - 👍

You will also notice the “love for all, hatred for none” that Planten uses.

It’s like their “motto”.
 
Ahmadi Muslim? As in?

**Who are the Ahmadi Muslims? **

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was founded in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed under divine instruction to fulfil the major prophecies contained in Islamic and other sacred texts regarding a world reformer who would unite humanity. He announced to Christians awaiting the second coming of Jesus, Muslims anticipating the Mahdi, Hindus expecting Krishna and Buddhists searching for Buddha, that he was the promised Prophet for them all, commissioned by God to rejuvenate true faith and lead a spiritual struggle against evil.

He also reaffirmed that Islam was the final law for humanity revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, and that true essence of Islam had become lost through the centuries which needed reviving in these times. This is why the Ahmadi Muslims also see themselves as leading the renaissance of Islam.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4009445.ece
Here is the wiki page regarding the Ahmadi and Jesus and Mother Mary - and a few other tid-bits.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Ahmadiyya_Islam
 
bro-i see ur a supporter of hamas (i think they r better than fatah), so we share a similarity 👍
wasalam
Hamas is a terrorist organisation which lately went around shooting the legs on their opponents from the Fatah Movement. They torture their own in prison… They want to wipe the Israeli people out of this world and they have been very clear that all of the world will be conquered by Islam, by means of violence.,. They mentioned the city of Rome as one target. They teach the Palestinian children that death is better than life and that they should blow up Jewish children if they want to be heroes…

In my country we have a saying which goes: “To choose between Colera or the Plague…”

You words show just how a normal western boy can get totally screwed up by Islam. Sorry but you really are sick and you prove to me more and more just how dangerous Islam is, when you say the things you do…
In the 70s a lot of western politicians cooperated with the Soviet and communist ideology while millions died in the Soviet camps… these politicians and other traitors wanted to overthrow their own democracies… these people have had to repent deeply later on.

You are going down a very very bad track if you think you can sympatise with Hamas.
youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
 
Agabriel,

Moslems bought slaves to free them . Slaves that were bought by moslems were not treated as slaves but members of the family.
So are people joining the Church of Satan welcomed.

Why do you think many African Americans are joining Islam now our days because it is the only relgion that didn’t enslave people.
Many Americans are also joining Church of Satan. But that is because America which is a non -Islamic state allows other religions to exist in America. Will Saudi Arabia allow Christian churches to exist in their country like how Americans allow Islamic churches in America?

How many American Moslems do you know in the USA ? They are not oppressed in the USA ? Well you can read Amnesty International Report let see.

Will Saudi Arabia allow Amnesty International or any free press to exist in their land?
What would happen to anybody who wrote anything against Islam in Saudi Arabia?


Today, the common image of Islam being spread by an Arab on camel back riding in off the desert with a Quraan in one hand and a scimitar (a curved sword) in the other offering a choice of either accepting Islaam or losing one’s head.
FYI There is no term in Islam which means “holy war” and the true meaning of jihad is to strive/make effort in the way of Allah. Thus striving in the way of Allah can be both peaceful and physical.
What is the word used in Islam for killing non Muslims; and Muslims who convert to other religions?

The religion did not spread by the sword. There were military confrontations between the Muslim state and the existing world powers of Rome and Persia. However, the areas conquered were put under Muslim administration and the populations were free to maintain their own beliefs. Muslims ruled Egypt, Palestine and Lebanon from the 8th century and sizeable Christian communities continued to exist over the past 13 centuries. Muslims ruled Spain for 700 years and India for 1000 years without the vast majority of the population converting to Islam.

Even Mohammed the founder of Islam went to war killing Arabs that did not embrace his religion (all the while wishing them “Peace be up on you”). He was showering “Peace of Death” on anybody who did not accept his religion.

The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia, having over 300 million citizens, never saw a Muslim soldier. Islam spread there and in Malaysia and Philippines by trade. That was also the case of Islam’s spread in West African countries like Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, Chad and Niger. Also, Islam is the fastest growing religion in America today with anywhere between 500 and 1000 converts daily. This is taking place without any soldiers or even missionaries.

In all the countries above, people are terrorised by crime, looting, killlings, and bloodshed perpetrated by Islamic groups there. Anywhere in the world, we can notice increased violence and crime whereever there are concentrations of Muslim population.
 
There are many. Here are a few truths found in the books of the Holy Tradition of Islam — Sunna (cited from Condition of Faith. Hadiths, Tumen, 1991:
Good education is the best legacy, which can be handed down to children.

Speak always the truth, even if it is not profitable for you.

Share that, which you know, with others and teach them.

Him, who pitied no one, no one will pity.

Be not a burden for people.

Do not sit down between two sitting people without first asking their permission.

Be economical and do not bring yourselves to destitution.

Do not do things, which then make you conscience-stricken.

The riches consist not in quantity of goods, but in the breadth of the soul.

The knowledge is a treasure, the key to which is inquiry.

Step aside from a fool.

Avoid intoxicating drinks…

Calmness is a gain; confusion is a loss.

Do not be hurry in taking decisions and provide for consequences.

Do not judge anyone from assumptions or if you have doubts.

Exhort every one not to do evil.

If you have to punish the guilty never strike him in the face.

He who wakes up lately closes for himself the door to prosperity.

Any bribe is a sin and an odious source of income.

He who has flared up should break off immediately.

An inhospitable person is an inferior person.

Repay to those who made good to you.

It is a virtuous deed — to forgive the one who offended you, to give to the one who refused to give to you, to stretch a hand of peace to the one who quarrels with you.

O man! If you are not satisfied with the small, the great can satisfy you neither.

Do good deeds without creating buzz.

Do not wish death to yourself or to others.

The one who does not thank people will thank Allah neither.

Everything created by Allah is fine, though people do not always understand it.

Allah created diseases, but He also created medicines for them.

Allah is generous and likes generous people.

For everything there is a way. The way to paradise is opened by knowledge.

Do not be lazy to go for knowledge even to distant China, because gaining knowledge is the main duty of a Muslim.

Panhandling is an indecent occupation.

Begin a meal with remembering about Allah and be not choosy with food.

Gates to well-being are under lock. The key to it is work.

To divine and to believe the words of diviners, foretellers, and sorcerers is meanness.

A bad person is characterized by the following features: he lies in conversation, does not keep his promises, and, feeling impunity, does base deeds.

Pay to a worker for his work before his sweat dried up.

He who is mild, behaves well, and does not harm others will never be touched by the fires of hell.

An hour spent for gaining useful knowledge is more pleasing to Allah than a whole night spent for praying.

In any time try to be pure…

Specially for men:

Be kind to women…

A noble one is kind to women; a low one is guileful to them.

Respect women…

If you are called by the father and the mother at the same time, come first to the mother.
Good education is the best legacy, which can be handed down to children.

Speak always the truth, even if it is not profitable for you.

Share that, which you know, with others and teach them.

Him, who pitied no one, no one will pity.

Be not a burden for people.

Do not sit down between two sitting people without first asking their permission.

Be economical and do not bring yourselves to destitution.

Do not do things, which then make you conscience-stricken.

The riches consist not in quantity of goods, but in the breadth of the soul.

The knowledge is a treasure, the key to which is inquiry.

Step aside from a fool.

Avoid intoxicating drinks…

Calmness is a gain; confusion is a loss.

Do not be hurry in taking decisions and provide for consequences.

Do not judge anyone from assumptions or if you have doubts.

Exhort every one not to do evil.

If you have to punish the guilty never strike him in the face.

He who wakes up lately closes for himself the door to prosperity.

Any bribe is a sin and an odious source of income.

He who has flared up should break off immediately.

An inhospitable person is an inferior person.

Repay to those who made good to you.

It is a virtuous deed — to forgive the one who offended you, to give to the one who refused to give to you, to stretch a hand of peace to the one who quarrels with you.
Is it true that in Islam a camel has more rights than a woman?
 


**Who are the Ahmadi Muslims? **

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was founded in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed under divine instruction to fulfil the major prophecies contained in Islamic and other sacred texts regarding a world reformer who would unite humanity. …
I thought Mohammed was supposed to be the final word.
 
**I am surprised at the long list of good points of Islam presented by bobzills. It is an excellent collection and a good reminder to all of us. May be we could add just one or two more good points in that list otherwise that is a comprehensive list impossible to do any better. I am thankful to bobzills.

A good person will always gather good fruits. May Allah bless bobzills for bringing out the truth boldly and reward bobzills with all the more goodness. Thanks to God Almighty. At the same time we praise (Love) Jesus and his mother and all his close real apostles who worked hard to make the real mission of Jesus successful.**hty.
Well, he still hasn’t answered my objections.
 
**J C and D i L, I did not mean to blame the christians enmasse. That is what I had observed by talking to different christians. They were not married and living together for sometime only. So what they were doing?

There must be good law abiding christians too who lived good life in Love with God and Jesus. I do not deny that. It was only my personal observation that couples lived together like husband and wife without marriage.

The reason I felt they were doing such a thing was the restriction on divorce and the love of children. They loved to have children and they knew that divorce was a sin. So they had adopted that kind of procedure of their own. That was not the teaching of the church.

While you blame Islam for every little thing and our prophet with the absolute abuses, I hope there was no harm in discussing what was going on in European christendom. Pardon me, it would be better to admit those bad things than blame me and calling me a liar. Do you deny that sort of sinful living is going on in Paris and other places??

Of course you are not those type of people but there are many there. If you are not one of those bad people, yet you are sinful anyhow, born sinners. What do you say?? That is the church teaching. Is it not?? Muslims do not believe that any one is a born sinner.
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While you blame Islam for every little thing and our prophet with the absolute abuses, I hope there was no harm in discussing what was going on in European christendom. Pardon me, it would be better to admit those bad things than blame me and calling me a liar. Do you deny that sort of sinful living is going on in Paris and other places??

Of course you are not those type of people but there are many there. If you are not one of those bad people, yet you are sinful anyhow, born sinners. What do you say?? That is the church teaching. Is it not?? Muslims do not believe that any one is a born sinner.
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Christians Believe that because of Adam and Eve’s sin that we are all born sinners this is the teaching of the church and has been for two thousand years. Jesus came for sinners.

It is very sinful to live with another person of the opposet sex without being married Unless they of course are family. Using the fear of divorce as an excuse to live unmarried with someone is unacceptable. The church does say it is wrong and unlawful but apparently not every christian listens to the truth when it contradicts what they want.

Peace

HickmanJosh
 
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