Why does one hate the Catholic Church?

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Perhaps I am communicating poorly so let me, again, clarify my position.
  1. I am a firm defender of the faith although I don’t have the history on this forum that many of you clearly possess. I have been around the block a few times and have endured attacks on the Church and my faith even when I was ill prepared to defend Her or myself. I know well the frustrating arguments with those outside the Catholic Church.
  2. Kindness and Charity are a must when discussing AND defending the Catholic Church. 1 Cor 4:8-13 speaks to this IMO although it’s breadth is larger than this situation.
  3. As indicated by elvisman, it is our responsibility to correct and defend. How we do that is important for ourselves and produces results commensurate with our attitude and intent. If we are kind we can expect kindness in return but if we are met with vile intentions then we continue to be kind since we are in Christ and HE was LOVE. Shocking at times even to those familiar with Him, but always patient.
  4. I will continue to challenge those who use a “counter-attack” approach to defending the Church. Love does not manifest itself through anger, hatred or impatience, whether percieved or real. FACTS CAN BE SHARED IN KINDNESS.
May we all become unified in ONE HOLY CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH
**We must take all of Scripture in context. Being charitable doesn’t mean that we should be footstools. This is a common misunderstanding of Scripture. Even Paul and Barnabas shook the dust from their sandals in indignation (Acts 13:51). **

Remember – without justice, there cannot be true love. It means that we must be wise with our charity – as well as our indignation, which go hand-in-hand:

Eph. 4:25-27
Therefore, putting away falsehood, speak the truth, each one to his neighbor, for we are members one of another. **
Be angry but do not sin
; do not let the sun set on your anger, and do not leave room for the devil. **

Proverbs 26:4-5
*Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him. **
Answer a fool as his folly deserves (expose him)*,

That he not be wise in his own eyes.

Mark 6:11
**Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave there and shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them." **
 
I would not “clarify” it, Kenofken:
a) what you said is already clear enough;
b) Elvisman wants you to say something specific that he can attack you for.
And that is PRECISELY the lack of charity and unwarranted attack I was speaking of.
Thank you for proving me right. 👍

There was nothing "clear" about what Keofken charged - but I am willing to have a charitable discussion with him about it.
 
I know I am one of those you speak of because you can’t seem to discern defending the truth from lashing out irrationally. Ergo, the very same charges that you make against me and others can be said about* you*.

**You think *you’re ***being attacked at every turn by my words and those of others because you are put in your place when you attack the Church. You haven’t come here to have charitable dialogue but to assault with extreme prejudice.
Actually, I have not come here to assault the Catholic Church.

I have no interest in it. However, as a non-Catholic, I do not agree with what it teaches, and I do not agree with everything that happens within it.

If you notice, this part of the board is open to those people who are not Catholic. It exists to discuss the religious differences between Catholicism, non-Catholic forms of Christianity, and non-Christian religious systems.

The moderators ban anyone who attacks the Catholic Church unreasonably. I have seen that done here in my time here, and I was glad to see that person banned.

If the site authorities have seen fit to provide a place where non-Catholics can discuss their views, obviously they do not believe disagreeing with Catholicism or what happens in the Catholic Church is necessarily attacking it. However, you clearly claim so.
I have the highest regard for the Church… Actually, you clearly do not. If you did, you would think its teachings merit being followed.
Here is the official teaching of Catholicism on dealing with non-Catholic Christians: The Decree on Ecumenicism came from Vatican II, and in chapter 2 section 11 it urges that Catholics “searching together with separated brethren into the divine mysteries, should act with love for truth, with charity, and with humility.”*
Anytime someone says anything you do not like about Catholicism, you immediately smear that person as hating something about the Catholic Church, whether it be the organization or its people. It does not matter if your claim is not true: it is in retaliation for saying something you do not like.
The Catholic Church’s official teachings are clear on this subject. You disregard them on this subject. You do not think its teachings merit being followed on this subject.
Far from being a defender of the Catholic Church, you are detractor of it. You show me that you think its teachings not only do not merit following, but merit openly defying. However, I do not blame the Catholic Church for you: you like flaming people, and you just use your religion as an excuse to do it.
The greatest testament to the Catholic Church is the myriads of its Christians who go about their daily lives serving the Lord, doing their best to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. They are an immense credit to the Catholic Church and also to the cause of Jesus Christ here on the earth. Because of them – not you – I have a great deal of respect for the Catholic Church, at least what I am familiar with here in the U.S…

*In Abbott, The Documents of Vatican II. New York: Corpus Books, 1966 page 354.
 
Actually, I have not come here to assault the Catholic Church.

I have no interest in it. However, as a non-Catholic, I do not agree with what it teaches, and I do not agree with everything that happens within it.

If you notice, this part of the board is open to those people who are not Catholic. It exists to discuss the religious differences between Catholicism, non-Catholic forms of Christianity, and non-Christian religious systems.

The moderators ban anyone who attacks the Catholic Church unreasonably. I have seen that done here in my time here, and I was glad to see that person banned.

If the site authorities have seen fit to provide a place where non-Catholics can discuss their views, obviously they do not believe disagreeing with Catholicism or what happens in the Catholic Church is necessarily attacking it. However, you clearly do.
Actually, you clearly do not.

Here is the official teaching of Catholicism on dealing with non-Catholic Christians: The Decree on Ecumenicism came from Vatican II, and in chapter 2 section 11 it urges that Catholics “searching together with separated brethren into the divine mysteries, should act with love for truth, with charity, and with humility.”*

Anytime someone says anything you do not like about Catholicism, you immediately smear that person as hating something about the Catholic Church, whether it be the organization or its people. It does not matter if your claim is not true: it is in retaliation for saying something you do not like.

The Catholic Church’s official teachings are clear on this subject. You disregard them on this subject. You do not think its teachings merit being followed on this subject.

Far from being a defender of the Catholic Church, you are detractor of it. You show me that you think its teachings not only do not merit following, but merit openly defying. However, I do not blame the Catholic Church for you: you like flaming people, and you just use your religion as an excuse to do it.

The greatest testament to the Catholic Church is the myriads of its Christians who go about their daily lives serving the Lord, doing their best to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. They are an immense credit to the Catholic Church and also to the cause of Jesus Christ here on the earth. Because of them – not you – I have a great deal of respect for the Catholic Church, at least what I am familiar with here in the U.S…

*In Abbott, The Documents of Vatican II. New York: Corpus Books, 1966 page 354.
Amen:thumbsup:
 
You will be hated by all because of My name,But whoewver does endures to the end will be saved Matt 10-22
 
Actually, I have not come here to assault the Catholic Church.

I have no interest in it. However, as a non-Catholic, I do not agree with what it teaches, and I do not agree with everything that happens within it.

If you notice, this part of the board is open to those people who are not Catholic. It exists to discuss the religious differences between Catholicism, non-Catholic forms of Christianity, and non-Christian religious systems.

The moderators ban anyone who attacks the Catholic Church unreasonably. I have seen that done here in my time here, and I was glad to see that person banned.

If the site authorities have seen fit to provide a place where non-Catholics can discuss their views, obviously they do not believe disagreeing with Catholicism or what happens in the Catholic Church is necessarily attacking it. However, you clearly claim so.
Actually, you clearly do not. If you did, you would think its teachings merit being followed.

Here is the official teaching of Catholicism on dealing with non-Catholic Christians: The Decree on Ecumenicism came from Vatican II, and in chapter 2 section 11 it urges that Catholics “searching together with separated brethren into the divine mysteries, should act with love for truth, with charity, and with humility.”*

Anytime someone says anything you do not like about Catholicism, you immediately smear that person as hating something about the Catholic Church, whether it be the organization or its people. It does not matter if your claim is not true: it is in retaliation for saying something you do not like.

The Catholic Church’s official teachings are clear on this subject. You disregard them on this subject. You do not think its teachings merit being followed on this subject.

Far from being a defender of the Catholic Church, you are detractor of it. You show me that you think its teachings not only do not merit following, but merit openly defying. However, I do not blame the Catholic Church for you: you like flaming people, and you just use your religion as an excuse to do it.

The greatest testament to the Catholic Church is the myriads of its Christians who go about their daily lives serving the Lord, doing their best to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. They are an immense credit to the Catholic Church and also to the cause of Jesus Christ here on the earth. Because of them – not you – I have a great deal of respect for the Catholic Church, at least what I am familiar with here in the U.S…

*In Abbott, The Documents of Vatican II. New York: Corpus Books, 1966 page 354.
Well, all I can say is that you are not being honest, your sanctimonious comments notwithstanding.

YOUR Post #64
In the current practice of the RC Church, every effort is made to keep these offenses hidden and the pervert protected from justice. Law enforcement is not cooperated with. The resources of the RC Church will normally be used to keep abuse from being found out.”

This is patently false. The Virtus Program in the Catholic Church for the education and prevention of inappropriate behavior is CLEAR evidence that the “current practice of the RC Church” - as you put** - it is woefully false. We are ALL told to look out for and report any inappropriate behavior when it is suspected.**

Your false charges convey a prejudice against the Church, which you deny.

Your misunderstanding of Ecumenical documents from Vatican II do not nullify the Scriptures I provided (Acts 13:51, **Eph. 4:25-27, Proverbs 26:4-5) - they advise us to proceed with caution. **

**I have propceeded with caution and have admonished people like yourself when you make false accusations against the Body of Christ.
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So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."
Elvis, I can not judge who Christ will spit out.

But I do wonder what lukewarm means.

For example perhaps to express our faith in Christ with love and not be lukewarm we should be peacemakers. Blessed are the peacemakers He taught in Matt 5 from the Mount.

Or if we can, strive to serve the poor, the homeless, the sick, the naked, and the prisoner? In Matt 25 He taught these as other examples of righteous faith so when we say Lord, Lord, He will know us.

Love one another. The Golden Rule. Do not judge. These are all things of Christ.

Peace be with you.
 
Well, all I can say is that you are not being honest, your sanctimonious comments notwithstanding.

I have
propceeded with caution and have admonished people like yourself when you make false accusations against the Body of Christ.
Wow…you need to take some Advil and stop making it so personal. “Caution” is not the word I would choose for what you are doing. Just relax; Jesus knows our weakness and error, and we may be confident in His ability to deal with it all. 👍
 
From personal experience this is why some people hate the Catholic Church:

-Catholics worship: Mary, saints, the Pope, statues, pictures
-Catholics think Mary is a goddess
-Catholics eat Jesus, thus they are cannibals
-Catholics are oppressive and controlling, always telling people what to do and not letting themselves have their own conscience; “You can’t use birth control!” “You can’t engage in homosexual acts!” “You can’t get an abortion!” “You have to confess your sins to a priest!”
-Speaking of confession, Catholics trust a man to forgive sins! Catholics think priests have special powers only God has!
-Two words: Hail Mary
-Infant baptism, the baby can’t consent to that…but, but…baptism is only symbolic…yeah but…what’s the point if they can’t consent? What is the point indeed
-The Pope is perfect, infallible on everything, etc.
-Pedophile priests

All false, of course, but that is the perception many Protestants and non-Christians have of the Catholic Church. Why? People like Jack Chick, the media, the grapevine, false teachers, misunderstandings, ignorance, etc.
 
Wow…you need to take some Advil and stop making it so personal. “Caution” is not the word I would choose for what you are doing. Just relax; Jesus knows our weakness and error, and we may be confident in His ability to deal with it all. 👍
:amen:
 
From personal experience this is why some people hate the Catholic Church:

-Catholics worship: Mary, saints, the Pope, statues, pictures
-Catholics think Mary is a goddess
-Catholics eat Jesus, thus they are cannibals
-Catholics are oppressive and controlling, always telling people what to do and not letting themselves have their own conscience; “You can’t use birth control!” “You can’t engage in homosexual acts!” “You can’t get an abortion!” “You have to confess your sins to a priest!”
-Speaking of confession, Catholics trust a man to forgive sins! Catholics think priests have special powers only God has!
-Two words: Hail Mary
-Infant baptism, the baby can’t consent to that…but, but…baptism is only symbolic…yeah but…what’s the point if they can’t consent? What is the point indeed
-The Pope is perfect, infallible on everything, etc.
-Pedophile priests

All false, of course, but that is the perception many Protestants and non-Christians have of the Catholic Church. Why? People like Jack Chick, the media, the grapevine, false teachers, misunderstandings, ignorance, etc.
Once again; you attach the word “hatred” to simple disagreements or, in your view “ignorance and misunderstanding.” Either or; calling it “hatred” just doesn’t fit, and puts you in the same category as Mr Chick.
 
From personal experience this is why some people hate the Catholic Church:

-Catholics worship: Mary, saints, the Pope, statues, pictures
-Catholics think Mary is a goddess
-Catholics eat Jesus, thus they are cannibals
-Catholics are oppressive and controlling, always telling people what to do and not letting themselves have their own conscience; “You can’t use birth control!” “You can’t engage in homosexual acts!” “You can’t get an abortion!” “You have to confess your sins to a priest!”
-Speaking of confession, Catholics trust a man to forgive sins! Catholics think priests have special powers only God has!
-Two words: Hail Mary
-Infant baptism, the baby can’t consent to that…but, but…baptism is only symbolic…yeah but…what’s the point if they can’t consent? What is the point indeed
-The Pope is perfect, infallible on everything, etc.
-Pedophile priests

All false, of course, but that is the perception many Protestants and non-Christians have of the Catholic Church. Why? People like Jack Chick, the media, the grapevine, false teachers, misunderstandings, ignorance, etc.
Yes Mariah, but when I explain about honoring and remembering Mary, not worshiping statues or explain how an indulgence does not save but lessens the purgatorial punishment of sin aleady forgiven as the Catholic Church teaches, I am still accused of hate. 🤷
 
Hates a strong word, but some reasons why people dislike the Catholic Church;

Belief in the supernatural, belief in a supernatural God, Bible is the Catholic HOly book, monopolization of salvation, priestly abuse, allegations of Church cover ups in relation to abuse, historical societal domination, political influence from the Vatican, only men can be priests, Catholic guilt, control from the ’ cradle to the grave’, stance on artificial birth control…
 
Wow…you need to take some Advil and stop making it so personal. “Caution” is not the word I would choose for what you are doing. Just relax; Jesus knows our weakness and error, and we may be confident in His ability to deal with it all. 👍
Huh??
Nobody’s taking anything personally - at least not I’m not.

It’s really interesting though, how anti-Catholics can say what they want against the Church - but when we reply in a manner that is not befitting a doormat - they accuse us of being angry or judgemental.

**I never get angry on this forum because I can only be angry with people I know - and I don’t know you or any of the other anti-Catholics I deal with here.

So if you can’t add something of substance to the conversation - allow us to converse.
 
Once again; you attach the word “hatred” to simple disagreements or, in your view “ignorance and misunderstanding.” Either or; calling it “hatred” just doesn’t fit, and puts you in the same category as Mr Chick.
WRONG.
**It IS hatred and prejudice because the most of the things mariahloves listed are lies. **
**If I lied about your Church and misrepresented your beliefs, it would - and should bother you. **I don’t do that, however, because I do my homework about other denominations before opening my mout.

In short - I don’t come as ill-prepared to a discussion and many of you do. 👍
 
A few observations
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1. **Those who most hate Catholicism are not Protestants **(though a few do), but those who are against all religion. They are especially opposed to traditional Catholicism and Protestant fundamentalism. They think both of these are like cults that practice mind control, who demand complete conpliance to their teachings, and who would impose their particular practices and views on the larger society if they ever gained control.

2. **Most Protestants disagree with Catholicism without hating Catholicism**. Protestants, of course, are divided into two broad groups. (a) Sola scriptura Protestants - evangelicals - who base everything on the Bible, usually literalists. In some respects they are more like Catholics when it comes to some doctrines and moral emphases - e. g., anti-abortion regardless of circumstances. (b) Liberal Protestants, mostly in mainline denominations, who embrace a 'big tent' concept of religion. In other words, they have a permissive attitude when it comes to doctrine. If you believe in the Virgin Both, fine; if you don't fine, too. If you believe in Adam and Eve or that God made the Red Sea dry for the Israelites to pass through or that Joshua caused the sun to stand still or that Jesus turned the water into wine - fine. But if you have doubts or disbelieve any of these, fine. They also are likely to assume a more laissez-faire attitude toward such issues as abortion, gay marriage, etc.

 3. **The main issues between Protestants and Catholics include these:.**(a) **Authority**. Protestants reject the infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals and have much less hierarchy than Catholicism.
(b) Mary. Protestants respect Mary as the mother of Christ, but they do not venerate her, do not pray to her, and do not necessarily insist that she was a perpetual virgin, nor was she the only human being born without sin (immaculate conception) and assumed into heaven (Assumption).
(c) Worship. Catholic worship centers around the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants differ -Lutherans and Episcopalians are more liturgical, for example - but worship is likely to be less structured, less formal. Protestants believe that Christ is always present, but that he is no more present in the bread and cup at communion as at any other time.
(d)** Confession**. Protestants emphasize confession of sins directly to God, without the priest as a mediator.
(e) 'Good works.’ Catholicism traditionally had a system whereby the faithful could get ‘points’ called indulgences. Protestants put more emphasis on simple faith and do not think that repeating certain prayers (for example) get them closer to heaven.
(f) Saints. Protestants think of the Biblical saints - Matthew, Peter. Paul, etc. - but also teach that all who seek to follow Christ are, in a sense, saints. “When the saints go marching in…” They do not pray to saints and seriously doubts what they views as wild myths repeated about some of the saints, even modern one. Could Padre Pio, for example, actually levitate and bi-locate?
(g)** Democracy**. Generally speaking, Protestant churches are organized in a much more democratic fashion than Catholic churches. Laity usually are in charge.
(h) “**One true church”. **Catholicism teaches that it is the one true church. Protestants who are Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, etc., seldom view themselves as the one true church, Some are very ecumenical. In Canada, for example, Methodists, Congregationalists, and Presbyterian merged to become the United Church of Canada.
**We are called upon to love one another, whatever our faith, color, nation or tongue**. Those who foment bitterness among Christians are not good Christians. Hope you are not in that number, as you make God quite unhappy if you are..
 
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Re: Why does one hate the Catholic Church?
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In my 51 years on this earth, I have never, ever, ever hated/disliked the Catholic Church!

I always admired it and respected it. That’s how I was raised! 👍

**Source provided for this post is me:

Raised Greek Orthodox with many Catholic family members… but… even if we didn’t have ANY Catholic family members, my family and I will never hate/dislike/talk bad about the Catholic Church. **
 
From personal experience this is why some people hate the Catholic Church:

-Catholics worship: Mary, saints, the Pope, statues, pictures
-Catholics think Mary is a goddess
-Catholics eat Jesus, thus they are cannibals
-Catholics are oppressive and controlling, always telling people what to do and not letting themselves have their own conscience; “You can’t use birth control!” “You can’t engage in homosexual acts!” “You can’t get an abortion!” “You have to confess your sins to a priest!”
-Speaking of confession, Catholics trust a man to forgive sins! Catholics think priests have special powers only God has!
-Two words: Hail Mary
-Infant baptism, the baby can’t consent to that…but, but…baptism is only symbolic…yeah but…what’s the point if they can’t consent? What is the point indeed
-The Pope is perfect, infallible on everything, etc.
-Pedophile priests

All false, of course, but that is the perception many Protestants and non-Christians have of the Catholic Church. Why? People like Jack Chick, the media, the grapevine, false teachers, misunderstandings, ignorance, etc.
Thank you for putting your response in a no-nonsense and POLITE manner. I understand you used the word “hate” as it was from the OP not your own word choice.

You list yourself as a “future Catholic”. What was it about the Church that made the difference for you? I have read many stories of conversion so I am very interested. I believe conversion stories offer tremendous help for non-Catholics in overcoming their distaste for the Church.
 
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