Why does God allow this to happen?

[tonyrey]

In another post you correctly state that God is impassible, but here you make Him sound needy and grasping. He can’t be both.

God doesn’t need to do anything to “get His glory.” His glory is essential to His Being and cannot be increased or decreased by any outside force. Your vision of God as a petulant child hungry for praise and attention is not an accurate picture. God is the one being in the universe that needs nothing from anyone else and has no inner emptiness to fill. If He seeks a relationship with me or you or anyone, it is entirely for the other person’s benefit.

Usagi

The suggestion that the Creator of this immense universe needs attention and moral support from minute creatures is highly amusing - and absurd! Yet it points to the fact that a solitary God would be the apotheosis of egoism. Love implies the existence of a divine Community, revealed by Jesus and defined in the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity.

 

[Robertanthony]

In another post you correctly state that God is impassible, but here you make Him sound needy and grasping. He can’t be both.

God doesn’t need to do anything to “get His glory.” His glory is essential to His Being and cannot be increased or decreased by any outside force. Your vision of God as a petulant child hungry for praise and attention is not an accurate picture. God is the one being in the universe that needs nothing from anyone else and has no inner emptiness to fill. If He seeks a relationship with me or you or anyone, it is entirely for the other person’s benefit.

Usagi

An analogy can only go so far. We were created to worship God, it’s not about us. When you grow up in a household with a parent with narcissic personality disorder (NPD), the whole household revolves around them. God may not be needy but he will not tolerate not being given the glory which, he thinks, he is due. When you refuse to give him glory and die in that state, you’re going to hell. Normally, a child is brought into his world for his own sake, not to serve his parents, unless the parent(s) is/are pathologically narcissic. If we were created for our own sakes, then obviously God would have kept a babe, who was going to be named Adolf in the late 1800s, out of existence. Adolf’s eternal suffering only serves to glorify God’s justice.The end, the aim, the sole purpose of human creation is to praise God, worship him, give him glory. LIke in a dysfunctional home, it’s not about the children, everything revolves around the parent demanding attention, obedience, and, against all logic, praises. God is a selfless as the Sun in our solar system.

Let’s say one night I want to procreate. God miraculously makes me prescient for one minute. I realize the human being I’m about to create will have say, hypogonadism and will be prone to depression. Let’s say he will also be a predisposition to soothe his torments with drugs. Let’s say I see a premature death due to OD at 21, a life filled with sadness, torment, no real joy, loneliness and depression in all the years leading to his death, I WILL NOT PROCREATE THAT NIGHT. But God is so much better and so much smarter than that, he WILL CREATE THAT HUMAN BEING NO MATTER WHAT. For whose sake will he create that human being? If you think God is loving and selfless, you may have to think twice. My happiness, my well-being, my desire to live or not to live, I don’t even think they show up on God’s priority list. But what I do know is what tops the priority list: his glory. He doesn’t need glory but wants it and will not tolerate being denied his glory. God’s selflessness is as genuine and authentic as a politician holding a baby for the camera and trying to make him smile. The baby serves the politician. We serve God, that’s the sole reason for the “gift” of life, our personal happiness is secondary, tertiary, essentially immaterial. God can’t understand why I’m not in awe of his person. Bud, whether you’re someone I work with or you’re the king of kings, if you treat me like dirt and ignore my cries for help, I will have no respect for you.

 

[Amandil]

An analogy can only go so far. We were created to worship God, it’s not about us. When you grow up in a household with a parent with narcissic personality disorder (NPD), the whole household revolves around them. God may not be needy but he will not tolerate not being given the glory which, he thinks, he is due.

This is where you seem to be projecting Robert. God doesn’t “need” for us to give Him glory, God really doesn’t need anything being wholly sufficient in Himself.

We glorify God by our lives and our love, not only for God but for others. God crowns His glory in us when we love and give our lives for others.

To “refuse to give God glory” is to refuse to love. If you refuse to love and instead turn in on yourself instead of being in a relationship with God and others, then you by definition refuse God. Its not that He cannot tolerate that sort of egocentrism, its that that egocentrism refuses to tolerate God because God is calling you out of your self-imposed exile.

When you refuse to give him glory and die in that state, you’re going to hell. Normally, a child is brought into his world for his own sake, not to serve his parents, unless the parent(s) is/are pathologically narcissic. If we were created for our own sakes, then obviously God would have kept a babe, who was going to be named Adolf in the late 1800s, out of existence. Adolf’s eternal suffering only serves to glorify God’s justice.

Hitler had every opportunity to rightly serve God but He chose to serve himself instead. If Hitler is in eternal suffering, He is there because of His egocentrism.

Justice and mercy are both aspects of God’s love ,and God is an “all-consuming fire.” Those who will wind up in hell, the had every opportunity to have God’s love in the form of His mercy but refused it because of their egocentrism. Therefore they receive God’s love in the form of His justice. It just may be that the very fires of God’s love are the fires which torment those who chose self-exile over God.

That’s their fault, not God’s.

The end, the aim, the sole purpose of human creation is to praise God, worship him, give him glory. LIke in a dysfunctional home, it’s not about the children, everything revolves around the parent demanding attention, obedience, and, against all logic, praises. God is a selfless as the Sun in our solar system.

If by “praise God” you mean to love and understand God, others, and then necessarily ourselves in the process of loving God and others, then you’re absolutely right.

But that is anything but a “dysfunctional” home. I’d argue instead that it is our true home and the only reality where this world is a vague and distorted reflection.

Let’s say one night I want to procreate. God miraculously makes me prescient for one minute. I realize the human being I’m about to create will have say, hypogonadism and will be prone to depression. Let’s say he will also be a predisposition to soothe his torments with drugs. Let’s say I see a premature death due to OD at 21, a life filled with sadness, torment, no real joy, loneliness and depression in all the years leading to his death, I WILL NOT PROCREATE THAT NIGHT. But God is so much better and so much smarter than that, he WILL CREATE THAT HUMAN BEING NO MATTER WHAT. For whose sake will he create that human being? If you think God is loving and selfless, you may have to think twice. My happiness, my well-being, my desire to live or not to live, I don’t even think they show up on God’s priority list. But what I do know is what tops the priority list: his glory. He doesn’t need glory but wants it and will not tolerate being denied his glory. God’s selflessness is as genuine and authentic as a politician holding a baby for the camera and trying to make him smile. The baby serves the politician. We serve God, that’s the sole reason for the “gift” of life, our personal happiness is secondary, tertiary, essentially immaterial. God can’t understand why I’m not in awe of his person. Bud, whether you’re someone I work with or you’re the king of kings, if you treat me like dirt and ignore my cries for help, I will have no respect for you.

I would say that this says more about you than about God.

 

[Robertanthony]

Let’s say one night I want to procreate. God miraculously makes me prescient for one minute. I realize the human being I’m about to create will have say, hypogonadism and will be prone to depression. Let’s say he will also be a predisposition to soothe his torments with drugs. Let’s say I see a premature death due to OD at 21, a life filled with sadness, torment, no real joy, loneliness and depression in all the years leading to his death, I WILL NOT PROCREATE THAT NIGHT. But God is so much better and so much smarter than that, he WILL CREATE THAT HUMAN BEING NO MATTER WHAT. For whose sake will he create that human being? If you think God is loving and selfless, you may have to think twice. My happiness, my well-being, my desire to live or not to live, I don’t even think they show up on God’s priority list. But what I do know is what tops the priority list: his glory. He doesn’t need glory but wants it and will not tolerate being denied his glory. God’s selflessness is as genuine and authentic as a politician holding a baby for the camera and trying to make him smile. The baby serves the politician. We serve God, that’s the sole reason for the “gift” of life, our personal happiness is secondary, tertiary, essentially immaterial. God can’t understand why I’m not in awe of his person. Bud, whether you’re someone I work with or you’re the king of kings, if you treat me like dirt and ignore my cries for help, I will have no respect for you.

I would say that this says more about you than about God.

Thank you. You understand that I’m not indifferent to the intense suffering and hopelessness of my fellow human beings, and that, unlike God, I would not willinglingly and knowingly bring another creature into this world if I knew, presciently as God does, that temporal misery will be their lot and God’s hell their eternal abode. I may or may not project the image of my shabby dad on God, but what I do know is the days, weeks, months, years where God could have been more than an aloof father, and he chose not to. Like the guy for whom everything is wrong in his childhood, and who has severe acnea when he hits his teens, causing further distress and self-esteem issues. God had to respect the guy’s inadequate parents’ free-will, but the acnea outbreak was easily avoidable by someone who claims, in all seriousness, to be both omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Also, no matter the scholarly arguments you come up with, one thing is true: God created us for us to worship, love him and give him glory. He may not need it per se, but that’s the plan. One thing is also true despite you saying the exact opposite: God is as refined as Kim Jong-un in how he treats the poeple who don’t bown down to his highness. God’s gift of life for many, for me, is being forced to sit at a table, being with people I have nothing in common with, being forced to eat something that deeply repulses me, whoever is responsible for my situation I have to thank from the bottom of my heart, or else… If my childhood, if having been made with inferior, cheap material, if all i had to take, if having been essentially destroyed, if any of that had touched the heart of a god actually capable of love, then he would have found a way to let me know. My kid has ADHD, essentially the same psychological profile as me (introvert, shy, not popular, anxious, shaky self-esteem). Tell me again how God is so much better than my temporal daddy. Would it have been such a tragedy if God had not existed, it’s such a tragedy that he does exist. Hell is a great invention, too. Human torture is very pale in comparison to the master’s hell. God is tyrannical, his regime is one of tyranny. LIke the dimwit red-necks would say on Maury: “My way or the highway”. God is as loving as a snake. As water-giving as a dry well. As genuine and sincere as a politician. As endearing as life without parole in jail. Psychologically, he is a s clueless as they come.

 

[Amandil]

Thank you. You understand that I’m not indifferent to the intense suffering and hopelessness of my fellow human beings, and that, unlike God, I would not willinglingly and knowingly bring another creature into this world if I knew, presciently as God does, that temporal misery will be their lot and God’s hell their eternal abode. I may or may not project the image of my shabby dad on God, but what I do know is the days, weeks, months, years where God could have been more than an aloof father, and he chose not to. Like the guy for whom everything is wrong in his childhood, and who has severe acnea when he hits his teens, causing further distress and self-esteem issues. God had to respect the guy’s inadequate parents’ free-will, but the acnea outbreak was easily avoidable by someone who claims, in all seriousness, to be both omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Also, no matter the scholarly arguments you come up with, one thing is true: God created us for us to worship, love him and give him glory. He may not need it per se, but that’s the plan. One thing is also true despite you saying the exact opposite: God is as refined as Kim Jong-un in how he treats the poeple who don’t bown down to his highness. God’s gift of life for many, for me, is being forced to sit at a table, being with people I have nothing in common with, being forced to eat something that deeply repulses me, whoever is responsible for my situation I have to thank from the bottom of my heart, or else… If my childhood, if having been made with inferior, cheap material, if all i had to take, if having been essentially destroyed, if any of that had touched the heart of a god actually capable of love, then he would have found a way to let me know. My kid has ADHD, essentially the same psychological profile as me (introvert, shy, not popular, anxious, shaky self-esteem). Tell me again how God is so much better than my temporal daddy. Would it have been such a tragedy if God had not existed, it’s such a tragedy that he does exist. Hell is a great invention, too. Human torture is very pale in comparison to the master’s hell. God is tyrannical, his regime is one of tyranny. LIke the dimwit red-necks would say on Maury: “My way or the highway”. God is as loving as a snake. As water-giving as a dry well. As genuine and sincere as a politician. As endearing as life without parole in jail. Psychologically, he is a s clueless as they come.

(Sigh)…have your way I guess. I’m just trying to tell you your whole outlook is extremely jaundiced and skewed.

But I’ll continue to pray for you.

 

[tonyrey]

Thank you. You understand that I’m not indifferent to the intense suffering and hopelessness of my fellow human beings, and that, unlike God, I would not willinglingly and knowingly bring another creature into this world if I knew, presciently as God does, that temporal misery will be their lot and God’s hell their eternal abode. I may or may not project the image of my shabby dad on God, but what I do know is the days, weeks, months, years where God could have been more than an aloof father, and he chose not to. Like the guy for whom everything is wrong in his childhood, and who has severe acnea when he hits his teens, causing further distress and self-esteem issues. God had to respect the guy’s inadequate parents’ free-will, but the acnea outbreak was easily avoidable by someone who claims, in all seriousness, to be both omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Also, no matter the scholarly arguments you come up with, one thing is true: God created us for us to worship, love him and give him glory. He may not need it per se, but that’s the plan. One thing is also true despite you saying the exact opposite: God is as refined as Kim Jong-un in how he treats the poeple who don’t bown down to his highness. God’s gift of life for many, for me, is being forced to sit at a table, being with people I have nothing in common with, being forced to eat something that deeply repulses me, whoever is responsible for my situation I have to thank from the bottom of my heart, or else… If my childhood, if having been made with inferior, cheap material, if all i had to take, if having been essentially destroyed, if any of that had touched the heart of a god actually capable of love, then he would have found a way to let me know. My kid has ADHD, essentially the same psychological profile as me (introvert, shy, not popular, anxious, shaky self-esteem). Tell me again how God is so much better than my temporal daddy. Would it have been such a tragedy if God had not existed, it’s such a tragedy that he does exist. Hell is a great invention, too. Human torture is very pale in comparison to the master’s hell. God is tyrannical, his regime is one of tyranny. LIke the dimwit red-necks would say on Maury: “My way or the highway”. God is as loving as a snake. As water-giving as a dry well. As genuine and sincere as a politician. As endearing as life without parole in jail. Psychologically, he is a s clueless as they come.

Your distorted concept of God reveals more about your unbalanced negativity than anything else. You claim to be “not indifferent to the intense suffering and hopelessness of my fellow human beings” yet everything you have written merely aggravates their misery and despair - and could well be the last straw…

 

[Amandil]

And if I may ask, Robert, what could you say is the difference between you and another person who could be born with the same weaknesses and shortcomings as you, born in the same circumstances as you, yet who has a strong faith in God, a positive perspective on life, and who is generally and relatively content and thankful to God in all things?

If you say that scenario is not possible then it sorely begs the question.

If you say that it’s due to ignorance or self-deception frankly I think that would just be a cheap and intellectually lazy answer.

So void of those things, how would you respond?

 

[Robertanthony]

And if I may ask, Robert, what could you say is the difference between you and another person who could be born with the same weaknesses and shortcomings as you, born in the same circumstances as you, yet who has a strong faith in God, a positive perspective on life, and who is generally and relatively content and thankful to God in all things?

If you say that scenario is not possible then it sorely begs the question.

If you say that it’s due to ignorance or self-deception frankly I think that would just be a cheap and intellectually lazy answer.

So void of those things, how would you respond?

You’re right. I have a very rigid way of thinking, part of it I have no control over. I am naturally anxious, woe-is-me attitude, it takes me years to understand things, to welcome a new way of looking at things. The underlying issue is I want God to give me everything on a silver platter because I suffered. I realize I’m self-centered, self-absorbed, want things done my way, moan and murmur when I get manna instead of AAA filet mignon. Things ARE beggining to fall into place, to settle,I feel the hand of God working, but then I think about this guy who has everything I wish I was/had and the slightest incident brings me back to my past, touches one of my wounds and I’m on a downward spiral of anxiety, self-hatred, blaming God, telling God off and using very vulgar language with him.

If i had trusted God, been content with my lot, I'd probably be in a much better place, I guess i have my dad as an excuse for not giving God a chance. But truthfully, I wonder if I had the mental, psychological werewithal to fully trust God in my younger years. The enemy/my own self is good at reminding me of the times God has quote unquote failed me. I htink that's why most of us will live to be 70-80, God will give us that much time to come to our senses and turn whole-heartedly to him.  In closing,  I know that foster kids who have been with many families will act in a way to drive people away in their new foster home,  what they're essentially doing, from what I've been told, is testing whether these people will reject them like others did.  Fear of rejection is probably my deepest and most painful wound, I wonder if i'm not doing the same with God. Testing whther he'll forsake me. Thanks for your patience, Amandil and others, I'm not exactly cheerful and edifying.

i’d like to get back into the Church this year. Go to confession. Receive communion, I’m sure the sacraments will be a tremendous help in my spiritual and psychological battles. One thing needs top be settled, and for that thing I ask God’s help and providence. And thank him for his mercy and patience, without which I’d been struck dead a long time ago.

 

[Amandil]

You’re right. I have a very rigid way of thinking, part of it I have no control over. I am naturally anxious, woe-is-me attitude, it takes me years to understand things, to welcome a new way of looking at things. The underlying issue is I want God to give me everything on a silver platter because I suffered. I realize I’m self-centered, self-absorbed, want things done my way, moan and murmur when I get manna instead of AAA filet mignon.

Well, the good thing is that this means that you’re generally like me and most everyone else in one respect or another. It means you’re human.

The promise of God is that you can get even more that what you desire, and heaven besides, just so long as you trust in Him that everything that may come, no matter how it may seem at the time, God intends for your ultimate and objective good, not merely our subjective happiness.

Things ARE beggining to fall into place, to settle,I feel the hand of God working, but then I think about this guy who has everything I wish I was/had and the slightest incident brings me back to my past, touches one of my wounds and I’m on a downward spiral of anxiety, self-hatred, blaming God, telling God off and using very vulgar language with him.

But why are you allowing that to have power over you? You can’t change it, it’s in the past. Don’t waste your time anxious about things that are out of your ability to change or control. There’s no point to that except to use it as a reason to close in on yourself.

If i had trusted God, been content with my lot, I’d probably be in a much better place, I guess i have my dad as an excuse for not giving God a chance. But truthfully, I wonder if I had the mental, psychological werewithal to fully trust God in my younger years. The enemy/my own self is good at reminding me of the times God has quote unquote failed me. I htink that’s why most of us will live to be 70-80, God will give us that much time to come to our senses and turn whole-heartedly to him. In closing, I know that foster kids who have been with many families will act in a way to drive people away in their new foster home, what they’re essentially doing, from what I’ve been told, is testing whether these people will reject them like others did. Fear of rejection is probably my deepest and most painful wound, I wonder if i’m not doing the same with God. Testing whther he’ll forsake me. Thanks for your patience, Amandil and others, I’m not exactly cheerful and edifying.

Well, I’m of the mind, and firm in the conviction, that God will never give up on me, so long as I don’t give up on Him.

Rejection is a very difficult thing to overcome, especially if suffered as a child because it can put a false color onto all of our relationships as we grow up.

Christ never necessarily promised to heal all of our hurts in this life, but He did share all of our hurts because “he was like us in all things except sin.” And He bore the full brunt of human rejection by being scourged and crucified. For " though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross."

i’d like to get back into the Church this year. Go to confession. Receive communion, I’m sure the sacraments will be a tremendous help in my spiritual and psychological battles. One thing needs top be settled, and for that thing I ask God’s help and providence. And thank him for his mercy and patience, without which I’d been struck dead a long time ago.

If I may also suggest that you may want to make it a habit of scheduling talks with your priest concerning your background. Or maybe he can put you in touch with a good spiritual director.

 

[tonyrey]

You’re right. I have a very rigid way of thinking, part of it I have no control over. I am naturally anxious, woe-is-me attitude, it takes me years to understand things, to welcome a new way of looking at things. The underlying issue is I want God to give me everything on a silver platter because I suffered. I realize I’m self-centered, self-absorbed, want things done my way, moan and murmur when I get manna instead of AAA filet mignon. Things ARE beggining to fall into place, to settle,I feel the hand of God working, but then I think about this guy who has everything I wish I was/had and the slightest incident brings me back to my past, touches one of my wounds and I’m on a downward spiral of anxiety, self-hatred, blaming God, telling God off and using very vulgar language with him.

If i had trusted God, been content with my lot, I'd probably be in a much better place, I guess i have my dad as an excuse for not giving God a chance. But truthfully, I wonder if I had the mental, psychological werewithal to fully trust God in my younger years. The enemy/my own self is good at reminding me of the times God has quote unquote failed me. I htink that's why most of us will live to be 70-80, God will give us that much time to come to our senses and turn whole-heartedly to him.  In closing,  I know that foster kids who have been with many families will act in a way to drive people away in their new foster home,  what they're essentially doing, from what I've been told, is testing whether these people will reject them like others did.  Fear of rejection is probably my deepest and most painful wound, I wonder if i'm not doing the same with God. Testing whther he'll forsake me. Thanks for your patience, Amandil and others, I'm not exactly cheerful and edifying.

i’d like to get back into the Church this year. Go to confession. Receive communion, I’m sure the sacraments will be a tremendous help in my spiritual and psychological battles. One thing needs top be settled, and for that thing I ask God’s help and providence. And thank him for his mercy and patience, without which I’d been struck dead a long time ago.

Perhaps my last post to you was too harsh but sometimes we need to be told the truth to overcome our problems. Pouring your heart out is good for your soul…

You aren’t as isolated as you thought!

 

[Robertanthony]

Perhaps my last post to you was too harsh but sometimes we need to be told the truth to overcome our problems. Pouring your heart out is good for your soul…

You aren’t as isolated as you thought!

Nah, don’t worry about it. If I don’t sense hostility or ill-will, you can pretty much tell me anything. Do I have a problem with negativity? You bet I do! I just wish I wasn’t an introvert who sometimes lets some people cross the line, and turn around and let the master of the universe have it. Do i have the “grass is greener syndrome”? Yep. Hopefully God will help me to grow a little bit, overcome some of these things and gain some badly needed maturity.

 

[tonyrey]

Nah, don’t worry about it. If I don’t sense hostility or ill-will, you can pretty much tell me anything. Do I have a problem with negativity? You bet I do! I just wish I wasn’t an introvert who sometimes lets some people cross the line, and turn around and let the master of the universe have it. Do i have the “grass is greener syndrome”? Yep. Hopefully God will help me to grow a little bit, overcome some of these things and gain some badly needed maturity.

Discovering this forum was one of the best things that has happened to me. I have shared my ideas and learnt so much from others I feel - and am - part of a international community with the same interests and values. We are all immature in the sight of God but that is the purpose of life: to develop into loving persons who make the most of what we have and help others who are less fortunate. Youre on the right road, Robert.

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

Christians do not believe in reincarnation. The sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ is enough for one life.

Peace…

IMHO though I think the resurrection was the nail in the coffin for reincarnation.

 

[openmind77]

:
Dorothy;11827705:

Christians do not believe in reincarnation. The sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ is enough for one life.

Peace…

thumbsup: IMHO though I think the resurrection was the nail in the coffin for reincarnation.

FYI: bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x464578267/STAFFORD-BETTY-Why-do-so-many-Catholics-believe-in-reincarnation-Should-they

Actually reincarnation and past life karma is the only thing that explains logically why babies are born with problems that cause so much pain and suffering - not only to themselves but also for their parents.

I think we need to wait for the Return of Christ for Christians to be convinced by HIm of the truth about reincarnation and karma. But I don’t think we have long to wait, He will be here in at most two or three years

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

FYI: bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x464578267/STAFFORD-BETTY-Why-do-so-many-Catholics-believe-in-reincarnation-Should-they

Wow, Catholics who don’t know or practice their faith. Not exactly breaking news my friend.

Actually reincarnation and past life karma is the only thing that explains logically why babies are born with problems that cause so much pain and suffering - not only to themselves but also for their parents.

It’s called genes.

I think we need to wait for the Return of Christ for Christians to be convinced by HIm of the truth about reincarnation and karma. But I don’t think we have long to wait, He will be here in at most two or three years

God in the Person of Christ already crushed the falsehood of reincarnation when He arose from the dead in the SAME body on Easter Sunday. The matter has been settled.

 

[Dorothy]

FYI: bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x464578267/STAFFORD-BETTY-Why-do-so-many-Catholics-believe-in-reincarnation-Should-they

Actually reincarnation and past life karma is the only thing that explains logically why babies are born with problems that cause so much pain and suffering - not only to themselves but also for their parents.

I think we need to wait for the Return of Christ for Christians to be convinced by HIm of the truth about reincarnation and karma. But I don’t think we have long to wait, He will be here in at most two or three years

Pain and suffering is due to the fall of man. The Precious Blood of Jesus is enough for us to be sanctified in one lifetime, if we cooperate with Him.

 

[oldcelt]

Discovering this forum was one of the best things that has happened to me. I have shared my ideas and learnt so much from others I feel - and am - part of a international community with the same interests and values. We are all immature in the sight of God but that is the purpose of life: to develop into loving persons who make the most of what we have and help others who are less fortunate. Youre on the right road, Robert.

Agreed Tony…be well,

John

 

[openmind77]

Pain and suffering is due to the fall of man. The Precious Blood of Jesus is enough for us to be sanctified in one lifetime, if we cooperate with Him.

How is a baby who is born with some disease that kills it supposed to cooperate with Him?

And if the baby dies unbaptized then I guess the poor thing is really in a pickle.

And all that because of the fall of man?

 

[openmind77]

…
God in the Person of Christ already crushed the falsehood of reincarnation when He arose from the dead in the SAME body on Easter Sunday. The matter has been settled.:

You can tell that to the Christ when he Returns, so that He won’t dare contradict you.

 

[GEddie]

You can tell to the Christ when he Returns, so that He won’t dare contradict you.

Methinks you and CiD are thinking about two different people.

ICXC NIKA