Why do you want Catholic Communion??????!!??!?!

[on_the_hill]

From a Lutheran perspective, I would consider “church-hopping” by a Lutheran to be evidence of a lack of good catechesis.

That’s my brother-in-law. Grew up Lutheran, then tried different denominations until he found a Presbyterian church that had a congregation he liked.

Personally, I don’t have a problem with it, other than he drew my sister and, by default, their children along with him.

My nephew/godson was baptized in the Church. He now attends the Presbyterian church, and at age 12, I don’t think he’s ever received Communion yet. If he has, it happened without any mention of it.

 

[TheIrishman]

I only want Catholic Communion when I am baptized Catholic. Which may be by next Easter Vigil.

 

[Nicea325]

So I have noticed many non Catholics complaining about not being allowed to take Communion in the Catholic Church. Many are Lutherans (not all) that complain. Why would you want to take Communion in a Church that you are not in communion with? Why would you want to take Communion with a Church that you disagree with? As a Catholic, I have no desire to take Communion in any Church rather than my own. When I visit my Anglo-Catholic and Episcopalian family members, I do not communion in their parish. I would b allowed by their standards, but out of respect for my faith and their faith, I sit and say a silent prayer.

The church is not going to alter its teachings in order to satisfy a few complainers. Why does the church have to give them Communion? Because they say so? Please! Well if they want it so bad,then convert to Catholicism.

 

[Nicea325]

I only want Catholic Communion when I am baptized Catholic. Which may be by next Easter Vigil.

I’ll pray for you.

 

[steido01]

Side question for perspective: is it common for Lutheran weddings (I mean where both spouse are Lutheran, not mixed marriages) to be in the context of the mass (or liturgy for those Lutherans who dislike the word “mass”)?

If both spouses are Lutheran, the wedding will almost certainly be accompanied by Divine Service. I’ve never seen a Lutheran-Lutheran wedding that did not. The Rite of Marriage can also take place outside of Divine Service (helpful in mixed marriages). From the Lutheran Service Book:

This rite is designed for use at the beginning of the Divine Service or Daily Office. It may also stand by itself as an independent order of service.

P.S.- I appreciate your respectful efforts to speak “Lutheranese” in regards to what the service is called, but please don’t feel that you’re offending us if you call “Divine Service” “Mass.” I’ve never known a Lutheran to be offended at the term, and our Confessions are rather explicit: “We do not abolish the Mass but religiously keep and defend it. In our churches Mass is celebrated every Sunday and on other festivals, when the sacrament is offered to those who wish for it after they have been examined and absolved. (Apology XXIV:1)”

 

[Corki]

Where did this term “Eucharistic hospitality” come from? Is it a Catholic concept at all or limited to those denominations that practice open communion?

 

[JonNC]

Amen Jon…

My comments were not so much directed at the Lutheran communion as toward the types of Churches that tend to embrace the “personal relationship” mantra.

Peace
James

I understood that, James. My complaint is that your criticism now applies to some Lutheran synods, seeing my more liberal Lutheran siblings (read: ELCA) open up communion to denominations that don’t even acknowledge the real presence. If the Table is open to all, then membership in any group actually means nothing. It is really sad to see. Frankly, I’d rather take the heat for being “narrow minded”.

Jon

 

[JRKH]

I understood that, James. My complaint is that your criticism now applies to some Lutheran synods, seeing my more liberal Lutheran siblings (read: ELCA) open up communion to denominations that don’t even acknowledge the real presence. If the Table is open to all, then membership in any group actually means nothing. It is really sad to see. Frankly, I’d rather take the heat for being “narrow minded”.

Jon

I agree completely Jon. We ARE talking about our faith and beliefs and our eternal destination and pleasing God by following Him correctly. The beliefs of the group we belong to should mean something…in fact it should mean EVERYTHING.
Like you - I’ll take the heat for being “narrow minded”…I figure a narrow mind will better fit the narrow gate.

Peace
James

 

[JonNC]

I agree completely Jon. We ARE talking about our faith and beliefs and our eternal destination and pleasing God by following Him correctly. The beliefs of the group we belong to should mean something…in fact it should mean EVERYTHING.
Like you - I’ll take the heat for being “narrow minded”…I figure a narrow mind will better fit the narrow gate.

Peace
James

I agree. I also think that, in the future, there is a better chance of unity among communions who are willing to be steadfast in their beliefs.

Jon

 

[Peter_J]

Originally Posted by Peter J
Not meaning to pry, of course, but what is your husband official church affiliation? The Catholic Church does sometimes (although fairly rarely) permit intercommunion – for example, a member of the PNCC can receive communion from a Catholic priest.

I guess so, if he didn’t make a switch at some point. (I asked because I thought perhaps he had become, say, Anglo-Catholic at some point.)

 

[JRKH]

I agree. I also think that, in the future, there is a better chance of unity among communions who are willing to be steadfast in their beliefs.

Jon

Absolutely - and while that might sound counter-intuitive…The steadfast groups who are willing to discuss doctrinal differences deeply and charitably will often find more and more common ground. At least that has been my experience.

Peace
James

 

[steido01]

Where did this term “Eucharistic hospitality” come from? Is it a Catholic concept at all or limited to those denominations that practice open communion?

It’s simply a polite term used to describe who is welcome to the rail - it doesn’t necessarily have an “open communion” connotation. I’m not sure who actually coined the phrase, but it has been used by many different denominations - including the RCC.

I know the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis uses it in their explanation of the agreement they have with the local ELCA synod for joint marriages. (Once upon a time, I was a sponge for information about Lutheran-Catholic weddings ).

 

[benjohnson]

I get to plead stupid here since I have no idea what, “pain benit” is…

Peace
James

No worries! - here’s what it looks like from the pews:

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It’s basically ‘blessed bread’ that is shared in faith - as I understand it, it comes from a time when most people didn’t commune. From my viewpoint- it takes the ‘sting’ on not being able to commune out of the situation. I encountered very infrequently in France, but it still goes on.

anglicanexfide.blogspot.com/2010/08/antidoron-pain-benit-and-sunday-loaf.html

 

[Ad_Crucem]

I agree completely Jon. We ARE talking about our faith and beliefs and our eternal destination and pleasing God by following Him correctly. The beliefs of the group we belong to should mean something…in fact it should mean EVERYTHING.
Like you - I’ll take the heat for being “narrow minded”…I figure a narrow mind will better fit the narrow gate.

Peace
James

I will second that.

 

[Ad_Crucem]

No worries! - here’s what it looks like from the pews:

It’s basically ‘blessed bread’ that is shared in faith - as I understand it, it comes from a time when most people didn’t commune. From my viewpoint- it takes the ‘sting’ on not being able to commune out of the situation. I encountered very infrequently in France, but it still goes on.

anglicanexfide.blogspot.com/2010/08/antidoron-pain-benit-and-sunday-loaf.html

On that note, happy Augsburg day

 

[Peter_J]

P.S.- I appreciate your respectful efforts to speak “Lutheranese” in regards to what the service is called, but please don’t feel that you’re offending us if you call “Divine Service” “Mass.” I’ve never known a Lutheran to be offended at the term, and our Confessions are rather explicit: “We do not abolish the Mass but religiously keep and defend it. In our churches Mass is celebrated every Sunday and on other festivals, when the sacrament is offered to those who wish for it after they have been examined and absolved. (Apology XXIV:1)”

Oddly enough, I didn’t realize (or had forgotten) that you say “Divine Service”. We Eastern Catholics (like the Eastern Orthodox) say “Divine Liturgy”. Plus we have antidoron, which as you say apparently is equivalent to your pain benit.

 

[Ad_Crucem]

Oddly enough, I didn’t realize (or had forgotten) that you say “Divine Service”. We Eastern Catholics (like the Eastern Orthodox) say “Divine Liturgy”. Plus we have antidoron, which apparently is equivalent to your pain benit.

The term comes from the German phrase for the Mass, which is Gottesdienst. Loosely, it would mean the “God serving the people,” hence, “Divine Service.” Incidentally, though liturgy is often called work of the people, it would also be better translated as God’s work for the people.

 

[benjohnson]

On that note, happy Augsburg day

A happy day to proclaim the gospel!

Welcome to CAF - while our dear Catholic friends (and others!) are fun to spar with, their hospitality and love of Christ are great to be around.

 

[Miriam1947]

I guess I would ask the same question as to why some Catholics want to receive Communion in an Orthodox church.

Both of the religions are apostolic and the Orthodox are welcome to receive in a Catholic Church.

It is the Orthodox who want nothing to do with us as far as communion goes.

 

[Peter_J]

Both of the religions are apostolic and the Orthodox are welcome to receive in a Catholic Church.

It is the Orthodox who want nothing to do with us as far as communion goes.

True. (I think Constantine was assuming all that in his post.)