Why does it take so long to become Catholic?

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The Military. I have already written and it looks like it is due to a personal issue for me due to my wifes previous marriage and the annulment process we are going through.

God Bless…
Marriage issues complicate things. Hopefully everything will get resolved fairly quickly. I’ve also had people in RCIA who had to wait for declarations of nullity for themselves or their spouses. It’s so hard to wait.
 
I do have huge issues with some of this. I was reading a bulletin for a church by my work. It says something to the effect of “As of August 30, we are closing our list for those who wish to be baptized in the Church in Easter of 2011. If you wish to be placed on the list for 2012, please call so and so.” That type of message is extremely off putting. I do not believe that someone who really wants to become Catholic should have to wait until 2012.

I’m again trying to get into an RCIA program, but I know my husband’s annulment is going to be an issue. Again, it’s a lack of form annulment. That’s very easy and quick to get. However, when we got his baptism certificate from the church in the Philippines it didn’t have anything that said he had his First Communion and Confirmation, which were done in another diocese of that country. Now, he needs to get another updated baptism certificate from a place that doesn’t work as quickly as we do and somehow get proof of First Communion and Confirmation. He tried calling the church where he got them done, but they don’t have him in the system. It’s the same problem I had last year when I was basically kicked out of RCIA. So, I think that the current system has some huge flaws. I’m just praying that we’ll be able to get this proof stuff figured out so that I don’t have to wait yet another year to be “welcomed” into the Church.
 
I do have huge issues with some of this. I was reading a bulletin for a church by my work. It says something to the effect of “As of August 30, we are closing our list for those who wish to be baptized in the Church in Easter of 2011. If you wish to be placed on the list for 2012, please call so and so.” That type of message is extremely off putting. I do not believe that someone who really wants to become Catholic should have to wait until 2012.
That’s not the ideal way of wording things even if their idea is correct. For catechumens – those seeking baptism – the rite calls for a full year of instruction. Someone who will be baptized at the Easter Vigil of 2011 should have gone through the Rite of Acceptance at least a few months ago. An unbaptized person starting Inquiry now should be baptized in 2012 or later.

The situation is different for those already baptized.
I’m again trying to get into an RCIA program, but I know my husband’s annulment is going to be an issue.
Marriage issues are so hard to deal with. I hope you’re able to get the documentation you need and move forward.
 
I do have huge issues with some of this. I was reading a bulletin for a church by my work. It says something to the effect of “As of August 30, we are closing our list for those who wish to be baptized in the Church in Easter of 2011. If you wish to be placed on the list for 2012, please call so and so.” That type of message is extremely off putting. I do not believe that someone who really wants to become Catholic should have to wait until 2012.

I’m again trying to get into an RCIA program, but I know my husband’s annulment is going to be an issue. Again, it’s a lack of form annulment. That’s very easy and quick to get. However, when we got his baptism certificate from the church in the Philippines it didn’t have anything that said he had his First Communion and Confirmation, which were done in another diocese of that country. Now, he needs to get another updated baptism certificate from a place that doesn’t work as quickly as we do and somehow get proof of First Communion and Confirmation. He tried calling the church where he got them done, but they don’t have him in the system. It’s the same problem I had last year when I was basically kicked out of RCIA. So, I think that the current system has some huge flaws. I’m just praying that we’ll be able to get this proof stuff figured out so that I don’t have to wait yet another year to be “welcomed” into the Church.
This is my opinion - but I don’t understand why they wouldn’t at least let you both at least go through the class - if you can’t take Sacraments at the end due to the anullment- what harm does extra faith formation do anyone?
 
Yes, it is because your wife is an invalid marriage- which makes you an invalid on as well - unfortunately. I will add you to my list of prayers. I am sorry that you find yourself in this situation as you did not seem to understand this ahead of time. Due to the fact that your wife’s first marriage has to be presumed valid - until found to be declared null (language sorry everyone) by a tribunal than currently you are in a state where this is an adulterous union leaving you both in the state where neither of you is prepared to receive the Sacrament of Eucharist or Confirmation.

Please work with your parish priest to get this cleared up as quickly as possibly. You may have more luck due to logistics going through the Archdiocese of the Armed Forces.

God bless you.
Father Tony is on it…🙂
 
This is my opinion - but I don’t understand why they wouldn’t at least let you both at least go through the class - if you can’t take Sacraments at the end due to the anullment- what harm does extra faith formation do anyone?
In my last Duty station RCIA was the only Bible study so even though I knew I would not be allowed to be confirmed I still enjoyed it. Right now I am not allowed to be a lector or alter serve, but I am leading “The Great Adventure” Bible series.

Can only do what I can do, but that being said soon I shall retire and go home and work on confirmation there.

See you at Mass…🙂
 
In my last Duty station RCIA was the only Bible study so even though I knew I would not be allowed to be confirmed I still enjoyed it. Right now I am not allowed to be a lector or alter serve, but I am leading “The Great Adventure” Bible series.
They are letting you teach Bible Study? :confused:

I always thought that full initiation and full union with the Church was required, for Catechists.

Best of luck to you! 🙂
 
Okay, you’re saying if they feel called to “bypass” RCIA, the church permits that? :confused:
It does not permit the individual to by-pass the RCIA on his own authority - you can’t walk up to your priest and say, “I have chosen to by-pass the RCiA.”

But if, after the initial interview, the priest discerns that you don’t need RCIA, then he can permit you to enter the Church more quickly, through a means of his choosing, such as private instruction, or an arrangement where you send him an e-mail once a week for so many weeks, on a list of topics that he gives to you, or whatever other arrangement he decides to make for you.

Most people go through RCIA, because most of us are not at the genius level of someone like Scott Hahn - there are occasionally people who can bypass the RCIA, that the priest will work with in a different way, but most of the time, they will send you to RCIA.
Not that I don’t believe you, but could you maybe post the specific writings you’re referring to…or perhaps tell me where I might be able to read them online? Maybe I have too much Protestant ingrained in me. I didn’t realize there was such a waiting period even in the first century. What happened if you died before you could be confirmed and take your first communion?
In the case of the Catechumens of the first century, if they failed to complete their RCIA process (which at that time was between three and seven years, depending on the Diocese) they would receive Baptism of Blood (if they died in the service of Christ) or Baptism of Desire (if they died of an illness or accident) - God will give you whatever you lack, as long as you are doing everything possible for you to do here on the earth.
It’s really not about wanting a “bus ticket” NOW. It’s just that I’m already a Christian…or so I thought, because sometimes I wonder if I’ve ever believed properly. But as a believer since the 1980s, it just seems like I’m already known by the Lord. So I don’t understand the whole deal with having to wait longer before being a “real” Christian in His “real” church. What’s this “discernment” stuff all about? Do you mean if someone wants to become a Christian, it has to first be determined if they are really interested and acceptable or not…?
There are no tests or anything like that. It’s you, discerning for yourself. For example, I had a lady in an RCIA class one time who was only coming because she had to - she was convinced in her own mind that she knew everything and was ready to become a Catholic right this minute if not sooner, but the priest told her to take RCIA, and she was being obedient to him.

Over time, as she studied the teachings of the faith with us, she discovered things she hadn’t known about, such as the requirement of Sunday Mass, the requirement to go to Confession, the laws of fasting, and so on, and at that point she decided that the Church was too “legalistic” (her word) for her tastes, and she decided not to become a Catholic.

Now, what would have happened to this poor lady if she had been allowed to become Catholic at the moment that she said, “I know that I am ready”? She would have made a life choice for something she did not yet know, and taken on obligations that she was unwilling to fulfill - and she wouldn’t have found out about them until after she had made her vows - too late.

The Church actually did her a favour by “making” her wait, because in the end she realized that she was not able to obey the commandments of the Church - and by never having made a vow to do so, she remains in God’s good graces - you cannot be found guilty of breaking a command that was never given to you, after all. 🙂

Maybe some day she will be able to become a Catholic, but when she does, she will have a clear idea of the commitment that she is making - there won’t be anything to catch her off guard.

The purpose of the four periods of discernment in RCIA is so that you can have the time to examine the Church, and see whether you can fulfill what the Church requires of you. It’s not for other people to examine you, or test you, or keep you out. No one will ever do that. On the last day, they will ask you, "Are you ready to take up the life of a Catholic?’ and it will be your answer - “Yes, I am,” or “No, I am not,” that will determine whether you receive the Sacraments that night. No one else will speak for you, or judge you - you will only judge yourself.
 
It does not permit the individual to by-pass the RCIA on his own authority - you can’t walk up to your priest and say, “I have chosen to by-pass the RCiA.”

But if, after the initial interview, the priest discerns that you don’t need RCIA, then he can permit you to enter the Church more quickly, through a means of his choosing, such as private instruction, or an arrangement where you send him an e-mail once a week for so many weeks, on a list of topics that he gives to you, or whatever other arrangement he decides to make for you.

Most people go through RCIA, because most of us are not at the genius level of someone like Scott Hahn - there are occasionally people who can bypass the RCIA, that the priest will work with in a different way, but most of the time, they will send you to RCIA.

In the case of the Catechumens of the first century, if they failed to complete their RCIA process (which at that time was between three and seven years, depending on the Diocese) they would receive Baptism of Blood (if they died in the service of Christ) or Baptism of Desire (if they died of an illness or accident) - God will give you whatever you lack, as long as you are doing everything possible for you to do here on the earth.

There are no tests or anything like that. It’s you, discerning for yourself. For example, I had a lady in an RCIA class one time who was only coming because she had to - she was convinced in her own mind that she knew everything and was ready to become a Catholic right this minute if not sooner, but the priest told her to take RCIA, and she was being obedient to him.

Over time, as she studied the teachings of the faith with us, she discovered things she hadn’t known about, such as the requirement of Sunday Mass, the requirement to go to Confession, the laws of fasting, and so on, and at that point she decided that the Church was too “legalistic” (her word) for her tastes, and she decided not to become a Catholic.

Now, what would have happened to this poor lady if she had been allowed to become Catholic at the moment that she said, “I know that I am ready”? She would have made a life choice for something she did not yet know, and taken on obligations that she was unwilling to fulfill - and she wouldn’t have found out about them until after she had made her vows - too late.

The Church actually did her a favour by “making” her wait, because in the end she realized that she was not able to obey the commandments of the Church - and by never having made a vow to do so, she remains in God’s good graces - you cannot be found guilty of breaking a command that was never given to you, after all. 🙂

Maybe some day she will be able to become a Catholic, but when she does, she will have a clear idea of the commitment that she is making - there won’t be anything to catch her off guard.

The purpose of the four periods of discernment in RCIA is so that you can have the time to examine the Church, and see whether you can fulfill what the Church requires of you. It’s not for other people to examine you, or test you, or keep you out. No one will ever do that. On the last day, they will ask you, "Are you ready to take up the life of a Catholic?’ and it will be your answer - “Yes, I am,” or “No, I am not,” that will determine whether you receive the Sacraments that night. No one else will speak for you, or judge you - you will only judge yourself.
Well said - I go back to the case of my soon to be xh. He was confirmed in private with the permission of the Bishop. However, as time went on in our marriage (he was confirmed beforehand) it became readily apparent that his confirmation and conversion were never real. He disagreed with almost everything the Church believed in and did not eve believe in the Sunday mass comittment or the Church’s right to write Canon or the Pope’s right to make Infallible statements from the Seat of Peter. It was ugly. He actually believed he could define how the Holy Spirit talked directly to him. Needless to say there were some psychological issues as well. These all should have been weeded out in an RCIA classroom setting.
 
They are letting you teach Bible Study? :confused:

I always thought that full initiation and full union with the Church was required, for Catechists.

Best of luck to you! 🙂
Well you might be right…althought this is pretty much a plug and play course…Study Guide, Workbook and DVD’s it is an AWESOME course.

We have very few volunteers…it is rather sad actually…started out just joining the group, but through transfers I am the last man standing…I do have a lot of help though, and being separated from my family I have the time to devote to the course.

One of the bright spots in my work filled week…
 
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