Why do you want Catholic Communion??????!!??!?!

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So I have noticed many non Catholics complaining about not being allowed to take Communion in the Catholic Church. Many are Lutherans (not all) that complain. Why would you want to take Communion in a Church that you are not in communion with? Why would you want to take Communion with a Church that you disagree with? As a Catholic, I have no desire to take Communion in any Church rather than my own. When I visit my Anglo-Catholic and Episcopalian family members, I do not communion in their parish. I would b allowed by their standards, but out of respect for my faith and their faith, I sit and say a silent prayer. 🤷
 
aidanbradypop said:
So I have noticed many non Catholics complaining about not being allowed to take Communion in the Catholic Church. Many are Lutherans (not all) that complain. Why would you want to take Communion in a Church that you are not in communion with? Why would you want to take Communion with a Church that you disagree with? As a Catholic, I have no desire to take Communion in any Church rather than my own. When I visit my Anglo-Catholic and Episcopalian family members, I do not communion in their parish. I would b allowed by their standards, but out of respect for my faith and their faith, I sit and say a silent prayer. 🤷
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I think, in all honestly, that some misinterpret the ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans. They think the desire for mutual Eucharistic hospitality as part of a growing reality of unity actually translates into Eucharistic hospitality *before *doctrinal unity. Further, there is a belief within more liberal Lutheran and Anglican circles that all Eucharists in all settings should be open to all believers - open communion.

The desire should be, as expressed by Pope Benedict when he visited the Lutheran Church in Rome, that we should work toward and want to come to unity so that we can share our altars with each other. The desire should be that Lutherans and Catholics can receive next to each other in doctrinal unity. Until then, we should reflect and pray on the sad reality of our division, and pray for unity.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
I think, in all honestly, that some misinterpret the ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans. They think the desire for mutual Eucharistic hospitality as part of a growing reality of unity actually translates into Eucharistic hospitality *before *doctrinal unity. Further, there is a belief within more liberal Lutheran and Anglican circles that all Eucharists in all settings should be open to all believers - open communion.

The desire should be, as expressed by Pope Benedict when he visited the Lutheran Church in Rome, that we should work toward and want to come to unity so that we can share our altars with each other. The desire should be that Lutherans and Catholics can receive next to each other in doctrinal unity. Until then, we should reflect and pray on the sad reality of our division, and pray for unity.

Jon
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You have heard me talk about my friend that was once an ELCA pastor. His son married a Catholic gal and my friend was outraged that his’ side of the family could not partake in th Eucharist at the Mass of the marriage of his son.
 
There is a misplaced sense of freedom and rights at work. My protestant buddy’s favorite thing to say is “communion should be for everybody”. But when asked why he would participate in something he does not give his assent to, he has no answer. It should just be “for everybody”. As though a persons freedom to do something trumps the reality that is present.
(BTW…this is the same rationale used for abortion in many cases)
 
aidanbradypop said:
You have heard me talk about my friend that was once an ELCA pastor. His son married a Catholic gal and my friend was outraged that his’ side of the family could not partake in th Eucharist at the Mass of the marriage of his son.
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He may be part of that movement, particularly where a family has members in both communions, that wants mutual Eucharistic hospitality.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
He may be part of that movement, particularly where a family has members in both communions, that wants mutual Eucharistic hospitality.

Jon
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He is. He believe all should be allowed to partake in one communion.
 
aidanbradypop said:
He is. He believe all should be allowed to partake in one communion.
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Yes, so it isn’t a view that Catholic Eucharists are somehow better than Lutheran or Anglican, etc., but that they are all in fact equal and the same and should be open to all believers. They want Catholic communion because they want to commune with Catholics, too.

Jon
 
A lot of people want to have and experience unity as Christians that transcends differences in theology and denomination. They especially yearn for this when attending church with friends or family.

I never liked inviting non-Catholics to Mass because of this. Its so awkward for me.
 
JonNC said:
Yes, so it isn’t a view that Catholic Eucharists are somehow better than Lutheran or Anglican, etc., but that they are all in fact equal and the same and should be open to all believers. They want Catholic communion because they want to commune with Catholics, too.

Jon
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See that is what I find confusing. Why communion with someone that you disagree with? All Eucharist are not the same in the view of a Catholic. I’m sure you know that by now from being here a bit.
 
JonNC said:
With some, there is certainly an aspect of “entitlement”, though not with all. i suspect that most believe this is the way Christ would want it, institutional differences notwithstanding.

Jon
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Christ also wants ONE Church as well with ONE Eucharist as well. Stop protesting lol 😛
 
I’d like to see some answers from non-Catholics…🙂

A coworker, (Lutheran, I think) asked rhetorically: “Who are *you *to tell me I can’t have Communion?” Frankly, he’s insulted by being excluded. My response is always the same, “You’re excluding yourself. Join the club and you can have Communion.”
 
My opinion:

The Sacrament of the Eucharist is a the means of God’s gift of unmerited salvation to us - so any attempt to withhold God form His adopted children need to be more important than salvation.

The line of reasoning that “you must be one of us” to receive Jesus has always struck me as being more political than Gospel.

The reasoning that “we don’t want you to eat an drink judgment upon yourself” seems to me to be the correct and loving pastoral duty of the church.
 
benjohnson said:
My opinion:

The Sacrament of the Eucharist is a the means of God’s gift of unmerited salvation to us - so any attempt to withhold God form His adopted children need to be more important than salvation.

The line of reasoning that “you must be one of us” to receive Jesus has always struck me as being more political than Gospel.

The reasoning that “we don’t want you to eat an drink judgment upon yourself” seems to me to be the correct and loving pastoral duty of the church.
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That is the one I tend to use most often. It has Scripture to back it up. Then I bring in the “cross the Tiber” and we can eat together 😉
 
on_the_hill said:
I’d like to see some answers from non-Catholics…🙂

A coworker, (Lutheran, I think) asked rhetorically: “Who are *you *to tell me I can’t have Communion?” Frankly, he’s insulted by being excluded. My response is always the same, “You’re excluding yourself. Join the club and you can have Communion.”
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Its the same response I get about the Missouri Synod practice of close communion. Some ELCA friends are insulted by our practice. One I know compared it to “works righteousness”.

Again, their POV is that there should be no man-made barriers to His means of grace, no membership requirement is relevent, except faith.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Its the same response I get about the Missouri Synod practice of close communion. Some ELCA friends are insulted by our practice. One I know compared it to “works righteousness”.

Again, their POV is that there should be no man-made barriers to His means of grace, no membership requirement is relevent, except faith.

Jon
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Any idea where this train of thought stems from?
 
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