Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet?

[Aquarius]

Karen10:

The Word was GOD, *and John also says:

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,* (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(John 1:14, DRC)”

Sorry. That doesn’t say Jesus was God. And that’s the best anyone can come up with in the four gospels. The other three authors don’t even come that close. Still no reason to think the authors considered Jesus to be God.

 

[Aquarius]

Booklover:

Aquarius:

Would you have believed him if he’d said: I am God, worship me? Just like that? Or would you have wanted some proof?

Mohammed proclaimed himself a prophet, do you believe he was simply because he said so, or would you need proof also?

Jesus did not actually say those particular words, but he said it in so many other ways! If you approach scripture with your mind already made up against it, you won’t see it.

Vickie

What I believe about Jesus doesn’t matter. I am saying the four gospels do not provide reason to think the authors of the gospels considered Jesus to be God.

I agree Jesus is not quoted in the gospels as saying he was God. And the authors don’t say so, either. So there is no reason to think the authors considered Jesus to be God.

Subsequent Christian writing has no problem loudly proclaiming Jesus is God. But those four authors didn’t.

 

[Karen10]

Aquarius:

None of those say Jesus was God. They reinforce a preconceived belief among many that he was God. The authors have given no indication that the authors consider Jesus to be God.

And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.
(John 1:34, DRC)

 

[moses8472]

I would like to mention that even though there are things that say Jesus is the son of god… In the old testament there are tons of other people and things that God refers to has his son:

II Samuel 7:14/ I Chronicles 22:10:
“…and he shall be my son [Soloman].”

Jeremiah 31:9:
“…and Ephraim is my firstborn,”

Psalm 2:7: The Lord said to David:
"… I will proclaim the decree of the lord, who said to me, “You are my son; today i am your father.”

Luke 3:38:
“The son of enos, the son of seth, the son of adam, the son of god.”

All im trying to say is that people on both sides have arguments. For Christians will see these lines from the bible as being just figurative and not literal, while seeing the lines of Jesus called son of god as literal… And non Christians will see these lines above and the line of jesus as just figurative since God refers throughout all history to people as his sons.

 

[Karen10]

If Jesus were not the Son of God, then *this would have been a good time to correct people:

John 10:29:
That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.
John 10:30:
I and the Father are one.
John 10:31:
The Jews then took up stones to stone him.
John 10:32:
Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?
John 10:33:
The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God.
John 10:34:
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods?
John 10:35:
If he called them gods, to whom to word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John 10:36:
Do you say of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said,* I am the Son of God**?
John 10:37:
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38:
But if I do, though you will not believe me, believe the works: that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.
John 10:39:
They sought therefore to take him; and he escaped out of their hands.

 

[prodigal-sun]

Aquarius:

Do Christians have their head around the concept of the Trinity?

Yes of course! The Church has understood it for 2000 years! What more do you need!

Peace.

 

[inJESUS]

Guys, you do not understand Aquarius does NOT want to know who Jesus is he is the kind of persons whom, if shown the apple is round, will argue it is a cube so just dust off your sandals coz he simply refuses Jesus .

Me:the Word is God, the Word is Jesus, so Jesus is God
Aquarius: the bible does not say these exact words.
Me: what does it say?
Aquarius: it just doesnt utter the word!
Me: what if John was explaining rather than stating?
Aquarius: it doesnt matter…he should have uttered the word!

Me: Jesus was with God before the world began
Aquarious: he was in God’s mind, that is or an angel!
Me: but angels do not exist before the world began
Aquarius: so it means that Jesus is in God’s mind!
Me: but theBible doesnt say these exact words!
Aquarius : it means so !!

 

[prodigal-sun]

Aquarius:

Booklover:

What I believe about Jesus doesn’t matter. I am saying the four gospels do not provide reason to think the authors of the gospels considered Jesus to be God.

I agree Jesus is not quoted in the gospels as saying he was God. And the authors don’t say so, either. So there is no reason to think the authors considered Jesus to be God.

Subsequent Christian writing has no problem loudly proclaiming Jesus is God. But those four authors didn’t.

Uou are losing the Battle there Aquarius, it seems to me that all of these posts prove your statement wrong! I think you just don’t want to hear! Please open your heart and you will find out how real the Trinity is.

Peace!

 

[moses8472]

Karen10 you are just proving my point, lol. Since you are a christian, when you see the words:

Jesus said “I am the Son of God,” you will no doubt believe that he was saying that is a literal sense… Or when you hear him talking of God as Father, you will believe that in a literal sense… But Jews and Muslims do not see things from that point of view…

When we see a prophet speaking of god as the father, or when we hear of someone holy saying i am the son of god… Or when god calls someone his son, its not literal. They are just symbolizing the fact that we are all servants of our Great God and we are all his sons in a spiritual sense. So when Jesus says that he doesnt mean it literally he would have meant it as i am a spiritual heir of gods people… Even though i do not believe in Jesus that would be my belief on that issue. Therefor as you can tell there are 2 sides to this type of argument. Two different points of view when it comes to “the son of god” or god calling someone his son.

 

[inJESUS]

moses8472:

Jesus said “I am the Son of God,” you will no doubt believe that he was saying that is a literal sense…

what do you mean by “literal” sense?

Or when you hear him talking of God as Father, you will believe that in a literal sense…

whatdo you mean by “literal” sense?

When we see a prophet speaking of god as the father, or when we hear of someone holy saying i am the son of god… Or when god calls someone his son, its not literal. They are just symbolizing the fact that we are all servants of our Great God and we are all his sons in a spiritual sense. So when Jesus says that he doesnt mean it literally he would have meant it as i am a spiritual heir of gods people…

read my post about the Son of Man.

Even though i do not believe in Jesus that would be my belief on that issue. Therefor as you can tell there are 2 sides to this type of argument. Two different points of view when it comes to “the son of god” or god calling someone his son

we agree with you…what’s your point?

 

[Karen10]

moses8472:

Jesus said “I am the Son of God,” you will no doubt believe that he was saying that is a literal sense… Or when you hear him talking of God as Father, you will believe that in a literal sense… But Jews and Muslims do not see things from that point of view…

If everyone understood this in a figurative way, there would have been no reason for them to want to stone him.

If Jesus also meant it in a figurative way, it’s only rational to believe that he would have corrected them.

The early Church fathers also wrote quite a bit on the conviction that Jesus was God.

Thanks for the discussion so far, but I don’t see how this can reasonably be interpreted in a different way. Especially when many Church Fathers in the first few centuries wrote about the divinity of Jesus, and they were martyred for their beliefs.

 

[inJESUS]

And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal HIM.

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: ‘Father, the time has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people THAT HE MIGHT GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN …

can anyone of us, being the son of God, claim what Jesus was saying?

 

[cathgal]

Aquarius:

None of those say Jesus was God. They reinforce a preconceived belief among many that he was God. The authors have given no indication that the authors consider Jesus to be God.

Maybe it never occurred to the authors that we human could be so stupid not to figure out that Jesus is God by TONS of evidence in the Bible! It’s so plainly obvious they didn’t want to underestimate our intelligence. Which is better, to figure it out for ourselves by the profound evidence or to just have them tell us. If they tell us, then the Bible doesn’t need to be so thick, just a cover and 2 pages will be enough. I’m sure there’d be many believers as there are today. But then, you’d be complaining, 'Well, don’t just tell us, SHOW it to us ! "

Why is it such a big deal whether the authors tell us or not. They show us why Jesus is God. That is really more than you ask for.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Aquarius:

None of those say Jesus was God. They reinforce a preconceived belief among many that he was God. The authors have given no indication that the authors consider Jesus to be God.

Preconceived notion? Come on… Only God is to be worshipped, and an Israelite wouldn’t have worshipped anyone else BUT God (yet they worshipped Jesus without a rebuke from Him, a true prophet, were He not God, would have rebuked them). And if Jesus was only a prophet, and was truly a prophet, He would have rebuked them for worshipping them, because only God is to be worshipped. Again, I showed you proof from the NT in the book of Revelation where you have Jesus Christ calling Himself the Alpha and Omega, which is omnipotent, omnipresent deity. You can try better than this.

 

[inJESUS]

cathgal:

Maybe it never occurred to the authors that we human could be so stupid not to figure out that Jesus is God by TONS of evidence in the Bible! It’s so plainly obvious they didn’t want to underestimate our intelligence. Which is better, to figure it out for ourselves by the profound evidence or to just have them tell us. If they tell us, then the Bible doesn’t need to be so thick, just a cover and 2 pages will be enough. I’m sure there’d be many believers as there are today. But then, you’d be complaining, 'Well, don’t just tell us, SHOW it to us ! "

Why is it such a big deal whether the authors tell us or not. They show us why Jesus is God. That is really more than you ask for.

thats what i was telling him…but no! you either say the famous sentence or you can’t say it otherwise. Good post

 

[Aquarius]

Karen10:

And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.
(John 1:34, DRC)

What are the first two words of the Lord’s Prayer?

 

[Aquarius]

Karen10:

If Jesus were not the Son of God, then *this would have been a good time to correct people:

John 10:29:
That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.
John 10:30:
I and the Father are one.
John 10:31:
The Jews then took up stones to stone him.
John 10:32:
Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?
John 10:33:
The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God.
John 10:34:
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods?
John 10:35:
If he called them gods, to whom to word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John 10:36:
Do you say of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said,* I am the Son of God**?
John 10:37:
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38:
But if I do, though you will not believe me, believe the works: that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.
John 10:39:
They sought therefore to take him; and he escaped out of their hands.

God by default doesn’t make the case the authors thought Jesus was God.

 

[Aquarius]

prodigal-sun:

Yes of course! The Church has understood it for 2000 years! What more do you need!

Peace.

Can you explain it?

 

[Karen10]

Aquarius:

God by default doesn’t make the case the authors thought Jesus was God.

Again.

And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.
(JOHN 1:34, DRC)

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

What are the first two words of the Lord’s Prayer?

it’s the third time you ask the same question; its kinda boring; we all know the response…whats your point exactly ?