Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet?

[StMarkEofE]

Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet?

I dont have the foggiest of ideas as to why. It really dosnt make any sense me.

 

[srp643]

Joseph_Alison:

No insinuations please. You don’t look intelligent. I am serious. Study and you will know what I am talking about.

Salaam.
Joseph.

My apologies Joseph but I am just as serious and just stating the Truth. May Christ bless you on your spiritual journey.

 

[inJESUS]

Joseph_Alison:

No insinuations please. You don’t look intelligent. I am serious. Study and you will know what I am talking about.

Salaam.
Joseph.

what kind of intelligence is needed to see that mohammad was an anti-christ in teachings and behavior dead Alison?

 

[Joseph_Alison]

inJESUS:

what kind of intelligence is needed to see that Mohammad was an anti-Christ in teachings and behavior **dead **Alison?

I am not dead yet, my **dear **friend.
You are right; no intelligence is needed at all.
Did Jesus teach faith without work? If he did, then you are right Muhammad (PBUH) is the anti-Christ, if he did not then you need to look somewhere else to find out who was the anti-Christ.

The teaching of faith without work is the main reason why the teachings of Jesus I mentioned earlier remain dead letter and will remain so. Faith is “what reside in the hearth and is translated by works”

Jesus (PBUH) foretold the coming of Muhammad (PBUH), both were sent by the same God, to guide mankind to their Lord and give them the spiritual means to live a life of happiness.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[srp643]

inJESUS:

Joseph Alison had nothing to comment about mohammad not having the guts to say Jesus’ teachings but attacks sinful people…is that all you came with, dear Joseph?

Still have yet to read a thoughtful, scholarly response from a muslem to my original post. The muslem posters thus far are clearly not equipped to provide an intelligent answer. Thanks for everyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut, I’ll search elsewhere.

Dominus vobiscum.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

srp643:

Still have yet to read a thoughtful, scholarly response from a muslem to my original post. The muslem posters thus far are clearly not equipped to provide an intelligent answer. Thanks for everyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut, I’ll search elsewhere.

Good luck and may you find what you are looking for.
Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

I am not dead yet, my **dear **

friend. sorry bro, typic error obviously

You are right; no intelligence is needed at all.

perfct

Did Jesus teach faith without work?

no

If he did, then you are right Muhammad (PBUH) is the anti-Christ, if he did not then you need to look somewhere else to find out who was the anti-Christ.

how exactly did you come to this conclusion? this is obviously not the criteria to know an anti-Christ; the Bible is clear : an anti-Christ is anyone who gives a “different Jesus” and different teachings : mohammad did both hence mohammad is an anti-Christ.

The teaching of faith without work is the main reason why the teachings of Jesus I mentioned earlier remain dead letter and will remain so. Faith is “what reside in the hearth and is translated by works”

first you are mistaken…Jesus did not teach faith without work and second, Jesus’ teachings will never ever be dead just like he said, and nothing will stand agaisnt his Church just like he said as well…and when Jesus says “Nothing”, it means “Nothing”…you tend to see those who dont follow Jesus’ teachings and disregard the millions who do.

Jesus (PBUH) foretold the coming of Muhammad (PBUH),

do you honestly believe someone like Jesus would fortell someone as his opposite as mohammad?and would you show me where exactly?

 

[Joseph_Alison]

inJESUS:

The Bible is clear : an anti-Christ is anyone who gives a “different Jesus” and different teachings :

Look for him in the Bible. He is there proclaiming faith without works, the opposite of what Jesus taught.

First you are mistaken. Jesus did not teach faith without work and second, Jesus’ teachings will never ever be dead just like he said, and nothing will stand against his Church just like he said as well. and when Jesus says “Nothing”, it means “Nothing”…you tend to see those who don’t follow Jesus’ teachings and disregard the millions who do.

-Did Jesus teach that usury is lawful? If not, why is it that usury is the standard in dealing with money? Usury turned the lives of millions into hell.
-Did Jesus teach that alcohol is allowed? If not, why is it that the killer alcohol is for Christian like water? Alcohol killed many; brook many families, created many family tragedies.
-Did Jesus teach not to dress modestly? If not, why is it that dressing modestly is frowned upon and became shameful thing?
-Did Jesus teach that fornication and adultery are allowed? If not, why is it that those major sins are rampant in Christian societies?
-Did Jesus teach to abandon the parents when they become elderly? If not, why is it that most elder Christians live alone and do not see their offspring but in rare occasions?
-Did Jesus teach that gambling is allowed? If not, why is it that a whole city of vise and gambling is erected on Christian soil and almost everywhere in Christian countries; why it is that casinos are the predilection of millions of Christians?

The message brought by the beloved prophet of Islam (PBUH) forbade usury, forbade alcohol, adultery is severely punished, it enjoined to take care of the parents, placing their care just after the worship of Allah (SWT), it enjoined to dress modestly, it forbade gambling etc.

If I were to write all the wonderful teachings of the mercy to mankind who is the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), books would not suffice. Study, then comeback and call me whatever you want if you will find I am not telling the truth.

Do you honestly believe someone like Jesus would foretell someone as his opposite as Mohammed? And would you show me where exactly?

Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them both) could not be the opposite of each other, they were both messenger from the Almighty God, Jesus (PBUH) to the Children of Israel and Muhammad (PBUH) to mankind.
Muhammad (PBUH) left nothing which draws us closer to hell but he warned us against it and left nothing which draws us closer to paradise but told us about it. He completed his message in the most perfect manner. Study my friend and you will have your own idea about the man if you want to. Do you feel Jesus gave you all you need? The result for you would be a content life full of happiness.
The Paraclete is Muhammad (PBIUH) and not the Holy Spirit as it is explained.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Joseph_Alison:

The Paraclete is Muhammad (PBIUH) and not the Holy Spirit as it is explained.Salaam.Joseph.

I just want you, sir, to know that I am offended greatly. To us this is blasphemy. If we must respect your views regarding Mohammed then you in turn must respect our views about the Trinity and the Holy Spirit. You do not have to believe them but you MUST respect them. Mohammed is not the Paraclete by any stretch of the immagination. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit at your own soul’s peril. It is the one sin which cannot be forgiven.

 

[inJESUS]

Look for him in the Bible. He is there proclaiming faith without works, the opposite of what Jesus taught

i assume you are talking about Paul and i will show you later that you are wrong…in fact i’d love to compare mohammad with Paul to let you see the difference between a disciple of Jesus and a “prophet”…

-Did Jesus teach that usury is lawful? If not, why is it that usury is the standard in dealing with money? Usury turned the lives of millions into hell.
-Did Jesus teach that alcohol is allowed? If not, why is it that the killer alcohol is for Christian like water? Alcohol killed many; brook many families, created many family tragedies.
-Did Jesus teach not to dress modestly? If not, why is it that dressing modestly is frowned upon and became shameful thing?
-Did Jesus teach that fornication and adultery are allowed? If not, why is it that those major sins are rampant in Christian societies?
-Did Jesus teach to abandon the parents when they become elderly? If not, why is it that most elder Christians live alone and do not see their offspring but in rare occasions?
-Did Jesus teach that gambling is allowed? If not, why is it that a whole city of vise and gambling is erected on Christian soil and almost everywhere in Christian countries; why it is that casinos are the predilection of millions of Christians?

The message brought by the beloved prophet of Islam (PBUH) forbade usury, forbade alcohol, adultery is severely punished, it enjoined to take care of the parents, placing their care just after the worship of Allah (SWT), it enjoined to dress modestly, it forbade gambling etc.

irrelevant…division between state/church and freedom of will.

If I were to write all the wonderful teachings of the mercy to mankind who is the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), books would not suffice. Study, then comeback and call me whatever you want if you will find I am not telling the truth.

sure, i’ll show later some of his mercifulness.If mohamad were merciful some times and others not, he has no merits…even Hitler had something positive.

Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them both) could not be the opposite of each other, they were both messenger from the Almighty God, Jesus (PBUH) to the Children of Israel and Muhammad (PBUH) to mankind.

you are wrong…mohammad’s teachings are Jesus’ opposite and Jesus came to all mankind as your quran says but mohammad, in my opinion, came to 7th century people and is stuck there.

Muhammad (PBUH) left nothing which draws us closer to hell but he warned us against it and left nothing which draws us closer to paradise but told us about it. He completed his message in the most perfect manner. Study my friend and you will have your own idea about the man if you want to.

i did study…mohammad did not give you a clear way to heaven…compared to what Jesus taught, its the opposite…and mohammad himself did not know where he will end up, at least according to hadith. Muslims depend on allah’s mercy only when they die…and allah’s mercy is conditional…a real mercy is shown on earth my fried, not after you die…and heaven has NO houri or sex. This is the reflection of a human mind, not God’s.

Do you feel Jesus gave you all you need?

more than what we need; he gave us everything.

The result for you would be a content life full of happiness.

life full of happiness and afterlife aswell.

The Paraclete is Muhammad (PBIUH) and not the Holy Spirit as it is explained.

perfect ! i’ll deal with it right now…stay tuned

 

[brotherhrolf]

Do you feel Jesus gave you all you need?

Body, blood, soul and divinity! Amen!

 

[inJESUS]

The Paraclete is Muhammad (PBIUH) and not the Holy Spirit as it is explained.

John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.

The Comforter will be with these disciples forever. Jesus promised the Comforter would be with these disciples forever. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he wasn’t born until over 500 years later - following the deaths of these disciples. He was born around 570 and died around 632 AD.

**John 14:17 — But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you. **

The Comforter lives with the disciples already now and will later be ‘in’ them. The Holy Spirit came to the disciples and indwelt them. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because first he wasn’t around at the time when Jesus was speaking to his disciples nor second could he ever be in any of the disciples. The Greek word is ‘en’, and it means ‘right inside’. Jesus is saying that the Comforter will be ‘right inside’ of the disciples.

John 14:26 — The Comforter is specifically described as the Holy Spirit. The Comforter is not a man. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he was never the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 — The Comforter will be sent in Jesus’ name. The Holy Spirit represented the Lord on earth. No Muslim believes that Muhammad was sent by God in Jesus name. Muhammad did not come in Jesus’ name, as the apostle of Jesus, rather he came in his own name with his own questionable “revelations”.

**John 14:26 — But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." **

The Comforter will teach these disciples and remind them of what Christ said to them. As the early Christians grew the Holy Spirit taught them. Muhammad is not the Comforter because he never knew the disciples and he didn’t teach these disciples, and Muhammad never reminded the disciples of what Christ said.

John 15:26 — When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

The Comforter would be sent to these disciples. These disciples received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Muhammad was never sent to these disciples.

**John 16:13 — But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. **

The Comforter will guide these disciples into all truth. These disciples (and others) grew in the knowledge of God through the revelations from the Holy Spirit. Muhammad never guided these disciples into any truth.

John 16:13 — He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Comforter will speak to these disciples. These disciples grew to know the leading of the Holy Spirit, i.e. they knew His voice. Muhammad never spoke to these disciples.

John 16:14 — He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

The Comforter will take from Jesus and make it known to the disciples. Muhammad never knew Jesus and never took from Jesus and made it known to anyone.

Good luck, Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

brotherhrolf:

Do you feel Jesus gave you all you need?

Body, blood, soul and divinity! Amen!

Body, blood, soul, divinity, love, peace, courage, patience, hope, morals, promises, truth and what not?? Amen !!!

 

[Joseph_Alison]

inJESUS:

irrelevant…division between state/church and freedom of will.

Irrelevant! how come!. Most of what I pointed to has nothing to do with the division between state and church and everything to do with obeying the commands of Jesus.
What the state has to do with dressing modestly?
What the state has to do with alcohol?
What the state has to do with adultery and fornication?
What the state has to do with gambling?
What the state has to do with taking care of the elder parents?
These are very personal things, most of the Christians are either trepassing or not following.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

Joseph_Alison:

inJESUS:

Irrelevant! how come!. Most of what I pointed to has nothing to do with the division between state and church and everything to do with obeying the commands of Jesus.
What the state has to do with dressing modestly?
What the state has to do with alcohol?
What the state has to do with adultery and fornication?
What the state has to do with gambling?
What the state has to do with taking care of the elder parents?
These are very personal things, most of the Christians are either trepassing or not following.

Salaam.
Joseph.

bro, they dont live under a christian “sharia” !!! everyone has the freedom to do whatever he likes! anyway, God does not want people to obey inspite of themselves…God cares about the heart…we are not robots…we have to love God and obey accordingly, not obey without loving, only coz we are obliged to, like the Pharisee who used to clean the outside yet the inside is dirty.

 

[inJESUS]

Look for him in the Bible. He is there proclaiming faith without works, the opposite of what Jesus taught.

this is a passage from Paul :

Colossians 3:23-25

23 Whatever your task, work heartily, as serving the Lord and not men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you are serving the Lord Christ. 25 For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality

a clear passage that refutes the claim that Paul denied work…Paul was stressing that deeds that jews stressed on are not the way for salvation…that’s why he stressed the faith in Jesus; however, he did not negate good works, coz by doing them to your brothers, you are doing them for Jesus just what Jesus taught anyway.

 

[halmac1930]

Originally Posted by melbourne_guy
I would like to know why the jews and romans crucified jesus
if he never stated he was the son of god?

History tells us that the Jews (Those as Sandhedrin Etc.) were concerned about this upstart (JESUS) that was getting a following.
This constituted a threat to their Money Changers and their power of control over the populace.

Pontious Pilot (the Roman Gov.) was getting the message through Caiphas & Annais. Pilot at first wanted no part but to keep things smooth he gave in and ordered the Roman military, of which he was the Supreme Cmdr. in the area, to arrest JESUS. It was his hopes that this would improve his ability to govern the now boisterous Jews.

The rest is obvious. The Father of all martyrs had arrived, JESUS is his name!

 

[prodigal-sun]

Aquarius:

Can you explain it?

Sure I can, I can give you all types of proofs and scripture just as everyone here has been giving them for you about Jesus is God. You are obviously not open to the truth at this time so I will pray include you in my prayers for non-believers. I will explain it to you when you are ready grasshopper!

Peace!

 

[prodigal-sun]

Aquarius:

prodigal-sun:

The posts tell us why the posters think Jesus is God. They approach the gospels with the conviction that Jesus is God. They do not demonstrate the authors of the gospels thought Jesus was God. Note the lack of much from Mark, Matthew, and Luke?

Wrong again aquarius, The posts show that Jesus is God!

Toddles,

 

[inJESUS]

i assume you are talking about Paul and i will show you later that you are wrong…in fact i’d love to compare mohammad with Paul to let you see the difference between a disciple of Jesus and a “prophet”…

Lets see some difference between an apostle of Jesus, here Paul, and a “prophet” after Jesus:

Here is Paul’s views regarding lying and deception:

“Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.” Colossians 3:5-10
“You know, brothers, that our visit to you was not a failure. We had previously suffered and been insulted in Philippi, as you know, but with the help of our God we dared to tell you his gospel in spite of strong opposition. For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you. On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts. You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed-God is our witness. We were not looking for praise from men, not from you or anyone else. As apostles of Christ we could have been a burden to you, but we were gentle among you, like a mother caring for her little children. We loved you so much that we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well, because you had become so dear to us. Surely you remember, brothers, our toil and hardship; we worked night and day in order not to be a burden to anyone while we preached the gospel of God to you. You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.” 1 Thessalonians 2:1-10

“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Mohammad on lying :“Whoso disbelieves in God, after he has believed - excepting him who has been compelled, and in his heart is still at rest in his belief - but whosoever’s heart is expanded in unbelief, upon them shall rest anger from God, and there awaits them a mighty chastisement.” S. 16:106

William Muir’s “Life of Mahomet”, Volume I, footnote 88:

The common Moslem belief is that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions:

1st, to save one’s life;

2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;

3rd, to persuade a woman;

4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition ( all from Hadith)

After all, allah is a schemer and deceiver:
And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. S. 3:54
The Hypocrites - they seek to deceive Allah but it is Allah Who DECEIVES them…4:142

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