Why does it take so long to become Catholic?

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The couple exceptions you are speaking of were also of people that were the exceptions not the rule. Most have gone on to become Sainted and have performed miracles both during their life and after. Surely, if you are one of those people - see your Bishop I am sure he will use his proper authority and get you confirmed right away. For the rest of us normal sinners we have a process. :o
 
I don’t think I proved anything, quite honestly, as I do not believe the Catholic Church’s stance is correct. That is one of the reasons why I have decided not to become Catholic. I do not believe the apostles and the early church made new converts wait until a specific time of the year before accepting them as believers. Once the person believed and was baptized, they were Christians. As an example, I will refer to Acts 2:38-47, which speaks of how the people heard and accepted the gospel, were baptized the same day, and tells of how the church was adding people daily. I’ll even refer to Acts 8:26-39, which talks about how Philip was led by the Holy Spirit to meet up with the Ethiopian eunuch along the road to Gaza, whereby Philip preached Jesus to him. When the eunuch believed, he asked to be baptized and Philip baptized him right then and there. He didn’t tell him "Oh, but you must wait until the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus before we will do that."

Truth be told, I now believe the Catholic Church makes it harder to be a Christian than what is necessary. I believe the Lord Jesus accepts me without all the “hoops” the RCC makes people jump through.
I think the other poster made a good point. Now…you don’t have to go through RCIA to be a christian…but to be a Catholic christian. My husband is a christian…but he still has to wait to go through RCIA to be a FULLY Catholic christian. He understands this and sees the wisdom in it. He also longs to receive communion but he accepts the church’s teaching on this and realizes he is not better than anyone else. Having been to protestant churches for 20+ years I’ve seen plenty of people having that “quick” conversion…feel good moment…only to fall away several months later.

We are just saying that your experience shows why it takes so long…the Catholic church wants a mate that will be faithful and in it for the long haul…not someone who wants a quicky “one night” stand.
 
I don’t think I proved anything, quite honestly, as I do not believe the Catholic Church’s stance is correct. That is one of the reasons why I have decided not to become Catholic. I do not believe the apostles and the early church made new converts wait until a specific time of the year before accepting them as believers. Once the person believed and was baptized, they were Christians. As an example, I will refer to Acts 2:38-47, which speaks of how the people heard and accepted the gospel, were baptized the same day, and tells of how the church was adding people daily. I’ll even refer to Acts 8:26-39, which talks about how Philip was led by the Holy Spirit to meet up with the Ethiopian eunuch along the road to Gaza, whereby Philip preached Jesus to him. When the eunuch believed, he asked to be baptized and Philip baptized him right then and there. He didn’t tell him "Oh, but you must wait until the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus before we will do that."
If I may add…

All of those people baptized in Acts were almost all practicing Jews OR “God-fearers”, active in the tenants and teachings of Judaism (the later not being circumcised). They were well-versed in Scriptures and daily moral life. The Catholic Church continues to have an avenue for such people, as actively practising Protestants can “bypass” the RCIA process if they feel called to do so. The writings of the Didache, written in the first century, clearly points to a “waiting period” as catechumenates were trained by a sponsor, trained to follow the way of life v the way of death. This also continues to be a practise of the Church.
Truth be told, I now believe the Catholic Church makes it harder to be a Christian than what is necessary. I believe the Lord Jesus accepts me without all the “hoops” the RCC makes people jump through.
Some people want a bus ticket. NOW. Others are willing to grow in their spirituality before taking a formal, ritual step further in their walk in Christ. Maybe it depends on what people “expect” out of full membership in the Church. The Church sees this as a period of discernment, for the candidate and for the Church on whether the candidate is deemed ready.

Regards
 
All I can say is to give the same advice that they give Secular Franciscans during the formation period when discussing the topic of conversion. Read the Book of Jonah. It is funny how often those little books in the Old Testament get overlooked. 😃
 
I think the reason why RCIA lasts several months at the least is so that way those converting to Catholicism will be fully prepared. There is a lot of stuff that a convert to Catholicism should know and also, one needs to be spiritually prepared as well. The RCIA process helps with both of these. 🙂
 
If I may add…

All of those people baptized in Acts were almost all practicing Jews OR “God-fearers”, active in the tenants and teachings of Judaism (the later not being circumcised). They were well-versed in Scriptures and daily moral life. The Catholic Church continues to have an avenue for such people, as actively practising Protestants can “bypass” the RCIA process if they feel called to do so.
Okay, you’re saying if they feel called to “bypass” RCIA, the church permits that? :confused: I’m probably not going to say this very eloquently, so please forgive me for how it might sound, but…I thought that’s basically what I was trying to express in my OP. :ehh: But my understanding after reading most of the responses here was that it was something I had to do. I guess I’m confused.

I said I wasn’t going to become Catholic, and now I seem to be feeling that tug again. So I’m feeling weird. I just wish I could get this whole thing settled inside myself. 😦
The writings of the Didache, written in the first century, clearly points to a “waiting period” as catechumenates were trained by a sponsor, trained to follow the way of life v the way of death. This also continues to be a practise of the Church.
Not that I don’t believe you, but could you maybe post the specific writings you’re referring to…or perhaps tell me where I might be able to read them online? Maybe I have too much Protestant ingrained in me. I didn’t realize there was such a waiting period even in the first century. What happened if you died before you could be confirmed and take your first communion?
Some people want a bus ticket. NOW. Others are willing to grow in their spirituality before taking a formal, ritual step further in their walk in Christ. Maybe it depends on what people “expect” out of full membership in the Church. The Church sees this as a period of discernment, for the candidate and for the Church on whether the candidate is deemed ready.
It’s really not about wanting a “bus ticket” NOW. It’s just that I’m already a Christian…or so I thought, because sometimes I wonder if I’ve ever believed properly. But as a believer since the 1980s, it just seems like I’m already known by the Lord. So I don’t understand the whole deal with having to wait longer before being a “real” Christian in His “real” church. What’s this “discernment” stuff all about? Do you mean if someone wants to become a Christian, it has to first be determined if they are really interested and acceptable or not…?

Sorry…I’m just depressed and tired of this whole thing. It confuses me. I hope, if anything, you guys will forgive me…and maybe pray for me. I’m not doing so well lately it seems.
 
Okay, you’re saying if they feel called to “bypass” RCIA, the church permits that? :confused: I’m probably not going to say this very eloquently, so please forgive me for how it might sound, but…I thought that’s basically what I was trying to express in my OP. :ehh: But my understanding after reading most of the responses here was that it was something I had to do. I guess I’m confused.

I said I wasn’t going to become Catholic, and now I seem to be feeling that tug again. So I’m feeling weird. I just wish I could get this whole thing settled inside myself. 😦

Not that I don’t believe you, but could you maybe post the specific writings you’re referring to…or perhaps tell me where I might be able to read them online? Maybe I have too much Protestant ingrained in me. I didn’t realize there was such a waiting period even in the first century. What happened if you died before you could be confirmed and take your first communion?

It’s really not about wanting a “bus ticket” NOW. It’s just that I’m already a Christian…or so I thought, because sometimes I wonder if I’ve ever believed properly. But as a believer since the 1980s, it just seems like I’m already known by the Lord. So I don’t understand the whole deal with having to wait longer before being a “real” Christian in His “real” church. What’s this “discernment” stuff all about? Do you mean if someone wants to become a Christian, it has to first be determined if they are really interested and acceptable or not…?

Sorry…I’m just depressed and tired of this whole thing. It confuses me. I hope, if anything, you guys will forgive me…and maybe pray for me. I’m not doing so well lately it seems.
Your impatience ‘blinds’ you, somewhat.

You don’t get to Heaven by hammering on its door or breaking down the Pearly Gates! What God has revealed THROUGH Scriptures and taught through The Church is that you accept Him and His WILL because as long as your heart beats, you will find the race is long!; the road treacherous and the enemy constantly at hand!

God’s time, is not at your beckoning.

If you cannot endure patience, you may falter at temptation.

You’re not even settled on becoming Catholic, or whether This Is The Church established by Christ. If you were, you would ‘see’ what HUMILITY is and any period of ‘waiting’ or being ‘tested’, however long or short, is NOTHING to becoming a member of His Church.

If you do not seek humility, you’ll become as ARGUMENTITIVE as a protestant within the ‘hallowed halls’ of Catholicism.

:cool:

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Okay, you’re saying if they feel called to “bypass” RCIA, the church permits that? :confused: I’m probably not going to say this very eloquently, so please forgive me for how it might sound, but…I thought that’s basically what I was trying to express in my OP. :ehh: But my understanding after reading most of the responses here was that it was something I had to do. I guess I’m confused.
Keep in mind there’s a difference between the Church (in the sense of the worldwide Church) and an individual parish.

The Church does not require that Protestants go through RCIA though she allows it. Most parishes, however, have both non-baptized and baptized non-Catholics go through RCIA. They may also include Catholics who have not been confirmed in RCIA. It’s the default way of teaching adults about the faith.

Keep in mind that RCIA is more than simply learning facts. It’s a time of inner conversion, of starting to think and act like a Catholic. It’s also a time to become part of a parish community.

In our last RCIA session I said something about the changes I see in people as they go through the process. One woman asked if I saw changes in her and both the other catechist and I immediately said “Yes!” It’s not so much what she’s learning, though there is a little of that. It’s what she is BECOMING.

That reminds me, the pastor didn’t respond to my request for a date to schedule her sacraments. She’s ready!
 
Your impatience ‘blinds’ you, somewhat.

You don’t get to Heaven by hammering on its door or breaking down the Pearly Gates! What God has revealed THROUGH Scriptures and taught through The Church is that you accept Him and His WILL because as long as your heart beats, you will find the race is long!; the road treacherous and the enemy constantly at hand!

God’s time, is not at your beckoning.

If you cannot endure patience, you may falter at temptation.

You’re not even settled on becoming Catholic, or whether This Is The Church established by Christ. If you were, you would ‘see’ what HUMILITY is and any period of ‘waiting’ or being ‘tested’, however long or short, is NOTHING to becoming a member of His Church.

If you do not seek humility, you’ll become as ARGUMENTITIVE as a protestant within the ‘hallowed halls’ of Catholicism.
 
Not that I don’t believe you, but could you maybe post the specific writings you’re referring to…or perhaps tell me where I might be able to read them online? Maybe I have too much Protestant ingrained in me. I didn’t realize there was such a waiting period even in the first century. What happened if you died before you could be confirmed and take your first communion?
This is a very valid question and you are very right to ask it. In danger of death - one can receive all Sacraments of Initiation including first Eucharist and Confirmation.

I have a few friends that lived through that danger when they were born and give that credit to the Graces of those Sacraments.

The interesting part then becomes trying to teach someone after the fact to live in a manner befitting the responsibilities bestowed with those Graces. Granted you are not a newborn infant so it is a less of an issue but can still be difficult if there is not a comprehensive understanding of what those responsibilities are. I told you about my husand earlier that was confirmed in private. He has left me and I will be seeking anullment. He did not have all of those waiting periods, etc. So I guess you could say that he has been example along with some other things I am not going to derail this thread on that he has had a tough time living the responsibilities that came with those Graces.

God bless you for coming back and I do apologize if I was rough before.
 
Thank you for your responses.

Forgive me if I’ve been offensive in some way. I’m just trying to understand some things.

Since I’m feeling a bit chastised right now, I think it’s probably best if I just stay out of the way and not post any further comments. It seems I can’t say anything without it being thrown back into my lap against me, or pointing out the errors of my thinking. I didn’t think I was trying to indicate God’s time was at my beckoning. The Bible indicates NOW is the day of salvation. There seems to be a theme in Scripture about coming to the Lord now…not delaying. I didn’t think I was being impatient. Anxious, perhaps, because I just want to be part of the Lord’s true church. I didn’t think that was something that would displease Him.
 
Thank you for your responses.

Forgive me if I’ve been offensive in some way. I’m just trying to understand some things.

Since I’m feeling a bit chastised right now, I think it’s probably best if I just stay out of the way and not post any further comments. It seems I can’t say anything without it being thrown back into my lap against me, or pointing out the errors of my thinking. I didn’t think I was trying to indicate God’s time was at my beckoning. The Bible indicates NOW is the day of salvation. There seems to be a theme in Scripture about coming to the Lord now…not delaying. I didn’t think I was being impatient. Anxious, perhaps, because I just want to be part of the Lord’s true church. I didn’t think that was something that would displease Him.
I apologize again- there is nothing wrong with being (name removed by moderator)atient - we should all want to be in communion with the Saints. Let me use the profession I am going through as an example. I want nothing more right now then to be a Secular Franciscan. I feel completely ready. It is the bright spot in my life that has gone so tragically bad right now. 😦 However, I have to completely trust that the 800 years of wisdom that has come from the many cannonized saints of this order that this is the way to approach this and that in a couple of years I will have that fullness of the Gospel that I am seeking to profess. It is quite the same with the Sacraments of Initiation. Please do not feel chastised. It is tough to read tone on the internet. It is not like speaking to a priest or talking on the phone to a lay minister. Try to read the words for what they are and not the intent behind them and we should probably all try to be more charitable in remembering what the entrance process was like for us.
 
Thank you for your responses.

Forgive me if I’ve been offensive in some way. I’m just trying to understand some things.

Since I’m feeling a bit chastised right now, I think it’s probably best if I just stay out of the way and not post any further comments. It seems I can’t say anything without it being thrown back into my lap against me, or pointing out the errors of my thinking. I didn’t think I was trying to indicate God’s time was at my beckoning. The Bible indicates NOW is the day of salvation. There seems to be a theme in Scripture about coming to the Lord now…not delaying. I didn’t think I was being impatient. Anxious, perhaps, because I just want to be part of the Lord’s true church. I didn’t think that was something that would displease Him.
Don’t feel chastised.😦 I understand that you want to be a part of the Lord’s true church and are anxious about that. How wonderful! There are some people that go through some serious dry spells…what a great gift to have that urging. But please understand that you are not the only one that will have to wait…some seriously good people do to. Case in point…my husband…practicing Protestant since he was a child. Knows an awful lot about the theology of the Church. He would love to receive communion…but he has to wait as well. Doesn’t mean he can’t enjoy Mass or other parts of the Church. He enters RCIA in the fall. Me…I’ve had first communion…but was never confirmed. I long for this sacrament as well but also am looking forward to learning even more about the church. I start in the fall as well. My husband’s sponser…grew up in the Church…went to Catholic High School…has been a faithful, practicing Catholic his whole life. He says he learned more from being his wife’s sponsor in RCIA then he had up to that point. It’s a grace.

Why not start RCIA and see where it leads you? Then you may have a clearer idea of where you should be… It’s not a firm commitment to be Catholic until you reach confirmation day.

In peace,
 
Okay, you’re saying if they feel called to “bypass” RCIA, the church permits that? :confused: … But my understanding after reading most of the responses here was that it was something I had to do. I guess I’m confused.

I said I wasn’t going to become Catholic, and now I seem to be feeling that tug again. So I’m feeling weird. I just wish I could get this whole thing settled inside myself. 😦
Pray and continue to read. As a Baptised Christian (I presume), you are, in some mysterical manner, already part of the Church of Christ. When you feel that the Catholic Church is the fullness of the means for worshiping and praising and knowing about Jesus Christ, you’ll know what to do.

I am saying, as an RCIA Coordinator, that a faithful follower of Christ, who happens to be a Protestant, has an opportunity to “bypass” the long RCIA process. It depends on a number of things: Your particular walk in Christ, your knowledge of Catholicism, and the RCIA Coordinator’s openness to bypassing the process and doing something more suitable to the need of that individual. Naturally, some Coordinators are more open to discerning whether someone may be ready for this. I personally would recommend against it. Why? Because most Protestants have little experience of Liturgy and are unfamiliar with the local Catholic community. RCIA is an opportunity to learn and experience both while being guided into faithfully following Christ as a Catholic. However, I have made exceptions for people I thought were already experiencing the Liturgy - such as a gentleman who was a Lutheran but was going to Mass for years with his Catholic wife and knew people in our community.

So each case depends on a number of issues.
Not that I don’t believe you, but could you maybe post the specific writings you’re referring to…or perhaps tell me where I might be able to read them online? Maybe I have too much Protestant ingrained in me. I didn’t realize there was such a waiting period even in the first century. What happened if you died before you could be confirmed and take your first communion?
Here is the Didache…

earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

If you glance through the first six chapters, you’ll notice a bunch of exhortations on how to be a Christian. Naturally, for the pagan, this would take some time to learn and practice this. Chapter 7 begins:

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.

The “these things” are chapters 1-6, discussion on what sort of practices must stop and what we must now begin to do… These are typical catechetical exhortations that were typically guided by a spiritual mentor when a catechumenate wanted to join the community. Of course, he wasn’t expected to know about all of this, being a pagan, so he was assigned a sponsor who taught him the “two ways”. In time, this sponsor would vouch that the candidate was ready for baptism.

According to the teachings of the Church, a baptized Christian is already being conformed with Christ, buried with Him (Romans 6). However, Christ wants us to continue our growth in Him and to share with Him His entire Life, especially in the Eucharist. Canon Law states that a catechumen who dies is entitled to a Christian burial, for such a person is considered “baptized by desire”. You (presumably) are already baptized, so you are already united to the Church in some manner. This is an ancient teaching that goes back to the 3rd century. Baptism is the door into the Church, but Christ wants you to come in and share with Him.
It’s really not about wanting a “bus ticket” NOW. It’s just that I’m already a Christian…or so I thought, because sometimes I wonder if I’ve ever believed properly…
You are a “real Christian” already by your baptism. As long as you were baptized with water in the name of the Trinity, you have been buried with Christ. But this, as you know, is only the first step on our walks with Christ. Being transformed, sanctified, is an ongoing process, one that is aided by the fullness of Jesus Christ, received in the Church through the sacraments and proper understanding of the Savior. If you are already an active Christian, than wouldn’t you want to learn more about Christ through these Catholic sacraments? Before boarding the barque of Peter, don’t you want to know what you are getting into, the significance of these ‘sacraments’? Come to a better understanding of who Mary is in the eyes of the Church, or what we do during the Liturgy? These things are not necesssarily learned through book reading, but experiencing them. Thus, the time of waiting.
What’s this “discernment” stuff all about? Do you mean if someone wants to become a Christian, it has to first be determined if they are really interested and acceptable or not…?
Many people fall away because they jump in too soon. Discernment helps to ensure that in your heart, you are doing the right thing in God’s eyes. It’s not all about being accepted “to us”, but whether our community is acceptable to you.
Sorry…I’m just depressed and tired of this whole thing. It confuses me. I hope, if anything, you guys will forgive me…and maybe pray for me. I’m not doing so well lately it seems.
You know, we all go through up’s and down’s in our walk. Look at the men described in Hebrews 11 and take heart that God is not subjecting us to the rigors that these men went through. God will provide for us if we don’t turn away from Him. Continue to pray, meditate on the Gospels, perhaps Luke 15 might be helpful.

Regards
 
Their is a big difference in requirements between a Catechumen and a Candidate. In our parish the Bishop allows the Parish Priest to Baptize, and Confirm Catchumen’s but Candidates he reserves that for himself. Consequently he just does not do it. I have been a Candidate for over 2 years and the Bishop just does not come.

I am in the Military and for 13 months I was in RCIA and stationed in Diego Garcia. I then transferred to GTMO and have been here for a year this month. May Parish priest was not allowed to confirm me, so I will end up waiting until I retire from the Military and leave this Diocese.

Once I am home I will get confirmed there. I would like to Alter Serve, but I cannot until I am confirmed. I am allowed to hold a Bible study, which is really nice. The Father allowed me to pick a curriculum and ordered it. We are at Lesson number 2. It is “The Great Adventure, The Bible Time line” what a great series by Jeff Cavins.

I have read and studied numerous encyclicals, the CCC, and have enjoyed every RCIA class I can go to. In fact I will teach RCIA if allowed to do so in the future.

The only sad part is I want to be a lector and I would really like to be able to have the Eucharist. I will just have to wait until I leave the Military Archdiocese as my Bishop is just too busy to confirm me and he won’t delegate this to my Parish Priest. I am close to the end of a 24 year career and it would have been nice to be confirmed here, but I have a friend in near my home that is going to sponsor me into the Knights of Columbus and I will likely have him as my sponsor since the Bishop here can’t do it.

Sometimes you just have to wait. I do worry and hope that he does not do this to Servicemen and women in the fight, as they might not be able to wait. I certainly hope and Pray that he allows their local Priest to confirm them as they have an increased chance of death and in my opinion his personal desire to confirm them should be set aside to ensure their salvation.

God Bless.
 
Their is a big difference in requirements between a Catechumen and a Candidate. In our parish the Bishop allows the Parish Priest to Baptize, and Confirm Catchumen’s but Candidates he reserves that for himself. Consequently he just does not do it. I have been a Candidate for over 2 years and the Bishop just does not come.
Which bishop? The one in Cuba or the one for the military?

That kind of situation shouldn’t be allowed to happen!
 
Their is a big difference in requirements between a Catechumen and a Candidate. In our parish the Bishop allows the Parish Priest to Baptize, and Confirm Catchumen’s but Candidates he reserves that for himself. Consequently he just does not do it. I have been a Candidate for over 2 years and the Bishop just does not come.

I am in the Military and for 13 months I was in RCIA and stationed in Diego Garcia. I then transferred to GTMO and have been here for a year this month. May Parish priest was not allowed to confirm me, so I will end up waiting until I retire from the Military and leave this Diocese.

Once I am home I will get confirmed there. I would like to Alter Serve, but I cannot until I am confirmed. I am allowed to hold a Bible study, which is really nice. The Father allowed me to pick a curriculum and ordered it. We are at Lesson number 2. It is “The Great Adventure, The Bible Time line” what a great series by Jeff Cavins.

I have read and studied numerous encyclicals, the CCC, and have enjoyed every RCIA class I can go to. In fact I will teach RCIA if allowed to do so in the future.

The only sad part is I want to be a lector and I would really like to be able to have the Eucharist. I will just have to wait until I leave the Military Archdiocese as my Bishop is just too busy to confirm me and he won’t delegate this to my Parish Priest. I am close to the end of a 24 year career and it would have been nice to be confirmed here, but I have a friend in near my home that is going to sponsor me into the Knights of Columbus and I will likely have him as my sponsor since the Bishop here can’t do it.

Sometimes you just have to wait. I do worry and hope that he does not do this to Servicemen and women in the fight, as they might not be able to wait. I certainly hope and Pray that he allows their local Priest to confirm them as they have an increased chance of death and in my opinion his personal desire to confirm them should be set aside to ensure their salvation.

God Bless.
Please write a letter to the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of the Armed Forces - he will be better to guide you. In danger of death you may receive confirmation - no matter what.
 
Please write a letter to the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of the Armed Forces - he will be better to guide you. In danger of death you may receive confirmation - no matter what.
I did this morning and he promptly responded and it looks like it is due to my wifes annulment not being completed. I have to wait for that. I am not sure why all the other candidates in my RCIA class were not allowed, only the Catechumen. In the end I worry more about our troops near the firing lines, but have been told by the Archbishop that the local Priest does have the authority so it must be something else.

In any event for me personally I will just have to wait…
 
Which bishop? The one in Cuba or the one for the military?

That kind of situation shouldn’t be allowed to happen!
The Military. I have already written and it looks like it is due to a personal issue for me due to my wifes previous marriage and the annulment process we are going through.

God Bless…
 
I did this morning and he promptly responded and it looks like it is due to my wifes annulment not being completed. I have to wait for that. I am not sure why all the other candidates in my RCIA class were not allowed, only the Catechumen. In the end I worry more about our troops near the firing lines, but have been told by the Archbishop that the local Priest does have the authority so it must be something else.

In any event for me personally I will just have to wait…
Yes, it is because your wife is an invalid marriage- which makes you an invalid on as well - unfortunately. I will add you to my list of prayers. I am sorry that you find yourself in this situation as you did not seem to understand this ahead of time. Due to the fact that your wife’s first marriage has to be presumed valid - until found to be declared null (language sorry everyone) by a tribunal than currently you are in a state where this is an adulterous union leaving you both in the state where neither of you is prepared to receive the Sacrament of Eucharist or Confirmation.

Please work with your parish priest to get this cleared up as quickly as possibly. You may have more luck due to logistics going through the Archdiocese of the Armed Forces.

God bless you.
 
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