Why does God allow this to happen?

[GEddie]

Jesus had 3 not so good years, 3 days of intense suffering, the other 30 years must have been fun in some way. He was like Adam, no original sin to weigh him down, no psychological problems to weigh him down, a loving mother, a job he was good at and enjoyed doing.

He also had a human Dad who died when He was not much more than 12 years old; had to support his mother financially from that point on; had to absorb her grief on top of His own.

He also knew at some point how His human life was going to end. Can you imagine, being young and full of life, knowing that your friends will build boats and sail them; plant grapes and drink the wine; have wives and children to love and be loved by, while you are destined to hang by your limbs and bleed to death?

Knowing that there is no point to pursuing a female relationship (although He was perfectly young and strong, and so able to desire such), because one has an appointment with a young death?

Being all alone with this sorrow because no-one around Him would understand? They didn’t call Him the Man of Sorrows for nothing.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[tonyrey]

He also had a human Dad who died when He was not much more than 12 years old; had to support his mother financially from that point on; had to absorb her grief on top of His own.

He also knew at some point how His human life was going to end. Can you imagine, being young and full of life, knowing that your friends will build boats and sail them; plant grapes and drink the wine; have wives and children to love and be loved by, while you are destined to hang by your limbs and bleed to death?

Knowing that there is no point to pursuing a female relationship (although He was perfectly young and strong, and so able to desire such), because one has an appointment with a young death?

Being all alone with this sorrow because no-one around Him would understand? They didn’t call Him the Man of Sorrows for nothing.

ICXC NIKA.

A superb post!

 

[Amandil]

“Humility” is desirable in itself only if one is coming from a Christian or otherwise theistic perspective; the person you responded to is not.

ICXC NIKA

Humility is defined as living in accordance with the truth.

If we’re Catholic Christians, we must conclude that the Church is true.

Therefore, we must conclude that humility means living in accordance with the teachings of the Church-this includes the very basic principles in regards to objective morality and natural law, which is written onto all our hearts(see Romans 1:18 and following)

To do otherwise is by definition not humble.

So “perspective” is really irrelevant.

 

[GEddie]

Humility is defined as living in accordance with the truth.

If we’re Catholic Christians, we must conclude that the Church is true.

Therefore, we must conclude that humility means living in accordance with the teachings of the Church-this includes the very basic principles in regards to objective morality and natural law, which is written onto all our hearts(see Romans 1:18 and following)

To do otherwise is by definition not humble.

So “perspective” is really irrelevant.

Not really, as if one is not Catholic or Christian, none of what you have said is accepted.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Amandil]

Not really, as if one is not Catholic Christian, none of what you have said is accepted.

ICXC NIKA

That’s ultimately irrelevant.

Their lack of intellectual assent has no bearing on the truth. The Catholic Church is objectively true even if they don’t believe it. Their resistence to believe this truth despite evidence to the contrary is an offense to the virtue of humility. Its them saying, “I would rather believe what I want to believe rather than believe in the truth.”

 

[openmind77]

news-hound.org/5-month-old-baby-left-in-car-seat-for-8-days-no-food-water-or-diaper-changes-dies/

This precious little boy died suffering from an infection from not getting his diaper changed for 8 days they also did not feed him for 8 days, why does God allow such terrible people to have children? I’ve literally cried for an hours after reading this he probably was crying up until he passed since his fists were clenched the report said how could they just ignore him? How could God not put into thier minds to get up and take care of him?

I can’t understand how God’s mysterious ways work? How can he let children die in such terrible ways, how could he let us kill even the unborn?

I’ve been catholic for a while now and still cant’ grasp the reason behind suffering like this.
I just needed to vent this upset me so bad sorry if it or I upset any of you in the process

I would like to answer this from the Hindu point of view. Before I do that, other than the medical facts, we don’t really know how much the boy suffered - maybe God ameliorated his pain in some way that we are not aware of.

Anyway, according to the Hindu view, the suffering one has to bear is usually the result of past actions -in this life or a previous life. If the boy had made someone else suffer in a similar fashion in his previous life, this is the result of that action - ie result of his karma. The working of karma is like the laws of motion - it happens automatically - God does intervene unless asked to. This does not mean that we should not feel sorrow and sympathy for the boy, it is just an explanation for events - we should definitely do our best to prevent such things and feel heartbroken if they do occur…

 

[Dorothy]

I would like to answer this from the Hindu point of view. Before I do that, other than the medical facts, we don’t really know how much the boy suffered - maybe God ameliorated his pain in some way that we are not aware of.

Anyway, according to the Hindu view, the suffering one has to bear is usually the result of past actions -in this life or a previous life. If the boy had made someone else suffer in a similar fashion in his previous life, this is the result of that action - ie result of his karma. The working of karma is like the laws of motion - it happens automatically - God does intervene unless asked to. This does not mean that we should not feel sorrow and sympathy for the boy, it is just an explanation for events - we should definitely do our best to prevent such things and feel heartbroken if they do occur…

Christians do not believe in reincarnation. The sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ is enough for one life.

Peace…

 

[Amandil]

I would like to answer this from the Hindu point of view. Before I do that, other than the medical facts, we don’t really know how much the boy suffered - maybe God ameliorated his pain in some way that we are not aware of.

Anyway, according to the Hindu view, the suffering one has to bear is usually the result of past actions -in this life or a previous life. If the boy had made someone else suffer in a similar fashion in his previous life, this is the result of that action - ie result of his karma. The working of karma is like the laws of motion - it happens automatically - God does intervene unless asked to. This does not mean that we should not feel sorrow and sympathy for the boy, it is just an explanation for events - we should definitely do our best to prevent such things and feel heartbroken if they do occur…

How exactly does this solve the problem of suffering? What of the suffering of one who hasn’t offended “karma”? Is an 8-year-old child suffering from leukemia “karma”? For what exactly?

Is a guy who has been thrown out of his house and made homeless with his family “karma”?

And what does it mean if others try to help that child with cancer or the homeless family either by their time, talent, or treasure? Is that an offense against karma? Is their help only going to prolong the suffering if the child and/or the homeless family? Or is it going to cause karma for those who helped them because they offended karma by obstructing karma’s ability to give sufficient suffering for the child or the homeless family?

Is “feeling heartbroken” all that is done in the Hindu religion?

 

[GEddie]

How exactly does this solve the problem of suffering? What of the suffering of one who hasn’t offended “karma”? Is an 8-year-old child suffering from leukemia “karma”? For what exactly?

Is a guy who has been thrown out of his house and made homeless with his family “karma”?

And what does it mean if others try to help that child with cancer or the homeless family either by their time, talent, or treasure? Is that an offense against karma? Is their help only going to prolong the suffering if the child and/or the homeless family? Or is it going to cause karma for those who helped them because they offended karma by obstructing karma’s ability to give sufficient suffering for the child or the homeless family?

Is “feeling heartbroken” all that is done in the Hindu religion?

Karma originates from previous lifetimes. Remember, Hinduism holds that we reincarnate after death.

So from that perspective, the leukemic child would have karma, from his previous life. So would the members of the homeless family.

If one does not hold to the teaching of reincarnation, then karmic debt makes no sense.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[openmind77]

How exactly does this solve the problem of suffering? What of the suffering of one who hasn’t offended “karma”? Is an 8-year-old child suffering from leukemia “karma”? For what exactly?

Is a guy who has been thrown out of his house and made homeless with his family “karma”?

And what does it mean if others try to help that child with cancer or the homeless family either by their time, talent, or treasure? Is that an offense against karma? Is their help only going to prolong the suffering if the child and/or the homeless family? Or is it going to cause karma for those who helped them because they offended karma by obstructing karma’s ability to give sufficient suffering for the child or the homeless family?

Is “feeling heartbroken” all that is done in the Hindu religion?

Karma is not a ‘thing’ that is offended. Karma is your own past actions (and words/thoughts). These past actions can be from this life or previous lives. So only you are responsible for the misfortunes that fall on you. You can not ‘offend’ karma. Helping someone will actually earn you good karma (never will helping cause anything bad).

I think we have to wait for the Return of the Christ who will teach us about karma and reincarnation for it to be accepted by everyone. He will be here is in at most 2-3 years…

 

[GEddie]

Karma is not a ‘thing’ that is offended. Karma is your own past actions (and words/thoughts). These past actions can be from this life or previous lives. So only you are responsible for the misfortunes that fall on you. You can not ‘offend’ karma. Helping someone will actually earn you good karma (never will helping cause anything bad).

I think we have to wait for the Return of the Christ who will teach us about karma and reincarnation for it to be accepted by everyone. He will be here is in at most 2-3 years…

Being Hindu is cool, but you are a wee bit confused if you think our LORD when He comes is going to teach anybody about reincarnation.

He’s not in that line of business and never mentioned it the first time.

ICXC NIKA

 

[openmind77]

Being Hindu is cool, but you are a wee bit confused if you think our LORD when He comes is going to teach anybody about reincarnation.

He’s not in that line of business and never mentioned it the first time.

ICXC NIKA

He probably did not think people of the middle east were ready to hear it to mention it back then (or maybe it was suppressed later)

In any case, I don’t think either of us can decide what he will or will not teach.

Just don’t be very surprised if he does teach about reincarnation and karma (some will actually reject him if he does that).

 

[Amandil]

Karma is not a ‘thing’ that is offended. Karma is your own past actions (and words/thoughts). These past actions can be from this life or previous lives. So only you are responsible for the misfortunes that fall on you. You can not ‘offend’ karma. Helping someone will actually earn you good karma (never will helping cause anything bad).

Yet again I appeal to the homeless family and the child with cancer. Exactly how are they responsible for their “misfortunes”?

And how do you explain the success of others who do not have major “misfortune” but live very plush lives at the expense of others?

Hinduism seems to cause more problems and questions than it answers.

That’s why I didn’t buy into it.

I think we have to wait for the Return of the Christ who will teach us about karma and reincarnation for it to be accepted by everyone. He will be here is in at most 2-3 years…

Christ was first and foremost a Jew. He was not ever a Hindu guru or mystic. He never taught reincarnation, nor was He a pantheist.

So despite what you may have read by others trying to profit off of His mere name, you’re quite mistaken.

 

[openmind77]

Yet again I appeal to the homeless family and the child with cancer. Exactly how are they responsible for their “misfortunes”?

And how do you explain the success of others who do not have major “misfortune” but live very plush lives at the expense of others?

Hinduism seems to cause more problems and questions than it answers.

That’s why I didn’t buy into it.

Christ was first and foremost a Jew. He was not ever a Hindu guru or mystic. He never taught reincarnation, nor was He a pantheist.

So despite what you may have read by others trying to profit off of His mere name, you’re quite mistaken.

Like I said, we just need to wait for The Christ’s Return and see what he has to teach us. You may be surprised how much humanity still needs to learn and what he has left to teach.It would be good to be prepared.

 

[Amandil]

Like I said, we just need to wait for The Christ’s Return and see what he has to teach us. You may be surprised how much humanity still needs to learn and what he has left to teach.It would be good to be prepared.

Christ’s return won’t be about teaching us anything. His return will be about the consummation of His kingdom.

As I said, Jesus is not a guru.

 

[GEddie]

Christ’s return won’t be about teaching us anything. His return will be about the consummation of His kingdom.

As I said, Jesus is not a guru.

(Both hands and both feet)

Too many folks want to hijack the Gospel to make it say what it doesn’t; but our LORD has a way of bypassing our earthly expectations.

ICXC NIKA

 

[openmind77]

Christ’s return won’t be about teaching us anything. His return will be about the consummation of His kingdom.

As I said, Jesus is not a guru.

You are free to believe whatever you want about what the Christ will do when he returns. I don’t think that he has to do what you expect - he can do whatever he wants. So I would suggest that you be prepared to be surprised in many ways.

 

[Amandil]

You are free to believe whatever you want about what the Christ will do when he returns.

That’s again where you’re wrong. We are not “free to believe whatever we want” because freedom does not mean the ability to either believe or follow falsehoods.

Christ has already explicitly stated what He will do when He returns: to judge the living and the dead and establish His kingdom on earth.

I don’t think that he has to do what you expect - he can do whatever he wants. So I would suggest that you be prepared to be surprised in many ways.

That may be true in a sense, but it is definitely not true in sense that you’re suggesting.

 

[Usagi]

God looks like an adult who lacked attention as a child. Every solution to any of life’s deepest mysteries and problems starts with giving God attention. Then he deigns to enlighten our minds. God is not a fan of poetic justice, he is a fan of his own splendor. That’s the only sensible answer to OP’s query. God wants his glory, he’ll do what it takes to get it.

In another post you correctly state that God is impassible, but here you make Him sound needy and grasping. He can’t be both.

God doesn’t need to do anything to “get His glory.” His glory is essential to His Being and cannot be increased or decreased by any outside force. Your vision of God as a petulant child hungry for praise and attention is not an accurate picture. God is the one being in the universe that needs nothing from anyone else and has no inner emptiness to fill. If He seeks a relationship with me or you or anyone, it is entirely for the other person’s benefit.

Usagi

 

[tonyrey]

Christians do not believe in reincarnation. The sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ is enough for one life.

Concise and decisive!