Why do you hate Islam?

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ZAKI said:
Can you give your statement some evidence?? (and I dont want links from sites like: jihadwatch, anti-islam.org, conspiracytheories.net, etc.
And no there is many times when the murderer had a sword or weapon in one hand and a bible in the other-such as the times during the dark ages when priests used to burn so called “witches”.
wasalam
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Sure I can.
tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
This is a bunch of photos of the Grand Mufti, his meetings with Hitler and his Muslim SS troops.
What do you think, that I am lying to you? Why would I? Its not my fault you did not learn about this in school.

As for the Middle Ages and inquisition.
Yes, they did persecute witches with the Bible in hand. And yes they were wrong in their methods. And yes they were not in line with Christ when they tortured and sentenced people to death. Thank God that was a rather short time in history where the Church was political in a way that was never intended by Christ. Thank God we dont have such trials anymore… unlike they do in Islam where such barbarity continues to this day in the system of sharia.
Thank God also that we as Christians dont have to justify such behaviour today, but we can honestly say that people of the church have sinned… because they were not in line with the example of Christ.
Thats the problem you have with Muhammad. You can’t condemn sin without admitting that Muhammad sinned… so you stay silent.
 
GraceDK said:
Sure I can.
tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
This is a bunch of photos of the Grand Mufti, his meetings with Hitler and his Muslim SS troops.
What do you think, that I am lying to you? Why would I? Its not my fault you did not learn about this in school.

As for the Middle Ages and inquisition.
Yes, they did persecute witches with the Bible in hand. And yes they were wrong in their methods. And yes they were not in line with Christ when they tortured and sentenced people to death. Thank God that was a rather short time in history where the Church was political in a way that was never intended by Christ. Thank God we dont have such trials anymore… unlike they do in Islam where such barbarity continues to this day in the system of sharia.
Thank God also that we as Christians dont have to justify such behaviour today, but we can honestly say that people of the church have sinned… because they were not in line with the example of Christ.
Thats the problem you have with Muhammad. You can’t condemn sin without admitting that Muhammad sinned… so you stay silent.
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I dont believe Muhammed (pbuh) did sin and I have posted a link to an audio explaining a few things which no body seems to want to watch. (or everybody that does watch it stays silent).

wasalam
 
GraceDK said:
Sure I can.
tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
This is a bunch of photos of the Grand Mufti, his meetings with Hitler and his Muslim SS troops.
What do you think, that I am lying to you? Why would I? Its not my fault you did not learn about this in school.

As for the Middle Ages and inquisition.
Yes, they did persecute witches with the Bible in hand. And yes they were wrong in their methods. And yes they were not in line with Christ when they tortured and sentenced people to death. Thank God that was a rather short time in history where the Church was political in a way that was never intended by Christ. Thank God we dont have such trials anymore… unlike they do in Islam where such barbarity continues to this day in the system of sharia.
Thank God also that we as Christians dont have to justify such behaviour today, but we can honestly say that people of the church have sinned… because they were not in line with the example of Christ.
Thats the problem you have with Muhammad. You can’t condemn sin without admitting that Muhammad sinned… so you stay silent.
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You have just shot yourself in the foot there because shariah is not followed in barely any country…and the countries that do follow it are not following it correctly.

wasalam
 
Yes brother JC.So if it is permissible in SA and Malaysia then I will not be surprised if all Muslim countries will permit such things.;).Actually Islam encouraged such things,although Muslims claim that it(divorce) is discouraged in Islam.
 
ZAKI said:
You have just shot yourself in the foot there because shariah is not followed in barely any country…and the countries that do follow it are not following it correctly.

wasalam
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ZAKI, beware what you have stepped into and embraced.

youtube.com/watch?v=Oipj0ull_ns

A shocking video about Anti Semitism… the GrandMufti of Jerusalem, Hitler and how Islams war against Jewry is only the front line of what happens to the rest of the kafur…

Stop hiding your head in the bush. How is it that you are here preaching to people when your own brothers are out doing the stuff seen in this video.
Dare you not watch… Yea, you are ot going to like it. Especially the Muslim imams that preach in the video must be hard for a young western democratic man to listen to…

As for sharia. Its like the communist idea… some few people still hold to its greatness but mostly have given up after the death of millions in the name of communism. It was not doable… to create the pure class free society. Neither is it possible to create a califath without death and supression like you see in Iran now.
You believe that the countries who practice sharia are not doing it correctly. Why would you have the right interpretation, Zaki?
Does not Muhammad sanction stoning, flogging, polygamy, wife beating, strange divorce rules, marriage of little girls, maiming of bodies, torture, and crucifixion? Yes he does… in the Hadith and Koran, Maybe its you who just cant bear that Sharia is equal to barbarity of middle age inquisition.
you want us to see your links… but I have read in Koran and Hadith, why is that not good enough for you? why does it need to be watered down. Its there black on white.
 
WillieWonka said:
Was it OK in the past? If so, might it be OK at some future time? Under what conditions?
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****Christians follow Jesus Christ and His teachings.
Jesus Christ had never asked anybody to kill anybody else.
He taught his followers to love their enemies- not kill them, whether they be heretics or kafirs
He had asked his followers to forgive others and show the left cheek to one who has hit you on the right cheek.

There are numerous denominations of Christians, and there are many members in each denomination. I addition to strict followers of Christ’s teachings, you can find among them thieves, murderers, rapists, pedofiles, etc. who are only namesake christians.
Just because they have enrolled in a Christian organisation or have a Christian name (like Thomas or John) will not make them or their actions Christian.

But with Mohammed, things are very different. He taught and practiced jihad, had gone to war, and had killed people who refused to join his religion. He was a pedofile, and made islamic laws to justify his lusts and adultrous behaviors.

You may find good and bad people among Christans as well as Muslims
But you can never compare Jesus with Mohammed, because they are poles apart.****
 
GraceDK said:
ZAKI, beware what you have stepped into and embraced.

youtube.com/watch?v=Oipj0ull_ns

A shocking video about Anti Semitism… the GrandMufti of Jerusalem, Hitler and how Islams war against Jewry is only the front line of what happens to the rest of the kafur…

Stop hiding your head in the bush. How is it that you are here preaching to people when your own brothers are out doing the stuff seen in this video.
Dare you not watch… Yea, you are ot going to like it. Especially the Muslim imams that preach in the video must be hard for a young western democratic man to listen to…

As for sharia. Its like the communist idea… some few people still hold to its greatness but mostly have given up after the death of millions in the name of communism. It was not doable… to create the pure class free society. Neither is it possible to create a califath without death and supression like you see in Iran now.
You believe that the countries who practice sharia are not doing it correctly. Why would you have the right interpretation, Zaki?
Does not Muhammad sanction stoning, flogging, polygamy, wife beating, strange divorce rules, marriage of little girls, maiming of bodies, torture, and crucifixion? Yes he does… in the Hadith and Koran, Maybe its you who just cant bear that Sharia is equal to barbarity of middle age inquisition.
you want us to see your links… but I have read in Koran and Hadith, why is that not good enough for you? why does it need to be watered down. Its there black on white.
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see my link. it is only a few minutes…it will answer a few things for you
actually torture is forbidden in islam and so is maiming of the body and crucifixion.
anyway see the link. i see yours so it is only fair.

wasalam
 
ZAKI said:
There has to be a reason behind the divorce for it to be valid…also has a christian never divorced someone using text-messaging?

wasalam
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Dear Zaki,when A Christian has divorced someone using text-messaging?Can you show me any news?BTW, Christianity does not permit divorce so if any crazy christian ever did so then no one can blame Christianity.But Islam permit divorce and also permit polygamy and taking mistress.So if muslims easily divorce than people can blame islam for it.In **my view point **polygamy is nothing but perversion.A man must have to be faithful to his wife,if he is a good man.Wife should be the badge of honor for a man.So it is really very bad if a man dishonor himself and his wife by taking more than one wife.And taking mistress is really sick,I do not want to say anything about it.

God bless
 
WillieWonka said:
“If you judge the religion by its original followers and Jesus and Muhammad who founded Christianity and Islam respectively, it is more than obvious which one is from God.”

I suppose we could also judge a religion by all its followers down through the centuries. By that standard, it’s not at all obvious.
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You obviously didn’t read and/or comprehend the jist of this conversation. Zaki said we shouldn’t judge a religion by its followers, but could judge the religion by the original followers/founders, i.e. Jesus and Muhammad. And yes, in that case, it IS more than obvious.
 
ZAKI said:
could you please check the link that I posted first and tell me what you think.

Thank you. 🙂

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Why would I need to check your link first before you can tell me what was inaccurate in my post? :confused:

If I have time later I may check it out, but I’m anticipating it being a ‘feel good’, non-objective propaganda piece about how wonderful Muhammad was without mentioning the truth of his life. I have no doubt that Muhammad may have done some very nice things for some people in his life - so did many other very bad people. That doesn’t take away the horrible things he did especially since he was suppose to be a “prophet” of God.
 
Jay53 said:
Why would I need to check your link first before you can tell me what was inaccurate in my post? :confused:

If I have time later I may check it out, but I’m anticipating it being a ‘feel good’, non-objective propaganda piece about how wonderful Muhammad was without mentioning the truth of his life. I have no doubt that Muhammad may have done some very nice things for some people in his life - so did many other very bad people. That doesn’t take away the horrible things he did especially since he was suppose to be a “prophet” of God.
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no. it explains some of what you think is his horrible things he did such as his “pedophilia” so called with his wife aisha (ra)

wasakam
 
WillieWonka said:
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I’d look for references in news wires or newspapers. For example, each execution in Saudi Arabia is posted in the newspaper with a summary of the crime and the findings of the court. That would be a record of actual events. I think there is a tendency for people to look at law and religious text and presume they are really enforced.
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If the law is on the books, then they have the death penalty for apostasy.
So, I ask again. Where are apostates actually executed?
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"You obviously didn’t read and/or comprehend the jist of this conversation. Zaki said we shouldn’t judge a religion by its followers, but could judge the religion by the original followers/founders, i.e. Jesus and Muhammad. And yes, in that case, it IS more than obvious."

I realize Zaki said that, and I say we should judge a religion my its followers. Why shouldn’t we?

I’m reminded of the old Soviets who demanded we judge them by their written constitution and laws, while ignoring the slaughter that actully was happening.
 
GraceDK said:
What kind of oath though? to kill in the name of Christ and make a theocracy? Or do you not rather mean a nationalistic oath taken with old Christian-national symbols?
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I don’t want to mention the symbols, since it could be seen as sacriligeous. But it was a case of Christians fighting Christians. I don’t understand why this animosity developed, but you can read about it yourself. Probably it is off topic from this thread.
 
WillieWonka said:
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I realize Zaki said that, and I say we should judge a religion my its followers. Why shouldn’t we?
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I think we should first determine by some objective standard whether that which is being judged is in fact what it claims to be.
 
ZAKI said:
youtube.com/watch?v=w-0Ms7mId34
youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related

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Not nearly good enough. I watched them fall. I saw the planes. And our government has the proof.
I do not blame Islam for 9/11. I blame the evil deeds the hijackers did. They were middle eastern men. I blame them for their deeds. Not Islam.
But it was done by hijackers. And the buildings collapsed because they were never designed to be hit with such force. It is no surprise they fell.
 
sedonaman said:
If the law is on the books, then they have the death penalty for apostasy.

Do killings by vigilantes, mobs, and family members, sometimes with state acquiescence, count?
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Laws are often on books yet not enforced. that’s why I asked where people were executed today for apostasy.

No. Only officially sanctioned government executions count, In what country are they happening today?
 
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