Why does God let bad things happen to good people?

[mgrfin]

Here are more Bible verses to support that this world is satan’s domain:
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First, this world is not Satan’s domain; it is God’s. It was made by God, and saved by God, and his creatures are saved herein.

Second, Ginger, how do you explain that the wicked prosper and the just are afflicted in such a way as to be a special grievance against divine providence?

This difficulty was faced and answered by Seneca, with this old perplexing question: Why, if there be providence, are good men buffeted by misfortune, while the baser go free?

God, of necessity, must do his own will. He might have created a world of intelligent beings in which there would have been no sorrow, sin or suffering. Why he selected this world rather than innumerable other worlds without, at least, moral evil, we do not know, nor can we know until we attain the Beatific Vision.

Yet, we have some inkling of God’s providential purpose in his choice of this world. A world without sin would be a world without our present freedom, and a world without this freedom would be a world without love, or at all events, without the freely given love of the creature.

The free rational creature is capable of giving to God a homage which transcends that of every other conceivable work of his hands. And it is precisely this freedom, this perilous gift, which may be so easily abused, which imparts to man’s actions their supreme glory or their supreme shame.

It is the noblest natural gift of God to man.

peace

 

[Ginger2]

Jesus came into the world to save the world. The world is not evil or satan’s domain.

You keep digging your heresy deeper and deeper.

I get it!!!

You think I believe what the munchkins believed and so you are responding to their heretical beliefs instead of responding to what I said! (where’s the little light bulb icon?)

mgrfin, this has caused us problems before. You are not psychic. You can not read my mind nor see into my heart. Please respond to what I actually say and not to what you falsely assume I must believe.

I never said that God created the world evil/corrupt. Sin entered the world at the fall - when Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

God has given satan a short time to be the “prince of this world”

Jhn 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

You are wrong - about me and about “this world”

 

[mgrfin]

Jhn 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

You are free to do what you like.

For my part, when you present heretical doctrines, or make false or anticatholic statements, I will respond.

Peace

 

[Ginger2]

You are free to do what you like.

For my part, when you present heretical doctrines, or make false or anticatholic statements, I will respond.

Good. Good. But please respond to what I have said, not to something you read somewhere else.

Now, tell me what “anticatholic statements” I made in this thread. Please reference the post.

 

[mgrfin]

Good. Good. But please respond to what I have said, not to something you read somewhere else.

Now, tell me what “anticatholic statements” I made in this thread. Please reference the post.

If you don’t know, you might want to start at Post #48:

“World ruled by Satan”.
This world is ruled by Satan"
“Ware are living in Satan’s Kingdom”
“This world is of the devil”
“We are living in Satan’s Kingdom”
“I asked God to take away my free will”.

You can proceed through all your posts, and my posts where I point out your errors.

peace

 

[mgrfin]

Bad things happen on EARTH because the EARTH is not God’s… Satan reigns over this world and it is HIS decision what happens here, and God will let him do whatsoever he pleases unless God tells him otherwise- just because he can…

A prime example of this happening is displayed in the book of Job; Satan took everything away from Job from his house to his children, and this deal was made so that God might test his virtues… I suppose we could be related in the same way?

The answer could also go along the line of love also, seeing as God does discipline the ones he loves. It’s your choice.

Another Manichean! You just can’t stomp this stuff out.

Remember, the rain falls on the just and the unjust as well.

peace

 

[mgrfin]

The reason is that God allows good to come out of evil just as the immense good of Christ’s resurrection came out of the evil of His passion. (see Gibson’s film). Perhaps sometimes we forget that without the resurrection we would be up the creek!

The Passion of Christ was not evil. He chose that on his own. It was part of his redemptive act. Please don’t refer to it as evil.

peace

 

[catharina]

The Passion of Christ was not evil. He chose that on his own. It was part of his redemptive act. Please don’t refer to it as evil.

peace

mrgrfin - I aoolaud you.

We live in a world that has been redeemed.
Even in His day, Jesus could tell his followers
“The kingdom of heaven is all around you.”

 

[Ginger2]

“World ruled by Satan”.
This world is ruled by Satan"
“Ware are living in Satan’s Kingdom”
“This world is of the devil”
“We are living in Satan’s Kingdom”
“I asked God to take away my free will”.

You can proceed through all your posts, and my posts where I point out your errors.

Everything you listed that I “said” was Scripture except for my asking God to take away my freewill.

I’m not going to address the Scripture as I forgot for a moment that you believe “Tradition always trumps Scripture” ( ie if it’s not in Tradition, it must be a lie)

So let me focus on my personal testimony. I gave my life over to God totally. I willing admitted I need God desperately. I completely give up any freedom I was granted and literally become a willing slave to God.

I acknowledged that God did not take away my freewill. But pointed out that He changed my life because I called to him submitted and repented.

Now…every Christian should have praised God for what He had done. “I tell you there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.e.” Luke 15:7)

Instead you claim my testimony is anti-Catholic.

 

[Church_Militant]

So… in your opinion, the creation that God made is now the property of the devil?

Though I might agree about our “society”, but the world? I think not.

1st Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:

 

[pacemque]

The Passion of Christ was not evil. He chose that on his own. It was part of his redemptive act. Please don’t refer to it as evil.

peace

I picked my words carefully I said “evil of of His passion”, not that Christ’s passion was evil. Obviously as you say His sufferings were His redemptive act. Nevertheless the serpent in the garden was evil, evil acts were carried out: the scourging, the crowning of thorns and the crucifixion. What was good about Gibson’s film is that it brought out how dreadful the sufferings were and not the watered down version of liberal catholics in the UK where I come from.

 

[TraditionalCath]

Why does God let bad things happen to good people?

God is not responsible for what happens to us. that is only circumstance. people love to blame God when something bad happens. do they ever stop to think that the blame does not belong with Him? guess not. do they ever bother to thank Him when something good happens? instead of trying to place the blame on God, why not pray to Him and ask Him to help one through the hard times? and then thank Him for hearing your prayer.

 

[Ginger2]

So… in your opinion, the creation that God made is now the property of the devil?

No. That is not my opinion.

Everything is the property of God.

Jesus also said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Matthew 28:18.

Any “power” given to satan is allowed by God and limited to unbelievers.

2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Christians are kept under God’s protection.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

But it is obvious that God. for whatever reason, has allowed satan a certain amount of limited power for a limited time over the physical world.

Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:…

Unfortunately we are still living in a world where an element of evil exists. That is why bad things happen to good people.

 

[catharina]

Everything you listed that I “said” was Scripture except for my asking God to take away my freewill.

I’m not going to address the Scripture as I forgot for a moment that you believe “Tradition always trumps Scripture” ( ie if it’s not in Tradition, it must be a lie)

So let me focus on my personal testimony. I gave my life over to God totally. I willing admitted I need God desperately. I completely give up any freedom I was granted and literally become a willing slave to God.

I acknowledged that God did not take away my freewill. But pointed out that He changed my life because I called to him submitted and repented.

Now…every Christian should have praised God for what He had done. “I tell you there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.e.” Luke 15:7)

Instead you claim my testimony is anti-Catholic.

Ginger2, Finally I can better understand what you’re saying here. Because I checked your profile and see that you’re a Protestant, it’s easier for me to grasp your point of view (a point of view that sounds Protestant). Roman Catholics rely on Scripture and Tradition to understand our faith. We’re not dependent on the “preacher du jour” and his interpretations or on our own imaginings of private revelation. We look to Tradition for help in understanding the Scriptures. It’s a hand-in-hand approach.

 

[Ginger2]

Ginger2, Finally I can better understand what you’re saying here. Because I checked your profile and see that you’re a Protestant, it’s easier for me to grasp your point of view (a point of view that sounds Protestant). Roman Catholics rely on Scripture and Tradition to understand our faith. We’re not dependent on the “preacher du jour” and his interpretations or on our own imaginings of private revelation. We look to Tradition for help in understanding the Scriptures. It’s a hand-in-hand approach.

So what point are you trying to make? I do not depend on any preacher. He is human and prone to error.

I depend on God.

So, how is my personal testimony is anti-catholic?

I totally submitted to God and repented. My life has totally transformed since then without my doing anything (I didn’t know what to do). So it must have been God that changed me.

It is truly sad that catholics don’t rejoice over all that God does for people. Instead it seems you only believe God is working when someone joins the rc. As tho membership in the rc is the same as a reservation for a room in heaven.

Boy, when catholics get to heaven they are going to be very surprised to find themselves dining with many of the people they thought were going to hell.

On the other hand, some may be surprise to see those people in heaven while they are destined elsewhere. Afterall catholics “can never be sure of their salvation”.

Or at least that is what catholics have told me.

But again, in the midst of all the false accusations directed at me, I ask:

How is my personal testimony is anti-catholic?

 

[catharina]

So what point are you trying to make? I do not depend on any preacher. He is human and prone to error.

I depend on God.

So, how is my personal testimony is anti-catholic?

I totally submitted to God and repented. My life has totally transformed since then without my doing anything (I didn’t know what to do). So it must have been God that changed me.

I’m not saying anything like you’re “anti-Catholic.” I don’t even know you! I’m saying that I better understand your approach to Scripture now that I know you’re Protestant. Roman Catholics do depend on both Scripture and Tradition to inform their faith, both being tremendous gifts from God Himself.

He did not leave us orphans, just as He promised.

 

[Church_Militant]

No. That is not my opinion.

Everything is the property of God.

Jesus also said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Matthew 28:18.

Any “power” given to satan is allowed by God and limited to unbelievers.

Really? I suspect that Job (and God) might disagree with you.

2Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It would be wise to read that verse in its context.

Christians are kept under God’s protection.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

True, but that does not explain why bad things happen to good people, nor does it explain why God would allow the enemy to attack and oppress His people.

But it is obvious that God. for whatever reason, has allowed satan a certain amount of limited power for a limited time over the physical world.

Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world

, therefore the world hateth you.

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:…Wouldn’t that word for world there be better understood as society, since the world per se has no issues with us as believers?

Unfortunately we are still living in a world where an element of evil exists

. That is why bad things happen to good people.Again… I think the right word would be “society”…

 

[Ginger2]

He did not leave us orphans, just as He promised.

I agree.
So what difference does it make that you “understand” me better. What good will now come from it?

 

[catharina]

I agree.
So what difference does it make that you “understand” me better. What good will now come from it?

It makes a difference to me - if not to you. I have no expectation that you can understand/accept points of the faith in a way that might be ordinary for most Roman Catholics. Having a better idea of who each of us is, by faith, can only improve communication.

IMO.

 

[Ginger2]

Really? I suspect that Job (and God) might disagree with you. It would be wise to read that verse in its context.True, but that does not explain why bad things happen to good people, nor does it explain why God would allow the enemy to attack and oppress His people.Wouldn’t that word for world there be better understood as society, since the world per se has no issues with us as believers?Again… I think the right word would be “society”…

I don’t think flowers or sand or water are evil. But I do think catholics who like to post in forums also like to twist everything so they have something to argue about.

Job makes my point - not yours.

So, what is you reasoning that evil exists in the world? If it does not have anything to do with freewill (Adam and Eve choosing to disobey God as I stated referencing Scripture Gen 3) and the battle between God and satan as the Bible states. (also in Scripture)

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].